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NARUTO 559 SPOILERS ナルトネタバレ第559話

2011 October 9

Naruto 559 Spoilers: The latest chapter end with Muu is preparing for summoning something… so what happens next..? find out story on NARUTO 559 SPOILERS ナルトネタバレ 559 at Mangaspoiler.com. if you would like to discuss the Spoilers or predictions, please leave a comment below.

Naruto 559 Spoiers Pictures

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Naruto 559 Spoiers Summaries

Credits: T
Trans: Geg

詳細はOhanaさんで!!

無が口寄せしたのはなんとマダラだった。

今週大きな事実はこんなもんです。

と言う事は現在のマダラはオビトで確定って事で良いのかな?
だとしたら予想通りだけど、現マダラ=オビトの目的がわからん・・・・
なぜこんなことする必要が??

>>と言う事は現在のマダラはオビトで確定って事で良いのかな?
だとしたら予想通りだけど、現マダラ=オビトの目的がわからん・・・・
なぜこんなことする必要が??

The one Muu summons is Madara.

That’s all he says for now. The rest of the post is speculation on what this means for Tobi/Madara.

Credits: Ohana
Trans: Ghost Of Madara

ざっくり

ムウが口寄せ
口寄せしたのは、うちはマダラ

ムウ マダラで、オオノキの所に行く~

口寄せマダラ「輪廻転生ではないのか…。穢土転生~~~」

って言ってる。
てか口寄せマダラカッケ!

カカシ出て来た!
ネジもキバもヒナタもリーも!
サイも!

キミマロVSチリナル もちょっと

Muu summons

The one who’s summoned is Uchiha Madara

Muu goes with Madara to where Oonoki is~

Edo Madara: “So this isn’t Rinne Tensei….It’s Edo Tensei~”

that’s what he’s saying

Summoned Madara is so cool!

Kakashi is shown!

So are Neji, Kiba, Hinata, and Lee!

Sai too!

and a little Kimimaro VS [KCM] Naruto

Trivia: According to the Naruto databooks: Naruto’s hobbies are pulling pranks and watering plants. Naruto wishes to fight Sasuke Uchiha and the Third Hokage and members of Akatsuki.

[Thanks Rock Lee]

630 Responses to “NARUTO 559 SPOILERS ナルトネタバレ第559話”

  1. Green Hazard - October 15, 2011 at 12:48 am #

    One thing is for sure Tobi is trying to revive Madarra and Madarra knows this. Explanation: Madara’s first words mention how nagato manage to grow…expected to be revived by him. That’s why Tobi is mortified when he sees that he has been revived by that jutsu. Since it would mean that he wouldn’t be able’to revive Madarra as easy now since he will be sealed yet not in the world of the dead. It will also mean that he would have to fight with Madarra. Somehow I feel that Kabuto knows about Maria’s plan to some extent.

    • Green Hazard - October 15, 2011 at 12:50 am #

      Instead of being revived by Nagato…Madarra got revived by Kabuto.

  2. Titus no Exorcist - October 15, 2011 at 2:16 am #

    Ok am I missing something here? Whos Tobi? Wasn’t he just an alias to cover up the masked mans real identity?

    I havent really seen any logical guesses onto who it is, and there really cant be any logical guesses theres no way to figure it out.

    Can’t be shisui, that was my first guess but i realized Itachi couldn’t have mangekyou and his eye if it was shisui

    Can’t be zetsu, zetsu was created after the battle between Madara and Sandaime

    He might possibly actually be Madara only a clone like the former tsuchikage used, that would explain why he wasnt at full strength and why he knew so much and crazy abilities that would make people think he was madara.

    any comments on this?

    • Mr. McDonald - October 15, 2011 at 4:07 am #

      Plz read my theory, mayB I can change Ur mind, And tell me wat U think.
      =D

      • Titus no Exorcist - October 15, 2011 at 4:19 am #

        Ok ill try and find your theory I hope it does prove me wrong you seem to be pretty smart, ive been waiting for some good theories ^^

  3. Chileverde - October 15, 2011 at 2:49 am #

    During the fight between the third hokage and orochimaru, when orochimaru was summoning the edo tensei the third hokage was very careful to not let the third coffin work… Who was it that he thought was more of a threat than the first and second hokage? Also kabuto said that only the user of the technique can stop the summon, how was the third hokage able to stop the third cophin?

    • Mr. McDonald - October 15, 2011 at 3:46 am #

      I already answered this one, plz read sum of my earlier comments on this page.
      =D

      • Titus no Exorcist - October 15, 2011 at 3:53 am #

        Just to answer the question because i know i wouldnt wanna search the 3rd coffin was the 4th hokage

  4. Chileverde - October 15, 2011 at 2:54 am #

    Also when sasuke looked inside naruto and saw the fox, the fox said that sasuke had the eyes and dark chackra like someone who was more sinister than himself, could he have been talking about madara? And would that be proof enoegh to show that some how tobi is madara?( hoping not) or that maybe tobi took madaras eyes when he died fighting the hokage…

    • Mr. McDonald - October 15, 2011 at 3:46 am #

      Thats a good possibility, but I think Konoha would’ve been more cautious about wat went on near Madara’s burial grounds. The Kyubi said that Sasuke’s chakra reminded him a lot of Madara in fact, but we see in the flashback that the Kyubi never referred 2the Tobi as Madara. This could B becuz the Kyubi knew that Tobi wasn’t in fact Madara, but due 2the fact that he was wearing a mask couldn’t discern who Tobi really was.
      =D

  5. highondrugs - October 15, 2011 at 3:18 am #

    Madara was using Nagato to revive himself. For some reason, it was only half done. Thats why Madara was pissed when Nagato died and used his Jutsu to revive the fallen of Konoha instead of saving it for him. Kabuto with edo tensei revived the other half of Madara’s soul. Which is why the first things Madara said was about Nagato. Thats what i think anyway…

  6. shabba - October 15, 2011 at 4:35 am #

    So if Madara knew Nagato could revive him, it goes to show that Madara lived past his fight with the first, straight up to the last war. Explains how he knows about Edo Tensei as well. Any theories on how this happened? And how was he really killed? So far, it looks like Tobi started the story truthfully.

    • Titus no Exorcist - October 15, 2011 at 4:39 am #

      Ya how does he know Nagato, I was gonna bring it up but I forgot. This shits confusing…..

  7. HNASMT - October 15, 2011 at 4:58 am #

    Im kinda sensing Kishi’s mirrored plots in which Madara is like Orochimaru in his mad scientist quest for attaining perfection and immortality. Tobi is more likely immortal if he can use Zetsu to regenerate parts of his body (like after defeating Kanon (is that her name?), but unlike Orochimaru who gets into his victims to attain immortality, Madara stays alive (atleast his clones do) through advanced cloning techniques and allowing implantation of sage powers (rinnegan, hashirama senju parts, izanagi, no fatigue from using sharingan in a different body–etc). Tobi is to Madara as Kabutomaru is to Orochimaru in a sense. This is how I see Kishi’s mirrored themes as usual. Tobi = Uchiha + Madara personality and memories + regenerative body of Hashirama Senju + capacity to use the rinnegan easily that “once belonged to him”. Kabuto almost had Orochimaru take over him but instead he controls Orochimaru’s powers albeit more strongly (Manda V2 snake summon and powerful Edo Tensei).

    As for how Madara died, i think Tobi may have helped kill him to obtain his power which contained the price of being overtaken by Madara–another variation of this theory is that Tobi used to be a good Uchiha…and I got nothing lol.

    • Mr. McDonald - October 15, 2011 at 5:59 am #

      U Got nothing… Wat do U mean U got nothing. U just put up the best theory I’ve seen on here other than my own Kagami Theory and now U tell me U got nothing. U better find sumthing I wanna hear more of this amazing theory.
      =D

  8. Vkpunk - October 15, 2011 at 5:53 am #

    VK prediction 560!
    Muu- kukuk…. Yu have much greater problems now onokai..ehat yu going to do about it?
    Onokai- It cant be true! Yu madara cant be dead! Then who is in the mask potraying as you?
    Edo madara- Mask??he started this war eh and went this far to resurrect me?! (thinking- so that bastard indeed went this far..but not so surprising at all..after all he is m….)
    Naruto- Hey yu! I don’t care who you are! You are going to die right now and ill put an end to everything!
    Gaara- Naruto wait!
    Edo madara- Hmph..
    Naruto makes two shadow clone and charges towards madara creating a rasen shurkien! Madara deviates the attack easily but is attacked from behind by the clone naruto with an rasengan in sage mode!
    Madara obsorbs the attacks just like tobi and finishes the two slones in one move!
    Madara- you remind me of him! To think that you would be a nine tail jinchiruki and charge me so foolishly!
    Naruto- lets see about that! (naruto goes to kyubi mode)
    Gaara- dessert sand storm jutsu! (but nothing happens)
    Madara- I am uchicha madara and you expect me to get disturbed by that? You all are already under my genjutsu.
    Naruto- (looka around shocked)(Thinking- shit am the oly one not affected by genjutsu! Thanks to kyubi to have disturbed my chakra, now I have to think really well)
    Madara- you look surprised! Nothing as changed in all these years! But before I kill yu, tell me who summoned me? And what happened to naguto?
    Naruto- wha?? You bastard you brain washed naguto! He never wanted this! He truly strived for peace and you played him as your puppet! I wont forgive you for this!
    Madara- (thinking- so naguto is dead! That means rinnegan must be with tobe by no.w.but that can wait I first have to find who resurrrected me)
    Kabuto- shit! I cant let him find me! Have to control over him quickely before he gets his full power! Cant have another itachi scenario here! Oh no! I need a few minutes before I get control over him! Have to get the kyubi fast before kabuto gets here!
    Naruto- (charges un kyubi mode with the speed of yellow flash)
    Madara- an orange flash..
    Sudenly naruto is in front of madara with an rasengan thriving up to madara’s throat! Next second..woof! madara appears behind naruto with an firerazer jutsu from his hand while naruto is still in air!
    Naruto- (oh no this is bad)
    Naruto is seen fallen down a few metres away! He gets up coughing blood and his tops worn out bu fire) he is in his normal mode and looking very rugged!
    Madara- time to take out of the nine ta.. what?? (naruto sueednly disappears using reverse summoning)
    Madara- (looks in anger) now have to find my source! (he turns backs and walks)
    In the headquarters all are shocked and naruto is treated bu tsunade! Grandpa frog is seen nearby
    Raikage- this cant be good! We have to do something quick!
    Tsunade- first have to heal naruto! He worn out himself before he fought the edo madara! To think this would happen! Are we having two madar’s here? We have to change our plans! Withdraw the troops we have no other option!
    Tobi and his former jinchuriki’s are seen in an forest!suddenly ztsu crops from the near by tree.
    Tobe- what is it?
    Zetsu- madara has been resurrected!
    Tobi- what??? That bastard kabuto! I have to kill kabuto first! He betrayed me! With madara sumoned it gets tricky now!
    Zetsu- what are we supposed to do? Afterall you owe him..
    Tobi- owe him?? This all belongs to me! I worked hard for this! My moon-eye plan will work! Listen you tell all our zetsu’s to go backinto the hide out! Withdraw from all battle fields and you lead this jinchuriki’s to the headquarters!
    Zetsu- done…(thinking- to think kabuto would resurrect him! He has gone to far) and what are you going to do? Face madara?
    Tobi- not in my present state! Ill go and finish kabuto and gain control of edo madara! Then this war will be mine! We cant let the truth be spilt out!
    Suddenly in the battlefield all comes to senses out of getjutsu!
    Gaara- what is going on?…
    Onokoi- looks like only muu is left! Wha…!
    But next second muu is seen going to crumbles and withers away
    Madara stops in is tracks and is seen furious!
    Madara into distant sky- so your dare control me?
    Kabuto- good I had to destroy muu o have full control over madara! Now to summon him against tobi!summoning jutsu..
    THAT can wait! Your time as come!
    Itachi- you creep yu hav crawled to far to summon the deads.. you going to suffer a horrible death! (activated is EMS)
    Kabuto- wait! Lets keep that to later! Beeing an uchiha how would you like to see to uchiha battle it out?
    Itachi- wha… if anything happens to saskue you ar…!
    Kabuto- No not him!! It’s a battle for heirs!!
    Tobi is suddenly stopped in the tracks!sees a summoning ahaed of him!
    Madara- so you have got the rinnegan after all! Ahy this much time in summoning me?
    Tobi- You still had time.. your time still din..!
    Madara- So you betrayed me! I knew never to trust you even in my death bed I could sense your plans!
    Tobi- I have no other option! (activates his EMS)
    Madara- (activates his EMS) Time to take my rinnegan back…izuna! Or must I say my former self! To think that taking your eyes would lead to your soul captured in my body!! The curse of Brothers os uchiha!
    End!

  9. Vkpunk - October 15, 2011 at 7:09 am #

    VK prediction 560-563
    THE CURSE OF UCHIHA
    Muu- kukuk…. Yu have much greater problems now onokai..ehat yu going to do about it?
    Onokai- It cant be true! Yu madara cant be dead! Then who is in the mask potraying as you?
    Edo madara- Mask??he started this war eh and went this far to resurrect me?! (thinking- so that bastard indeed went this far..but not so surprising at all..after all he is m….)
    Naruto- Hey yu! I don’t care who you are! You are going to die right now and ill put an end to everything!
    Gaara- Naruto wait!
    Edo madara- Hmph..
    Naruto makes two shadow clone and charges towards madara creating a rasen shurkien! Madara deviates the attack easily but is attacked from behind by the clone naruto with an rasengan in sage mode!
    Madara obsorbs the attacks just like tobi and finishes the two slones in one move!
    Madara- you remind me of him! To think that you would be a nine tail jinchiruki and charge me so foolishly!
    Naruto- lets see about that! (naruto goes to kyubi mode)
    Gaara- dessert sand storm jutsu! (but nothing happens)
    Madara- I am uchicha madara and you expect me to get disturbed by that? You all are already under my genjutsu.
    Naruto- (looka around shocked)(Thinking- shit am the oly one not affected by genjutsu! Thanks to kyubi to have disturbed my chakra, now I have to think really well)
    Madara- you look surprised! Nothing as changed in all these years! But before I kill yu, tell me who summoned me? And what happened to naguto?
    Naruto- wha?? You bastard you brain washed naguto! He never wanted this! He truly strived for peace and you played him as your puppet! I wont forgive you for this!
    Madara- (thinking- so naguto is dead! That means rinnegan must be with tobe by no.w.but that can wait I first have to find who resurrrected me)
    Kabuto- shit! I cant let him find me! Have to control over him quickely before he gets his full power! Cant have another itachi scenario here! Oh no! I need a few minutes before I get control over him! Have to get the kyubi fast before kabuto gets here!
    Naruto- (charges un kyubi mode with the speed of yellow flash)
    Madara- an orange flash..
    Sudenly naruto is in front of madara with an rasengan thriving up to madara’s throat! Next second..woof! madara appears behind naruto with an firerazer jutsu from his hand while naruto is still in air!
    Naruto- (oh no this is bad)
    Naruto is seen fallen down a few metres away! He gets up coughing blood and his tops worn out bu fire) he is in his normal mode and looking very rugged!
    Madara- time to take out of the nine ta.. what?? (naruto sueednly disappears using reverse summoning)
    Madara- (looks in anger) now have to find my source! (he turns backs and walks)
    In the headquarters all are shocked and naruto is treated bu tsunade! Grandpa frog is seen nearby
    Raikage- this cant be good! We have to do something quick!
    Tsunade- first have to heal naruto! He worn out himself before he fought the edo madara! To think this would happen! Are we having two madar’s here? We have to change our plans! Withdraw the troops we have no other option!
    Tobi and his former jinchuriki’s are seen in an forest!suddenly ztsu crops from the near by tree.
    Tobe- what is it?
    Zetsu- madara has been resurrected!
    Tobi- what??? That bastard kabuto! I have to kill kabuto first! He betrayed me! With madara sumoned it gets tricky now!
    Zetsu- what are we supposed to do? Afterall you owe him..
    Tobi- owe him?? This all belongs to me! I worked hard for this! My moon-eye plan will work! Listen you tell all our zetsu’s to go backinto the hide out! Withdraw from all battle fields and you lead this jinchuriki’s to the headquarters!
    Zetsu- done…(thinking- to think kabuto would resurrect him! He has gone to far) and what are you going to do? Face madara?
    Tobi- not in my present state! Ill go and finish kabuto and gain control of edo madara! Then this war will be mine! We cant let the truth be spilt out!
    Suddenly in the battlefield all comes to senses out of getjutsu!
    Gaara- what is going on?…
    Onokoi- looks like only muu is left! Wha…!
    But next second muu is seen going to crumbles and withers away
    Madara stops in is tracks and is seen furious!
    Madara into distant sky- so your dare control me?
    Kabuto- good I had to destroy muu o have full control over madara! Now to summon him against tobi!summoning jutsu..
    THAT can wait! Your time as come!
    Itachi- you creep yu hav crawled to far to summon the deads.. you going to suffer a horrible death! (activated is EMS)
    Kabuto- wait! Lets keep that to later! Beeing an uchiha how would you like to see to uchiha battle it out?
    Itachi- wha… if anything happens to saskue you ar…!
    Kabuto- No not him!! It’s a battle for heirs!!
    Tobi is suddenly stopped in the tracks!sees a summoning ahaed of him!
    Madara- so you have got the rinnegan after all! Ahy this much time in summoning me?
    Tobi- You still had time.. your time still din..!
    Madara- So you betrayed me! I knew never to trust you even in my death bed I could sense your plans!
    Tobi- I have no other option!
    Madara- Time to take my rinnegan back…izuna! Or must I say my former self! To think that taking your eyes would lead to your soul captured in my body!! The curse of Brothers of uchiha!
    Tobi- Last time I gave up soul for you! But I always stayed inside you while you took lead! I was considerably weakened after your battle with hashirama! Last time you suppressed me ! but this time we cant coming and take lead!
    Madara- I never thought having your soul trapped inside me would lead to captur my vessel! Having rinnegan will allow you gain full power of my body! I should have killed you when I took your eyes! Instead I left you be! Well it was all good! Or else I would hav died and not be able to come back!
    Tobi- ya! But now we have chance unlike before to combine and let us both have full potential! The truth behind uchiha which no one else knows! With the rinnegan and senju tissues we can be the next SO6P! but this time together as immortals! (thinking- blood kabuto! He must have known! But how??)
    Madara- together or do you mean you taking control while supressing my soul? Eh brother?dont take me as a fool!!
    Tobi- Last time you took control and suppressed me!! Its right that I take my turn now! Whether you like it or not! I will regain the power of this body and supress your soul and be whole again!
    Madara- (thinking- hmm so that’s why you took rinngan from naguto! Good move!) But this ends here!i left you incharge to see my reserruction but you take the eye for your needs! I see! An sharingan and an rinnegan to suppress my soul and take control of both our powers and chakra’s combined! Clever!but you need and EMSeyes! Another set of eyes of brothers to completely take over my soul! And power of tru uchiha!
    Tobi- you too knew it eh??
    Madara- am uchiha madara? You think I whould have missed it? It the final destiny! I tried to find another set of compatable brother’s eyes to gain control over you completely and complete my self! But none were suited! And as I remember that uchiha itachi kid destroyed all uchiha clan! So yu cant have another set of eyes brother! You cant control me!
    Tobi- Maybe..
    Madar- or maybe not! I see!! So yu have another set of brothers eyes eh?
    Tobi- (shit! Am I under genjutsu or what? How did he find out? I have to act smart!) Ya but not yet ready! We cant still be together in one vessel! Immortal vessel! And control the world as brothers!
    Madara- you very well know that cant happen! Having gained another pair of eyes, oly one of us can gain contorl of body!
    Tobi- seeing that you took control last time and lost! Its my turn now!
    Madara- I cant let that be izuna! You are just a shell of myself! You don’t exist! Untill you get that other set of eyes yu can just impersonatemy self in my body! Having zetsu with you, you gain some powers but nothing to destroy me!
    Tobi- listen there is..!!
    Madara- shut up! I died trusting you to resurrect me! Instead you want to take control! That can happen! I will let the world be itself than you taking control of me for eternity!
    Tobi- so it has come to this eh? (activates his EMS)
    Back in kabuto’s hide out
    Itachi- what is the meaning of this? What is this curse of uchiha brothers?
    Kabuto- simple you need two sets of two pair of two brothers eyes!
    Itachi- what do yu mean?
    Kabuto- you don’t get it do you! You uchiha were cursed by the sage!
    Itachi- what?
    Kabuto- madara took izuna’s eyes to gain the eternal MS! But he later realized his powers were not full! Yess he gained eyes powers but physical and body energy were not same! Izuna soul was inside madara when he took his eyes as it was the container of uchiha soul! Lucky for madara he dint kill izuna body! So he needed another set of brother eyes to gain full control over izuna and to gain the power of the first son of sage! True and and complete uchiha power!
    Itachi- Izuna body then?
    Kabuto- if madara had killed izuna then, he would have gained eyes and it powers but would not have gained complete uchiha powers! He learned this latter and always suppressed izuna to have full control! Since then he searched for other brothers but never found any! Unfortunately he was weak while fighting against 1st hokage as izuna was trying and gaining control! Since then he was weak and izuna was taking control! So before he died he set the izuna the task ofrevivng him!
    Itachi- How can it come to this! Dint he know izuna would take control?
    Kabuto- he did! That’s why he came to orochimaru! He promised orochi power but inreturn he expected him to be resurrected when the time come! He never trusted izuna! He planned this far! He knew he had to fight izuna to gain control! But he never accounted for the possibility of having another brother set of eyes! Unfortunately for him, and fortunately for izuna- saskae eyes is the end to this!
    Itachi- how is that possible?
    Kabuto- yu see madara dint even trust orochimaru! He hid izuna true body somewhere to some day gain control of it if ever izuna takes over madar’s body! For this he needed another eye set! Even I don’t know where izuna body is hidden!
    Itachi- I don’t believe this! If what you are saying is true then I must be inside saskae too!!( no it should ne be like this!)
    Kabuto- NO! its because you died! So your soul was never suppressed inside naruto! But by gaining your true body you cold gain control but tobi destroyed your true body so you can never enter this saskue body! Your curse is over! I reserructed yo using your cell only! But this cant be used for you to gain power! For you to gain power of saske yu need to kill him and take control! As still somepart of your soul is there! And you must take madara/tibi eyes to gain immortality! But with you out of equation its oly those two brothers! Izuna n madara!
    Itach(this is not good at all, but I felt something odd)…!
    Kabuto- you see! Now if tobi gets saskue eyes, tobe suppresses madara and gains madara body and gets full contro! And if madara beats izuna, he automatically come back to his own body and need saskue eyes to gain full power! An uchiha brother never dies! They can come back! This is the curse of uchiha!
    Itachi- so saskue is..!
    Kabuto- unfortunately yes! He is going to die one way or the other!
    Itachi- I see! So I get whats in it for you! Yu plan otherwise
    Kabuto- (shit! He found out soon! Genius) kukuku..no use in lying! If I try and take saskue eyes and his body then all I need is tobi’s eyes to gain full uchiha power! And then I take control of saskue body and immortality! Just s my master wished! And with the jubi power even the sage would be nothing in front of me!
    Itachi- yu already know I cant allwo that! First you die then I’ll handle outcome of izuna n madara battle! Ill destroy them! Saskue will be himself !ill end thi curse! (activates his sharingan)
    Kabuto- Unfortunately I hav other plans for you!! Summong jutsu coffin reserruction!
    In the battle field of madara and tobi
    Tobi- I dint want this to happen but you give me no chocie! I was equal to you in everything! This time ill win!
    Madara- (ill have to kill him and get back his true body where I hid it! Luckily no one knows the hidden body!) sorry brother! But this ends now! (activates his EMS)
    End
    Next chapter- the battle of brothers! And itachi vs kabuto!

  10. Mr. McDonald - October 15, 2011 at 7:25 am #

    Hope U all don’t mind but Imma use up a huge portion of this page 2post my complete “KAGAMI UCHIHA = TOBI! Theory”. This is where I disprove other current theories.

    1)
    a)- Madara could’ve used a technique similar 2 Muu’s in order 2save half of his soul, but if that’s the case then how could he hav died. Naturally even if he did a technique lyk this he would’ve been weaker much lyk Muu was and wouldn’t hav regenerated his strength nearly as quickly as sumone under Edo Tensei (But this could’ve been Y he’s a shell of his former self). No, not even this would B plausible, Y would he risk a fight wit the 1st in dat form, would the 1st not notice such a weaker Madara, mayB he did it at the end of the fight, would the 1st not notice that either, how can half of a soul die(it can B sealed but not killed).

    It must B deeper than just that. Besides there has 2B a reason that the Kyubi himself has never identified the masked man as Madara, but then again he has never identified the masked man at all. There must B a reason that none that have seen Tobi’s face ever call him Madara aside from Itachi &the ressurrected Nagato.

    b)- Could Tobi B Shisui, no he had both his eyes taken, witnesses 2his death, and lost his left arm. But these all liken him 2dat of Tobi wit his plethora of sharingans, but he’d B far 2young 2B the masked man we now kno.

    c)- As for Obito, the same rules apply he’d B far 2young, confirmed as deceased, and if he could’ve been helped or saved I think the 4th would’ve done it. How would he hav even grown 2such mastery in such a short time.

    d)- MayB he’s Izuna, no not even that sounds right, Izuna’s death was confirmed in the Third Databook as dying as a blind man on da battlefield.(Y would they send a blind man into battle thou?) MayB this is a red-herring by Kishi himself, naw seems outta character for Kishi 2 lie like dat.

    e)- Could Tobi not just B a Zetsu clone of Madara. Hmm… I don’t think so, Y would he believe that he had injected himself wit the cells of the first 2gain such regenerative abilities if he was in fact just a Zetsu. If Zetsu’s R bad for battle and he really is a shell of his former self, then how could he control the Kyubi and battle Onoki and Minato. Could the Kyubi truly B controlled by such a clone? I doubt it.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-48483-14/naruto/chapter-487.html
    =D

    • Mr. McDonald - October 15, 2011 at 7:30 am #

      In the flashback we see that Kagami’s actually part of the 2nd’s elite squad. Now I actually believe he is a student of the 2nd along wit evryone else in dat elite squad as I think they were all students of the 1st & 2nd HoKage’s(Thou we only kno of the Third and village elders being students of both HoKages). But that doesn’t mean he couldn’t of also been Madara’s apprentice. In fact I think he was assigned 2the squad 2help mend ties between both the Senju and Uchiha.

      Now in that elite squad we see these elite shinobi alongside the 2nd in his last stand against the cloud and the Gold & Silver bros.
      -[Cover of Naruto 481 will show the elite squad members]

      But in there stand against the Kyubi’s attack on Konoha, for sum reason Kagami is missing. (Danzo also appears 2B missing but his whereabouts were most lykly questioned and made more well known due 2his status as Director of Root)
      -[Torifu Akimichi’s wikia page will show a pic of those there for this]

      The flaw in my theory is no matter how reasonable I make Kagami as a potential candidate 4 Tobi, I can’t prove it him, It could’ve easily been any Uchiha who knew Madara and was alive in dat era, Kagami is just the only one who fits the profile.
      ====
      -Now I think Madara was actually able 2keep the fact that Kagami was his own child a secret, passing him off as the child of another Uchiha(The father-son part of this theory helps 2establish the bond of trust needed for both parties). And I believe Kagami had 2 father Nagato in order 2ensure he had the rinnegan and grew lyk he needed him 2.

      I’ve been a believer Kagami was Tobi 4 a very long time now as well, And I’ve posted this theory on here once B4 I think. Now I think that Kagami was mad a student of the 1st & 2nd knowing that he was Madara’s child 2help keep an eye on him, the clan, and mend ties between the clans or it was done under the influence he was another Uchiha’s child, but regardless the goals were the same.

      But Y would he not Rebel U might ask. He couldn’t Rebel, it’d ruin the plan. He had 2grow as much as he could as a Ninja in order 2help his ability 2ensure his father’s plans. He needed 2 stay a loyal citizen of Konoha 2prevent any detection of traitor that they would needd 2crush on any instant.

      -After all Tobirama was the current HoKage who had managed 2B the most powerful HoKage after Hashirama(sum say even surpassing him.) and Tobirama had already shown a HUGE Distrust of the Uchiha, plus both Madara and Kagami knew that Kagami would have to keep loyal 2the village and respectful if their plan was 2work, as Tobirama distrust was the first key in the plan, it forced him 2make Kagami one of his once arch enemies children on his own squad(or either a very strong and prominent member of the Uchiha’s[If Madara had passed off Kagami as a differnt relatives child]).
      =D

      • Mr. McDonald - October 15, 2011 at 7:34 am #

        3)
        My Kagami Theory:

        Madara thought out the possible outcomes of his fight wit the 1st, he realized dat he could die so he formulated a plan, wit his son and student Kagami.

        If Madara were 2indeed lose his fight, Kagami would grow stronger knowing nearly if not all of Madara’s own jutsu and eventually bring Madara bak from the dead himself. But 2do this he’d need the rinnegan, the rinnegan that Kagami would give 2 Nagato.(Madara & Kagami decided 2gether 2name the child Nagato)

        Madara and Kagami knew that the only way 2create a rinnegan was 2mix the blood of both sons of the Rikudo Sennin. In order 2do this Kagami would leave Konoha and eventually bare a child wit one of the Uzimaki’s clans refugee’s. This child would bare the rinnegan and Kagami would use him 2bring Madara bak 2life once more. So Kagami fathered Nagato himself, planned the attack on Nagato that would lead 2Nagato’s mothers death and Nagato’s rinnegan awakening. As Nagato assumed his father had died in the attack Kagami would then start his ventures as Tobi, all the while watching his childs growth.

        As Tobi he would strike Konoha at its weakest, wit the village still shaken by the recent war and 3rd’s retirement, along wit the current Kyubi’s jinchuruki’s pregnacy and ties 2the new HoKage there was no better time 2strike the village and leave it in shambles, all the while knowing of the villages current shinobi were powerful enough and fully capable of defending the village(as he himself was a shinobi of the era), using the attack 2worsen connections between the Senju and Uchiha that resided in the village.
        =D

      • Mr. McDonald - October 15, 2011 at 8:09 am #

        4)
        In time either B4 or during the 3rd Ninja War, Kagami would leave Konoha. This was allowed since Kagami wasn’t a rebel or missing-nin (and thanks 2the kindness of the 3rd), much lyk how Jaraiya and Naruto were allowed 2leave the village and travel. After Kagami did this he of course fathered Nagato and saw that Nagato had indeed grown the rinnegan and would turn out 2B quite powerful. Thus Kagami decided 2turn into Tobi.

        -Tobi would first decide 2find a base of operations in which he could operate and grow ninja mighty enough 2help in his plans, he would first stop in Iwa but be pushed out by Onoki, which is Y he would then turn 2 Kiri. While in Kiri, Tobi would take on the 4th MizuKage and not only win but cast him under his genjutsu. Allowing Tobi 2run Kiri from the shadows.

        -Tobi would then formulate an alternative plan 2ressurrecting Madara just in case. He most likely needed Madara for his great genjutsu skills that could even take complete control of the Kyubi. As not even he could take complete control of it most likely, which he knew when he unleashed the Kyubi 2run wild on Konoha. He would need sumone wit sharingan powers that rivaled that of Madara 2carry out the Moon’s Eye Plan.

        -Tobi would then return 2Konoha, all the while having it monitored. He decided 2present himself 2 Itachi since Itachi held the title that Kagami once had as a spy for the village against his own clan. Kagami thought that he could use Itachi in case his plan 2ressurrect Madara failed (as the boy was a prodigy), and so Tobi decided 2make Itachi his apprentice. However he underestimated Itachi’s love 4 Konoha and once he noticed that Itachi wouldn’t turn on Konoha he set his sights on Sasuke.

        -Tobi would hope that he could first gain a sharingan capable of fulfilling his plans w/o help as well. Thus he had Sasuke take on Danzo, in hopes of recovering Shisui’s eye. Once this failed Tobi decided 2continue his plan 2 take control over Sasuke so that he could use the boy 2carry out his Moon’s Eye Plan and thus create a world that he would rule. To do this Tobi manipulated the child, just as he had done all others.
        =D

      • kakashi - October 15, 2011 at 3:44 pm #

        hmm… i didnt read through the whole thing but it seems quite natural. I think the only real options now are for tobi to either be (1) Madara himself (in one way or another like a clone etc etc…. there are many possibilities) or (2) Kagami (ur theory fits quite nicely) or (3) someone we dont know at all or have almost zero info of.

        The best part about ur Kagami theory I think is that Kagami is the father of Nagato along witht the mother being an Uzumaki. That’s perfect since there is no other known Uchiha with the proper age (Shisui and Obito were definitely too young and idealistic to be the masked man during the Kyuubi attack). I too have had my suspicions about Kagami being the masked man ever since that chapter where we saw Hiruzen become the Third Hokage.

        The only problem is that his exploits or his ultra excellent skills have not even been mentioned. We know practically nothing about him except his probable age.

        That’s why I think it would be cool if Tobi does turn out to be Madara himself. But Kagami wouldn’t be a bad choice as long as there’s a good enough back story making him a powerful enough to be a final villain.

  11. Shashank - October 15, 2011 at 8:53 am #

    Why do i have a feeling that KIshi is gonna pull the theory of HOrocruxes from Harry potter

  12. kakashi - October 15, 2011 at 8:55 am #

    HEY GUYS, KAKASHI’S BACK! :p

    Wow, Mangapoiler’s been down for a long time… I even stopped checking if it went back up.

    Anyway, good time in Naruto for the forum to go back up again I guess.

    So the sixth coffin was Uchiha Madara after all!! So the question of Tobi is still wide open then.. this will surely bring out all the Tobitotards.

    Anyway, I got a theory, based on the following few points

    (1) Edo-Madara (EM from now on) said right after he was summoned “So the Nagato brat grew up”. This not only means that he knew of Nagato, but also expected [i]him to bring Madara back to life[/i]. Because the first conclusion he came to was that he’s been brought back, meaning that Nagato must have grown up. HOw could that be, if he didnt expect to be brought beack by Nagato.

    (2) Tobi was angry after Nagato used the Rinne Tensie jutsu to bring back Konoha and said that he had thought that Nagato would reserve that jutsu for him. Meaning that Tobi already had plans to bring himself back. This suggests to me that EM and Tobi are one and the same person in two different bodies.

    (3) Madara was Edo-summoned so he was definitely dead, but that doesnt mean that [i]something[/i] of him didnt survive. THink about this for a sec: if Itachi had simply killed Orochimaru when he showed up during the fight with Sasuke he would be dead right now, not sealed in that sword. But Orochi’s chakra had already ‘infected’ Kabuto and if Kabuto had failed to regain control over his body, Kabuto might have become a version of Orochimaru himself. Meaning that Orochimaru would be in two bodies at once with one beibng dead and thus could be brought back with Impure World jutsu. Kabuto had difficulty in taking control over his body because Orochi’s chakra was so powerful and persistent. Think how much more powerful Madara’s chakra is, esp. since Kyuubi himself mentioned about it. It could easily have taken over a host body.

    Madara himself could have done a similar thing: if he was heavily injured during the fight with the First, he managed to make a body using both his own and First’s cells – a Zetsu type body. IN this body he implanted all his thoughts memories, chakra and plans etc. making it a clone of himself that could act independently. He subsequently died and the body was called Tobi and couldnt have all the original powers of Madara.

    (4) EM was surprised to learn that he had been called back by the Impure World Resurrection, not by Nagato’s Rinne Tensei.

    • kakashi - October 15, 2011 at 9:03 am #

      Of course rhe three big candidates for Tobi are: Izuna, Kagami and Madara himself.

      Isuna would be easy to work intot he role of Tobi by revealing some sort of Uchiha hostory.

      Kagami would be a little trickier but could be done coz he fits the age bracket.

      But most interesting in my opinion is if Tobi [i]is[/i] Madara himself. That wouldnt make so many of the conversations of the past manga to be rendered silly.

      • Titus no Exorcist - October 15, 2011 at 1:12 pm #

        Welcome back Kakashi!!!

        I think tobi is actually Madara but Mr.McDonald is starting to convince me otherwise, since im less tired I think I should be able to understand him now. You should read some of his theories they are good.

    • itachi - October 15, 2011 at 2:45 pm #

      nice one…i agree with you…tobi is madara…
      madara expected to be revived by nagatos jutsu, not by edo tensei thats why he was enraged when he heard muu…but how did madara get to know nagato? he had been dead long before nagato was born…any interesting theory?

      • kakashi - October 15, 2011 at 3:30 pm #

        thats wat has been tripping me up… either Madara managed to survive until Nagato’s birth (unlikely since Nagato seems to be about the same age as the Fourth) or somehow knew that someone with the Rinnegan would be born with the name Nagato. Since Tobi said that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato, then if you believe him, its possible that it was already planned who will receive the Rinnegan beforehand.

        But am still working out the theories… also inthe pot are theoris with Masked man being Kagami, Izuna hell even Sasuke (Third’s father) or someone form the Uzumaki clan.

      • Nagato is younger than the 4th…

        In the Flash back with Jiraiya when he was a kid that was during the Third Shinobi war and during that time Minato was a Sensei to Kakashi Rin and Obito.

    • alucard - October 15, 2011 at 4:20 pm #

      very very interesting mmn oh maybe madara had the power to split himself like muu which would make even more sense oh man this is so exciting

  13. Sakanade - October 15, 2011 at 2:54 pm #

    I think everything Tobi has said is true.

  14. Sakanade - October 15, 2011 at 4:20 pm #

    Izuna was never as strong as Madara. Madara has a much stronger chakra, stated by himself.

    To tell the truth, no naturo-fan knows who Tobi is. Not even me.

    • Vkpunk - October 15, 2011 at 4:23 pm #

      izuno was equal to madara!! see the manga’s! they qouted that izuna was the only one who matched madara in everything

  15. Vkpunk - October 15, 2011 at 4:34 pm #

    VK prediction 560-563
    THE CURSE OF UCHIHA
    Muu- kukuk…. Yu have much greater problems now onokai..what yu going to do about it?
    Onokai- It cant be true! Yu madara cant be dead! Then who is in the mask potraying as you?
    Edo madara- Mask??he started this war eh and went this far to resurrect me?! (thinking- so that bastard indeed went this far..but not so surprising at all..after all he is m….)
    Naruto- Hey yu! I don’t care who you are! You are going to die right now and ill put an end to everything!
    Gaara- Naruto wait!
    Edo madara- Hmph..
    Naruto makes two shadow clone and charges towards madara creating a rasen shurkien! Madara deviates the attack easily but is attacked from behind by the clone naruto with an rasengan in sage mode!
    Madara obsorbs the attacks just like tobi and finishes the two slones in one move!
    Madara- you remind me of him! To think that you would be a nine tail jinchiruki and charge me so foolishly!
    Naruto- lets see about that! (naruto goes to kyubi mode)
    Gaara- dessert sand storm jutsu! (but nothing happens)
    Madara- I am uchicha madara and you expect me to get disturbed by that? You all are already under my genjutsu.
    Naruto- (looka around shocked)(Thinking- shit am the oly one not affected by genjutsu! Thanks to kyubi to have disturbed my chakra, now I have to think really well)
    Madara- you look surprised! Nothing as changed in all these years! But before I kill yu, tell me who summoned me? And what happened to naguto?
    Naruto- wha?? You bastard you brain washed naguto! He never wanted this! He truly strived for peace and you played him as your puppet! I wont forgive you for this!
    Madara- (thinking- so naguto is dead! That means rinnegan must be with tobe by no.w.but that can wait I first have to find who resurrrected me)
    Kabuto- shit! I cant let him find me! Have to control over him quickely before he gets his full power! Cant have another itachi scenario here! Oh no! I need a few minutes before I get control over him! Have to get the kyubi fast before kabuto gets here!
    Naruto- (charges un kyubi mode with the speed of yellow flash)
    Madara- an orange flash..
    Sudenly naruto is in front of madara with an rasengan thriving up to madara’s throat! Next second..woof! madara appears behind naruto with an firerazer jutsu from his hand while naruto is still in air!
    Naruto- (oh no this is bad)
    Naruto is seen fallen down a few metres away! He gets up coughing blood and his tops worn out bu fire) he is in his normal mode and looking very rugged!
    Madara- time to take out of the nine ta.. what?? (naruto sueednly disappears using reverse summoning)
    Madara- (looks in anger) now have to find my source! (he turns backs and walks)
    In the headquarters all are shocked and naruto is treated bu tsunade! Grandpa frog is seen nearby
    Raikage- this cant be good! We have to do something quick!
    Tsunade- first have to heal naruto! He worn out himself before he fought the edo madara! To think this would happen! Are we having two madar’s here? We have to change our plans! Withdraw the troops we have no other option!
    Tobi and his former jinchuriki’s are seen in an forest!suddenly ztsu crops from the near by tree.
    Tobe- what is it?
    Zetsu- madara has been resurrected!
    Tobi- what??? That bastard kabuto! I have to kill kabuto first! He betrayed me! With madara sumoned it gets tricky now!
    Zetsu- what are we supposed to do? Afterall you owe him..
    Tobi- owe him?? This all belongs to me! I worked hard for this! My moon-eye plan will work! Listen you tell all our zetsu’s to go backinto the hide out! Withdraw from all battle fields and you lead this jinchuriki’s to the headquarters!
    Zetsu- done…(thinking- to think kabuto would resurrect him! He has gone to far) and what are you going to do? Face madara?
    Tobi- not in my present state! Ill go and finish kabuto and gain control of edo madara! Then this war will be mine! We cant let the truth be spilt out!
    Suddenly in the battlefield all comes to senses out of getjutsu!
    Gaara- what is going on?…
    Onokoi- looks like only muu is left! Wha…!
    But next second muu is seen going to crumbles and withers away
    Madara stops in is tracks and is seen furious!
    Madara into distant sky- so your dare control me?
    Kabuto- good I had to destroy muu o have full control over madara! Now to summon him against tobi!summoning jutsu..
    THAT can wait! Your time as come!
    Itachi- you creep yu hav crawled to far to summon the deads.. you going to suffer a horrible death! (activated is EMS)
    Kabuto- wait! Lets keep that to later! Beeing an uchiha how would you like to see to uchiha battle it out?
    Itachi- wha… if anything happens to saskue you ar…!
    Kabuto- No not him!! It’s a battle for heirs!!
    Tobi is suddenly stopped in the tracks!sees a summoning ahaed of him!
    Madara- so you have got the rinnegan after all! Ahy this much time in summoning me?
    Tobi- You still had time.. your time still din..!
    Madara- So you betrayed me! I knew never to trust you even in my death bed I could sense your plans!
    Tobi- I have no other option!
    Madara- Time to take my rinnegan back…izuna! Or must I say my former self! To think that taking your eyes would lead to your soul captured in my body!! The curse of Brothers of uchiha!
    Tobi- Last time I gave up soul for you! But I always stayed inside you while you took lead! I was considerably weakened after your battle with hashirama! Last time you suppressed me ! but this time we cant coming and take lead!
    Madara- I never thought having your soul trapped inside me would lead to captur my vessel! Having rinnegan will allow you gain full power of my body! I should have killed you when I took your eyes! Instead I left you be! Well it was all good! Or else I would hav died and not be able to come back!
    Tobi- ya! But now we have chance unlike before to combine and let us both have full potential! The truth behind uchiha which no one else knows! With the rinnegan and senju tissues we can be the next SO6P! but this time together as immortals! (thinking- blood kabuto! He must have known! But how??)
    Madara- together or do you mean you taking control while supressing my soul? Eh brother?dont take me as a fool!!
    Tobi- Last time you took control and suppressed me!! Its right that I take my turn now! Whether you like it or not! I will regain the power of this body and supress your soul and be whole again!
    Madara- (thinking- hmm so that’s why you took rinngan from naguto! Good move!) But this ends here!i left you incharge to see my reserruction but you take the eye for your needs! I see! An sharingan and an rinnegan to suppress my soul and take control of both our powers and chakra’s combined! Clever!but you need and EMSeyes! Another set of eyes of brothers to completely take over my soul! And power of tru uchiha!
    Tobi- you too knew it eh??
    Madara- am uchiha madara? You think I whould have missed it? It the final destiny! I tried to find another set of compatable brother’s eyes to gain control over you completely and complete my self! But none were suited! And as I remember that uchiha itachi kid destroyed all uchiha clan! So yu cant have another set of eyes brother! You cant control me!
    Tobi- Maybe..
    Madar- or maybe not! I see!! So yu have another set of brothers eyes eh?
    Tobi- (shit! Am I under genjutsu or what? How did he find out? I have to act smart!) Ya but not yet ready! We cant still be together in one vessel! Immortal vessel! And control the world as brothers!
    Madara- you very well know that cant happen! Having gained another pair of eyes, oly one of us can gain contorl of body!
    Tobi- seeing that you took control last time and lost! Its my turn now!
    Madara- I cant let that be izuna! You are just a shell of myself! You don’t exist! Untill you get that other set of eyes yu can just impersonatemy self in my body! Having zetsu with you, you gain some powers but nothing to destroy me!
    Tobi- listen there is..!!
    Madara- shut up! I died trusting you to resurrect me! Instead you want to take control! That can happen! I will let the world be itself than you taking control of me for eternity!
    Tobi- so it has come to this eh? (activates his EMS)
    Back in kabuto’s hide out
    Itachi- what is the meaning of this? What is this curse of uchiha brothers?
    Kabuto- simple you need two sets of two pair of two brothers eyes!
    Itachi- what do yu mean?
    Kabuto- you don’t get it do you! You uchiha were cursed by the sage!
    Itachi- what?
    Kabuto- madara took izuna’s eyes to gain the eternal MS! But he later realized his powers were not full! Yess he gained eyes powers but physical and body energy were not same! Izuna soul was inside madara when he took his eyes as it was the container of uchiha soul! Lucky for madara he dint kill izuna body! So he needed another set of brother eyes to gain full control over izuna and to gain the power of the first son of sage! True and and complete uchiha power!
    Itachi- Izuna body then?
    Kabuto- if madara had killed izuna then, he would have gained eyes and it powers but would not have gained complete uchiha powers! He learned this latter and always suppressed izuna to have full control! Since then he searched for other brothers but never found any! Unfortunately he was weak while fighting against 1st hokage as izuna was trying and gaining control! Since then he was weak and izuna was taking control! So before he died he set the izuna the task ofrevivng him!
    Itachi- How can it come to this! Dint he know izuna would take control?
    Kabuto- he did! That’s why he came to orochimaru! He promised orochi power but inreturn he expected him to be resurrected when the time come! He never trusted izuna! He planned this far! He knew he had to fight izuna to gain control! But he never accounted for the possibility of having another brother set of eyes! Unfortunately for him, and fortunately for izuna- saskae eyes is the end to this!
    Itachi- how is that possible?
    Kabuto- yu see madara dint even trust orochimaru! He hid izuna true body somewhere to some day gain control of it if ever izuna takes over madar’s body! For this he needed another eye set! Even I don’t know where izuna body is hidden!
    Itachi- I don’t believe this! If what you are saying is true then I must be inside saskae too!!( no it should ne be like this!)
    Kabuto- NO! its because you died! So your soul was never suppressed inside naruto! But by gaining your true body you cold gain control but tobi destroyed your true body so you can never enter this saskue body! Your curse is over! I reserructed yo using your cell only! But this cant be used for you to gain power! For you to gain power of saske yu need to kill him and take control! As still somepart of your soul is there! And you must take madara/tibi eyes to gain immortality! But with you out of equation its oly those two brothers! Izuna n madara!
    Itach(this is not good at all, but I felt something odd)…!
    Kabuto- you see! Now if tobi gets saskue eyes, tobe suppresses madara and gains madara body and gets full contro! And if madara beats izuna, he automatically come back to his own body and need saskue eyes to gain full power! An uchiha brother never dies! They can come back! This is the curse of uchiha!
    Itachi- so saskue is..!
    Kabuto- unfortunately yes! He is going to die one way or the other!
    Itachi- I see! So I get whats in it for you! Yu plan otherwise
    Kabuto- (shit! He found out soon! Genius) kukuku..no use in lying! If I try and take saskue eyes and his body then all I need is tobi’s eyes to gain full uchiha power! And then I take control of saskue body and immortality! Just s my master wished! And with the jubi power even the sage would be nothing in front of me!
    Itachi- yu already know I cant allwo that! First you die then I’ll handle outcome of izuna n madara battle! Ill destroy them! Saskue will be himself !ill end thi curse! (activates his sharingan)
    Kabuto- Unfortunately I hav other plans for you!! Summong jutsu coffin reserruction!
    In the battle field of madara and tobi
    Tobi- I dint want this to happen but you give me no chocie! I was equal to you in everything! This time ill win!
    Madara- (ill have to kill him and get back his true body where I hid it! Luckily no one knows the hidden body!) sorry brother! But this ends now! (activates his EMS)
    End
    Next chapter- the battle of brothers! And itachi vs kabuto!

  16. shabba - October 15, 2011 at 5:17 pm #

    Here’s what I know at this point:
    1. Uchiha Madara fought and lost to Hashirama Senju
    2. Madara had contact with the kyuubi here, which is how the latter recognizes the former’s chakra
    3. Madara has knowledge of Rinne Tensei and Edo Tensei
    4. Madara knows that Uzumaki Nagato controls Rinne Tensei
    5. A living kage recognizes Madara by face
    6. Danzo recognized Tobi as Madara
    7. Tobi had contact with the kyuubi after Naruto’s birth
    8. Tobi is of the opinion that Uchiha and Senju are destined to clash, leading to the logical conclusion that Uzumaki Naruto is of both Uzumaki and Senju lineage, and thereby capable of producing a pair of Rinnegan eyes
    9. On the topic of eyes, one sure-fire way of gaining a pair of Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan eyes is for an Uchiha to replace their pair of eyes with those of a blood relative. No telling if this is the only way.
    10. Tobi has displayed limb regeneration abilities
    11. Tobi is against Madara’s return strongly
    I’m gonna revise my theory a bit and come back to this based on these things.

    • Mr. McDonald - October 16, 2011 at 6:54 am #

      well if Ur gonna revise then lets do it right.

      1) Nagato’s name may very well not B Uzimaki. Since most children take their father’s last name, the fact that Nagato was an Uzimaki may hav and prolly.
      2) Of course they recognise him by face, how could they not know Madara’s face, he’s a legend. There’s a mountain/waterfall/valley wit his face on it.
      3) Danzo never saw Tobi’s face.
      4) Tobi doesn’t kno if Naruto can produce a rinnegan nor has he ever shown interest in such belief.
      5) Tobi’s limb regeneration abilities our due to him having the cells of the First(as far as we kno).
      =D

  17. HNASMT - October 15, 2011 at 5:43 pm #

    Hmm I wonder if Madara Uchiha’s powers are going to include the three godly powers (susanoo, amaterasu, and tsukiyomi). Judging from Kakashi’s unique Mangekyou Sharingan, it is possible Madara has unique powers as well that may involve another allegory to Japanese myths. Im guessing his jutsu may involve dragon-like jutsu (or atleast start with a dragon seal). Don’t ask, this is a VERY lengthy explanation for this based on Japanese myths. Perhaps we may also see the so-called Izanami jutsu (yes Izanami not Izanagi) that many hoped to see as well lol.

  18. Long ass comments.

  19. this comment is for mr mcdonald

    the Kyuubi did recognize him as Madara when he took control of him during the leaf…

    http://www.manga2u.com/Naruto/501/08/

    The Kyuubi’s say “you” cause he recognizes Madara’s power …he can sense chakra

    • so as i said before pay more attention lol

    • HNASMT - October 15, 2011 at 9:13 pm #

      Yes, he did recognize Madara’s power. But it clearly seems he hasn’t recognized Tobi. Odd because it seems apparent that he didn’t recognize Tobi unless I am missing some small detail.

      Anyway, remember Tobi vs Minato battle–I remember clearly that Tobi says “oh I don’t know about that”. Almost clearly that indicates that Tobi either a) is referring to himself or b) is referring that Madara definitely survived UP UNTIL THE TIME THE KYUUBI ATTACKED THE VILLAGE. (Makes things a little confusing lol). Something to think about…Madara’s role seems more and more suspicious. Even more suspicious–a man with long hair meets Itachi in the woods (someone gave a link to this earlier–im too lazy to show that lol) with a mask. Seems Tobi and Madara were either a) working together or b) working against each other somehow (DUN DUN DUUUUN–but I doubt it lol). I am beginning to think that maybe Tobi and Madara are two different yet similar people based on this line of reasoning. Madara may have died at some point and was definitely using Nagato as a backup for his revival. He was definitely counting on Tobi to continue his legacy based on this. And Tobi refers to himself as Madara but we all know that he isn’t the original. However, he was definitely counting on Nagato to revive Madara (he says himself, I think–give me a reference if you think otherwise) which indicates that maybe Madara and Tobi are more closer than we thought. Perhaps that is why I believe my theory of Tobi having Madara’s memories and personality is correct. Tobi is a fragment of Madara’s self; an Uchiha literally braiwashed by Madara’s powerful chakra infused into him in an immortal body that can regenerate parts like a Zetsu/Senju who has the Rinnegan and the Sharingan (that once belonged to the original Uchiha who is possessed by Madara).

      For those who don’t like reading too much above: Tobi is some Uchiha (I don’t know who can possibly have the ability to move through objects) controlled by Madara’s personality. Possession Jutsu or something.

      • He’s probably Madara.He could of made a zetsu clone and have it copy his appearence and did something to tranfer his mind into it to live on….

        when Madara fought Foo and Torune (Daznou’s guards) he took off his arm and we saw the white substance that zetsu’s made off come from it.

        So this Madara made from a Zetsu clone could have all the knowledge of history that the original deosn’t have since he died quite some time ago. but when they reconnect then he will know.Hell they could sense each other’s presences and meet up sometime!

        I really wonder what this new Madara’s going to do now…surely he can break from from Kabuto’s control like Itachi did.

      • kakashi - October 15, 2011 at 9:27 pm #

        hah.. ur theory combines mine and Mcdonalds… anyway.. there seem to be two schools of thought in general and both have about 70% speculation/logic and about 20% facts and 10% just some inconsistencies.

        the first is where Tobi is some version of Madara – either a clone (like Muu or a special zetsu body etc) or a Jutsu (maybe named Izanami) where one can live on even if the body dies and thus a lot of the powers are sealed, making Tobi a shell of his former self.

        The second is were Tobi is entirely a diff person (maybe Kagami or some other Uchiha) who knows a lot about Madara the person as well as the Uchiha-Senju history and has some serious skills. Tobi and Madara might have even conspired together to bring about the destruction of Konoha etc. and that partnership maybe much like the present Kabuto-Tobi type where they are working together but dont trust each other OR they [i]do[/i] trust each other and Tobi hoped to bring back Madara.

        I suscribe to the former school of thought, but as i said earlier each has only very little evidence mostly because even though Kishi keeps revealing stuff, he also reveals it in a way so as to make the mysteries only deeper. Thats wat i love abt all the Naruto plot :P

      • as always…nicely said Kakashi!

  20. HNASMT - October 15, 2011 at 11:01 pm #

    mine’s 50% fact and 50% speculation actually.

    • HNASMT - October 15, 2011 at 11:16 pm #

      on another note…hasn’t anyone else laughed like crazy just when you looked at the first page (Madara coming out)of this week’s chapter? I had an odd feeling that an abridged series would have a field day with this someday after it comes out in the anime.

  21. Minato Namikaze - October 15, 2011 at 11:43 pm #

    @Uchiha

    Minato is about the sage of or younger than Nagato

    This a reply to your comment.

    Jiraiya met Nagato in the 2nd Ninja war not in the 3rd

    I can see how you got this confuse because they said this in the anime but it was a mistake. In the manga it was the second shinobi war not the 3rd

    So My point is Nagato is the same age or a bit older than Minato, Not by much though

  22. jonas funch - October 16, 2011 at 12:05 am #

    my top 15 list over the strongest naruto ninjas PLEASE COMMENT ABOUT MY LIST LIST

    1 rikudo sage
    2 the sages sons
    3 tobi
    4 kabuto
    5 naruto and sasuke
    6 the 3 hokage
    7 hashirama
    8 madara
    9 nagato
    10 minato
    11 itachi
    12 jiraiya
    13 danzo
    14 killerbee
    15 a

    • Tipdrill - October 16, 2011 at 12:15 am #

      F- you and your list. I’m fucking tired of there stupid list. Post something good.

    • Tipdrill - October 16, 2011 at 12:17 am #

      I’m sorry.

      • Tipdrill - October 16, 2011 at 12:17 am #

        But dude it is annoying.

  23. Tipdrill - October 16, 2011 at 12:15 am #

    F- you and your list. I’m fucking tired of there stupid list. Post something good.

    • Tipdrill - October 16, 2011 at 12:17 am #

      Again… Sorry.

  24. jonas funch - October 16, 2011 at 12:27 am #

    why is it annoying and why are you saiying fuck to me what have i done to you and why are my list stupid

    • Tipdrill - October 16, 2011 at 1:14 am #

      I flipped I’m sorry. All I could see was red. But I’m just tired of “that list”.

    • Tipdrill - October 16, 2011 at 1:17 am #

      Here’s a video that will make you feel better. Again I apologize.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=650dskq-wHU

  25. jonas funch - October 16, 2011 at 1:20 am #

    its allright i was just trying to talk about a diffrent thing because aim tired about all the same talk about who tobi is