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BLEACH 「ブリーチ ネタバレ」 484 Spoilers

2012 March 5

Bleach 484 Spoilers: The latest chapter end with Ivan uses a strange device and chants an incantation in an attempt to destroy Ichigo’s Bankai. so what happens next..? find out story on BLEACH 484 Spoiler ブリーチ ネタバレ 第484話 at Mangaspoiler.com. if you would like to discuss the Spoilers or predictions, please leave a comment below.

Bleach 484 Spoilers Summaries

Credits: Mangastream

page 1. the masked man repeats his declaration that soul socie1y will be destroyed in five days.

page 2-3. he masked man boast that yamamoto should be able to figure out who they are and turn to leave.

page 4-6. yamamoto calls for them to wait and releases a massive firestorm.

page 7. yamamoto’s attendant wakes up and says he has an important message to explain about the masked men and bankais.

page 8 – 9. ivan furiolisly wonders why ichigo’s bankai won’t disappear.

page 10-11. ivan escapes through a shadow.

page 12-13. a spread of the masked men’s hideout.

page 14. the main masked man takes his mask off.

page 15. ivan arrives, and the two begin arguing.

page 16. their leader cuts the main man’s arm off to make them stop.

page 17. the leader, a man with long black hair, says he hates war, and wants to hear their report for the sake of peace.

Trivia: While Ryūken scorns his status as a Quincy, he appears to still acknowledge it as his hospital and tie have blue crosses all over them, an obvious reference to his Quincy heritage.

430 Responses to “BLEACH 「ブリーチ ネタバレ」 484 Spoilers”

  1. MDre - March 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    The Buckbeard-nice title,it reflexts the look of the kings weard looking beard.
    People on other forums say that the vandenreich’s king looks like zangetsu, but when I first seen him on the top panel, I said,”holy shit, is that kenpachi” then I looked toward the bottom pannel,i seen the glasses and said “he kinda also looks like zangetsu”.
    so what does this means? is there another reason why Ichigo is special? I can’t wait to see what happens in next the next 5 chapters because I doubt we’ll get any info on the Vandenreich in the next 2 weeks.

  2. MDre - March 7, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    The Buckbeard-nice title, it reflects the look of the kings weird looking beard.
    People on other forums say that the vandenreich’s king looks like zangetsu, but when I first seen him on the top panel, I said, “holy shit, is that kenpachi” then I looked toward the bottom panel seen the glasses and said “he kind of also looks like zangetsu”.
    so what does this means? is there another reason why Ichigo is special? I can’t wait to see what happens in next the next 5 chapters because I doubt we’ll get any info on the Vandenreich in the next 2 weeks.

    • Reach - March 7, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

      Yeah he looks a bit like zangetsu but I don’t know. There just seems to be this malice that emanates from him. Zangetsu always looks calm and well friendly. He doesnt smile a lot but you can just tell that he isn’t evil in any way. This new guy though is completely different. He just screams “if you even look at me I’ll rip your face off”.

    • MDre - March 7, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

      yeah but he also did say that he hates fighting. also by his last statement, it seems his goal is more about peace. is he the beach version of pain, will he use fear to force peace, or will he just try and destroy the soul society system and revert it to the original every soul for them self (the democratization of the soul society)?
      bleach can go any where at this point in the story. XD

    • MightyM - March 8, 2012 at 5:48 am #

      I’m wondering how he cut the guy’s arm off. You wouldn’t think he’d get up just to do that and then quickly sit back down like nothing ever happened? Maybe a lackey that did it for him, a shot from a bow or something else? Then again, maybe he did dirty his hands and cut it off for fun. If he sends his cronies out to declare war and then says he wants peace, he’s a little contradictory. Maybe he has total control of all reishi and can just think about doing something to make it work. Kind of like Byakuya’s ability, but with reishi or telekinesis.

  3. unknown - March 7, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    Bleach now has a new race!!! 2 more years worth of 5 days!! >_>

    • Ashura - March 8, 2012 at 12:28 am #

      not confirmed.

    • MDre - March 8, 2012 at 1:28 am #

      Actually it is confirmed.
      During kubo’s “Repeat & Reboot” interviews in January kubo said that the villains in the last arc are something new, that always existed yet never mentioned.

      mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/74735-REPEAT-REBOOT

  4. unknown - March 7, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    Testing

  5. evden eve nakliyat ankara - March 7, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    I’ll gear this review to 2 types of people: current Zune owners who are considering an upgrade, and people trying to decide between a Zune and an iPod. (There are other players worth considering out there, like the Sony Walkman X, but I hope this gives you enough info to make an informed decision of the Zune vs players other than the iPod line as well.)

  6. Unknown - March 7, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    Testing 2

    • MDre - March 7, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

      damn chill out.

      • Reach - March 7, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

        He misspelled his own name. Thats why he is testing a lot.I guess I can cross that name off my list of ‘KH characters I’ll name myself off of’.

      • Unknown - March 7, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

        sorry. had to see if it would work. And how is it misspelled?

      • Reach - March 7, 2012 at 8:34 pm #

        You meant to capitalize ‘Unknown’ and instead left the ‘U’ as a lower case letter. Names should start with capitalizations so you misspelled it..technically. I probably could have found a better word but you get the gist.

      • Unknown - March 7, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

        Thats very true and i had forgot to capitalize the “U”

  7. kenpachi - March 7, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    i said it he looks like Kenpachi younger brother i think kenpa is related
    The can use bankai maybe we gonna know kenpachis story xd
    well thats my theory

    • The 13th Struggle - March 7, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

      If anything he looks older or at least the same age as kenpachi. I very much doubt that they are related in any way though.

  8. Sakanade - March 7, 2012 at 9:10 pm #

    This arc is the longer arc, so there is a plot.

    • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 12:33 am #

      The length of an arc doesn’t matter, what matters is how well the plot is executed and how well the story is told/characters developed.

  9. Uchiha Sasuke vs Uzumaki Naruto - March 7, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

    How did you guys like bleach this week?

    • The 13th Struggle - March 7, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

      I thought it was ok. Wasn’t bad in anycase. Check it out. You get to meet the enemy king.

  10. MDre - March 7, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    the big three actually done work this week. what were you favorite highlights of the week?

    • Titus Yoshi - March 7, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

      One Piece – Law’s re-appearance

      Naruto – Tsunade getting impaled, now all thats left is Sakura

      Bleach – Don’t read anymore…

      • Nova Anbu Black ops - March 7, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

        Bleach – Badass the best this week with kubo has done a his homework

        Naruto – Plot no jutsu kill off tsunade

        One piece – Law being Shichi is ok It was expected since he devil fruit are the ones shown in the beginning

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 1:37 am #

        @titus Why would you come here and say that then? We all know you don’t read bleach anymore so why do you keep mentioning it? Saying what happened in bleach naruto shouldn’t matter here since its the bleach section and we don’t discuss that here. Are you looking for attention or something?

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 1:40 am #

        He asked a question and I answered…

        Do you have a problem with that?

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 1:52 am #

        No. Just asking. Do you have a problem with what I said?

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - March 8, 2012 at 4:56 pm #

        Woah Titus! Nice work handeling Reach like that.

  11. MightyM - March 7, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    I wonder why they decided to have a place look the way it does. This leader says, “I want two big tusk looking things protruding from the ground, but they have to be hollow to look menacing…or something.”

    • The 13th Struggle - March 7, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

      You have to admit it does look pretty cool.

      • MightyM - March 8, 2012 at 1:18 am #

        I was expecting something a little more elaborate, but we’re not focusing on architecture in the manga. It kinda reminds me of a level on Tribes…without the tusks and spires.

  12. obese sama - March 7, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

    was that the ice palace thing

    • MightyM - March 8, 2012 at 5:28 am #

      I assume so, but with frozen hollow tusks of power.

  13. The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 12:09 am #

    I think the main problem this arc is having are the readers faults. I here some people saying bleach is going really slow and it doesn’t make sense right now. If you read all the chapters of this arc it flows a lot better. Bleach is like naruto. It’s best to read it in bulk. The story flows better and it doesn’t seem slow at all. That’s what I do with bleach. Once an arc is over I read it again with the benefit that I can start and not stop due to having to wait for the new chapter.

    • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 12:31 am #

      No, the readers aren’t in charge of the terrible writing, horrible execution of ideas, or poor storytelling.

      “The story flows better and it doesn’t seem slow at all.”

      Well, whatever story is in there, I admire the anime staff for their efforts in trying to piece Kubo’s jumbled mess together, that alone deserves merit.

      “Once an arc is over I read it again with the benefit that I can start and not stop due to having to wait for the new chapter.”

      It didn’t help the Fullbringer arc and it’s only made worse once you realize the pointless storylines and characters that are left to waste by the time you get to the end.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 12:41 am #

        Ok
        1) I never said they were in charge of anything. If they read it once it’s over they would probably enjoy it more.

        2) I wasn’t talking about the anime team do I don’t know you’re bringing that up. Bleach has a story. It’s not Seinfeld and when you read it all at once it does make more sense the. When you read it week by week, chapter by chapter.

        3) It did help the FB arc because it’s better now that I read the whole thing. It’s crap all the same but no as bad. I know plenty of people that read it when it released and then read it all at once when the arc ended and thought that it was better after they red it the second time.

        4) It isn’t a bigger waste than reading it every week and coming to the same ‘conclusion’.

        5) Glad to see you missed the main point of my post. Want to read it again and comment on that or talk about how much bleach again?

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 12:42 am #

        *How much you hate bleach*

      • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 1:05 am #

        @The 13th Struggle 1. Reading it more than once doesn’t always guarantee that, sometimes it can make it worse.

        2. With Bleach, it’s completely illogical, in terms of character motivations (or lack of one) or storylines that go nowhere.

        3. I’ve read it more than once too and I’ve noticed storylines that went absolutely nowhere and characters that completely disappear by the time the arc ends.

        4. It’s not much of a waste considering it’s a very fast read with little to no content and I don’t have to buy/support Bleach.

        5. Glad to see you take my post out of context.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 1:21 am #

        1.) I said that reading it more than once worked for me and that if people tried it they might enjoy it life based off what I’ve experianced and seen. Just because it doesn’t guarantee it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try.

        2.) To you it. Plenty of people still enjoy the story and think that some things make sense while still knowing that other things don’t. Don’t generalize it.

        3.) So it didn’t work for you. Do you want a cookie or something? Just because it wasn’t more enjoyable for you (shocker) doesn’t mean it won’t be enjoyable to other people that way.

        4.) considering that you can knock out the chapters quickly because it is a short read and you don’t have to worry about stupid ass cliffhangers and I never brought up supporting/buying it so I don’t know why you’re even talking about it. I at least purchase jump once in awhile to support bleach. I don’t like the idea that I’m reading it for free. I want to be up to date by I’m not going to be an ass and basically pirate their work. I do the same with naruto and KHR.

        5.) Glad to see you still haven’t addressed the main point of my comment so it’s nice to know I didn’t miss the context of your comment. The context was “I’m going to not talk about the main point of why he said all of those examples to talk about why bleach fails” again. Want to respond to the main point of my comment now?

      • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 2:14 am #

        @The 13th Struggle 1. Like I said before, I did try it. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll change anything.

        2. I’m not generalizing like you are ‘plenty of people’, which is an assumption you’re making.

        3. Again, not everyone is going to feel that way, they’re not going to magically change and then call Bleach a masterpiece like some Bleach fans are.

        4. Why buy something that’s crap? I have to read it to see if it’s good enough to buy it or not, otherwise it’ll just be a waste of space.

        5. Want to quit avoiding my comments instead of making false assumptions about me and my replies to your comments? Yes, you are taking my words out of context.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:52 am #

        Ok I’m already in one gigantic argument and I’m barely keeping up with that one and I don’t have the energy to continue two so I’m not going to bother. When I have the time (if I even remember) I’ll be sure to get back to you on that.

      • MightyM - March 8, 2012 at 5:51 am #

        Does it really matter than much to you to “win” an argument over the Internet? Who cares what people think. People will argue with you just for the hell of it and nothing else.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 12:00 pm #

        No but I should at least reply. He took the time to write that reply so I should take the time to read it and answer him. It’s not about winning. It’s about common courtesy.

      • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

        @The 13th Struggle It’s ok, you don’t have to reply to every single post, otherwise you’ll be here forever and by that time the next chapter forum will be open.

  14. CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 12:49 am #

    Well I’m about to do my weekly Bleach post about this chapter. It’ll be up in like 5 – 10 minutes.

    • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 12:51 am #

      I’m surprised it will take that long to say “fuck you kubo” and “this chapter sucked ass”.

  15. CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    Well I guess it’s that time again but before I start let me just say Kubo did some good things in this chapter that really made me questioned if he did them so congrats on that but you better not fuck it up Kubo because I know you can but please just do not fuck this up. So yeah let’s get started.

    First off another look alike! Ichigo ,Aizen, Byakuya, Tsukishima, Ivan and the dude that took his mask off that talked to a beat down Ivan looked just like Ichigo and Aizen just like the others above! I thought he was Ichigo’s and Aizen’s love child! That shit isn’t cute Kubo it just show’s that you’re unartistic and lazy! Go big or go home! People do not have time for your bitch ass bullshit! So stop the look alikes and actually give some characters their on unique look!

    But other then that there was some things I liked about this chapter.

    I mean Kubo somehow managed to keep Sasakibe alive not that I expected different I mean come on it is Bleach even though the Manga is about death no one dies. But was it just me or did it look like Sasakibe hand was gone? Maybe it was just the way Kubo drew it.

    But yeah this chapter sparked interest to me especially when Sasakibe said that they can do Bankai. When he said that my interest level when up some levels(Like my interest x10). Like I thought they were Quincy’s but they looked like Arrancar’s but they can do Bankai like what is up with that. I get that Kubo that was good but don’t fuck it up.

    And the leader looked pretty boss I mean he didn’t take shit and that’s good. He looked serious and didn’t give a shit like he took one of his own guys arm off I was like Ok that was nice but in the back of my mind I was like don’t fuck it up Kubo. But that’s what kind of Villain that is needed.

    So Kubo established a Villain now he still has a lot of shit to answer(I’ve already posted the list awhile back) but yeah that’s it.

    This chapter was OK I didn’t like that it took me awhile to read it because that means you have to clean your shit up and make things clearer. I mean you can’t have BIG ass panels and tiny tiny words and you can call that developing but I call it stalling.

    • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 1:15 am #

      Hmmm so other than the look a likes Bleach has been getting better?

      Time to go back to reading it I guess.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 1:25 am #

        To be honest the look a likes are not a big deal. Have you ever read inuyasha? Everyone looks alike in that manga but no one ever complains about it. It’s just the style if the mangaka. For a lot of them their characters look alike and are distinguished by hair and eye shapes. It’s just kubo’s style that makes it like that so I don’t see it as a problem.

      • NateParedes44 - March 8, 2012 at 1:37 am #

        Exactly! The same thing can be found with One Piece widely separated female down syndrome eyes. Also, if you played the game Blue dragon- illustrated by Akira Toriyama, the characters are basically kid versions of Trunks, Bulma and Goku in different clothes XD

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 1:41 am #

        Just about every character in Inuyasha looked unique! Matter of fact I can count the people that looked alike on one hand…… seriously and literally.

        Naraku and Sesshomaru

        Kikyo and Kagome(And I don’t even count that one because Kagome was Kikyo’s reincarnation so of course they were going to look alike).

        And you must be a new reader involving Bleach because that wasn’t always Kubo’s art style! In the first 5 years of Bleach every character was unique, and had their on unique quality and something that made them special that only they had. Kubo got lazy and started making all the characters look alike/Carbon Copies of each other.

        @Titus This chapter was the breakout one the other ones was umph’s but this one was Ok and was something to work off of. But what it all comes down to is consistency! Kubo had it at first but lost it and that what it all comes down to. Can he be consistent and do this week after week. If Kubo can do these kind of chapters consistently for about 20 – 50 – 100 chapters I’ll give him a chance/I’m in though I still will be hard on him just like this chapter.

      • MDre - March 8, 2012 at 1:42 am #

        it not just bleach and inuyasha, the characters in detective conan look like they been re-used a lot. and most of the female characters in One Piece all have the same big forehead design. When artist/mangaka’s create a style/world they’re going to have repetition and similarities. Patterns exist in all forms of art.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 1:47 am #

        Also everyone in One Piece looks different so you must be reading a different Manga and what did you expect Akira designed it wouldn’t you think they would look similar/look alike characters from Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 1:49 am #

        @CosomG Really? Sango and kagome (and by extension kikyo) don’t look alike? Inuyasha looks like a white haired kagome. Maybe you are referring to the anime where they look different but in the the manga they all look the same. One Piece has this thing where all the women have the ‘nami’ design. In KHR some if the women look alike. FT has the thing were some of the women look like Ezra. Don’t complain about kubo’s characters looking alike just because its kubo when a lot of other manga characters identical too.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 1:50 am #

        @MDre But that doesn’t mean they have to look just alike they didn’t in One Piece and Inuyasha they all have the same noticeably traits(One Piece Foreheads and Inuyasha facial features) but they never looked alike like characters do in Bleach.

      • MDre - March 8, 2012 at 1:52 am #

        they don’t look alike in bleach, they just share one similar trait.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 1:53 am #

        No I’m talking about the Manga too they all had women faces and facial features alike but they never looked just alike each other like characters in Bleach nowadays and Sango and Kagome didn’t look alike because of their different facial expression and the attitude that their face had(Kagome’s was playful but Sango’s was serious).

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 1:55 am #

        @CosomG Can you tell the difference between characters in bleach? Can you tell the difference between characters in inuyasha/detective Conan etc.? Yes you can. It boils down to the style and that’s just how it is. The inuyasha face (or kagome face. It really doesn’t matter since they all have the same face) is used for basically every character in inuyasha with the only thing setting them apart is distinctive features. Kubo’s characters have that as well.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 1:55 am #

        @MDre No they don’t they look just alike

        Ichigo = Aizen = Ikkaku = Byakuya = Ginjou = Kenpachi = Kaien = Tsukishima = Ivan = New guy(The one that took his mask off) and the list go’s on!

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 1:58 am #

        Stop trying to make excuses because they don’t look alike(Characters in Bleach). Inuyasha characters had a distinctive feature that set them apart from each other but characters in Bleach are carbon copies/look alikes.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 1:58 am #

        *Do(I said don’t instead)!

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 2:01 am #

        They do look alike

        But like Reach said, as long as you can tell the difference between the characters it shouldn’t matter

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:05 am #

        @CosomG I’m going to break this down piece by piece so it’s easier to read.

        1.) if you know anything about bleach you would know that when kubo was designing Ichigo his first appearance was that of aizens. Once kubo scrapped that and gave Ichigo his current appearance he gave ichigos old design to aizen. That’s the reason they look alike.

        2.) ikkaku does not look like aizen at all. I have no idea where you slate getting that.

        3.) Ikkaku doesn’t look anything like byakuya either. Everyone had a distinct look when the manga began and as kubo’s art style began to evolve the characters began to look more alike. Anyone who reads bleach should have caught on to this.

        4.) There is a reason kaien looks like Ichigo just like there is a reason that kikyo looks like kagome so that doesn’t count and you know it. He also looks nothing like kenpachi so again what are you talking about?

        5.) tsukushina does look like aizen do I’ll give you that.

        6.) If anything Ivan looks like grimmjow so you may want to reassess your opinion on that one.

        7.) Sango and kagome don’t look alike huh? They don’t have the same face?
        http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7000000/Shippo-Sango-and-Kagome-Wallpaper-shippo-7089993-1024-768.jpg
        Yeah they look completely different. *sarcasm*

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:07 am #

        @Titus That’s bullshit I shouldn’t have to able to identify a character to begin with! I should be able to see that character and know who they are not second guess or double take! And the only reason I can tell the difference is because they wear different things, have different body’s and have different hair or don’t have hair at all! So that argument is bullshit! Once you make an arguement like that I can’t take you serious anymore because that argument right there proved that you’ve ran out of things to say and you don’t have a true/valid argument!

      • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 2:08 am #

        @The 13th Struggle It’s the facial features, especially the eyes, where pretty much most of the Bleach characters are very similar to each other.

        No, Inuyasha and Detective Conan characters actually have defining traits that actually differentiates each character even though the styles are very similar to each other.

        @Titus Yoshi It depends on which character because most of the characters are poorly developed that they’re not memorable in any way, shape, or form.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:11 am #

        @CosomG Let me pick that argument apart. You said you shouldn’t have to second guess when it comes to characters? Ok. You go on to say that you can tell them apart by their hair, what they wear, and the fact that they have different bodies. So you are saying that they look different. If you can tell them apart then there is a difference between the characters so you just contradicted yourself. Have a nice day sir.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:13 am #

        It only take me 2 to make you look like an idiot

        1. Ok that doesn’t mean all the characters have to look alike and I didn’t break up the category’s

        People that look like Aizen: Byakuya, Ginjou, Ivan, Tsukishima and new guy(+Etc.)

        People that look like Ichigo: Grimmjow, Ikkaku, Kaien, Aizen and Kenpachi

        And you said it yourself Aizen looks like Ichigo so if he looks like Ichigo then the people that look like him do too and thanks for mentioning I fogot Grimmjow.

        2. And Like I said earlier their facial details/expression seperates them and allows me to know the difference! (Right Sango and Left Kagome)

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 2:15 am #

        CosomG – March 8, 2012 at 2:07 am #

        @Titus That’s bullshit I shouldn’t have to able to identify a character to begin with! I should be able to see that character and know who they are not second guess or double take! And the only reason I can tell the difference is because they wear different things, have different body’s and have different hair or don’t have hair at all! So that argument is bullshit! Once you make an arguement like that I can’t take you serious anymore because that argument right there proved that you’ve ran out of things to say and you don’t have a true/valid argument!

        Ok, like you said their face is the same but they have a lot of different features so you can distinguish between them…

        As long as you can distinguish between them it really shouldn’t matter…

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:16 am #

        No I didn’t because I never said where I looked first I don’t look at the entire character I see the face first and if that person looks like someone it’s gonna make me second guess and double take! If I didn’t take a step back and looked at the entire character I would be lost and wouldn’t know who was who! You sir now look like a moron!

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:16 am #

        @Unidentified These people don’t look alike? Really?
        http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/x_xdeathwishx_x/tumblr_lpnfoyLu981r0k8ipo1_cover.jpg
        They all have the same face Shao and eye shape. The only difference is the color. The eyes for characters in detective Conan are also very similar as well.

        Character development doesn’t have any bearing on character design.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:19 am #

        @Titus Yes it does Titus and if you say that bullshit again I’m ignoring you because that is BY FAR the worst argument EVER! That’s like saying Micheal Jackson and George Clooney look alike because they wore the same suit or they both wore suits period or Barack Obama and Bush look alike because they were both Presidents!

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 2:20 am #

        @CosomG

        Yes, you said they have different features that allow you to distinguish between them…

        Not in those exact words but you did say that, right hither:

        I can tell the difference is because they wear different things, have different body’s and have different hair or don’t have hair at all!

        Now who looks like a moron?

        If you really can’t distinguish between the characters easily even though they have so many different features I wonder who the real moron is…

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 2:22 am #

        CosomG your examples suck ass…

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:26 am #

        @CosomG
        1.) You should have explained it better than because tgat little diagram you made made no sense.

        2.) kenpachi looks nothing like Ichigo do I’d like to know what weed you smoke to make that a reality. Ikkaku doesn’t look like Ichigo either.

        3.) kaien has a legitimate reason to look like Ichigo. That’s like complaining that kikyo and kagome look alike.

        4.) you must be an idiot to miss this because I said that ichigos old design was given to aizen and tgats why they look alike. If the old design was kept for Ichigo then you would have a point. Kubo kept basic features and changed others to make Ichigo because the first design didn’t match what kubo wanted Ichigo to look like but matched what aizen should have looked like which is why they share a similar appearance.

        5.) no shit you know the difference. You can tell who is who but they both look alike and that is a fact. Just because you can tell the difference doesn’t mean they don’t have similar features.

        It didn’t take you two to make me look like an idiot. It took you two to show how much you don’t think when you post.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:28 am #

        @Titus Eh dumbass Let me quote this “No I didn’t because I never said where I looked first I don’t look at the entire character I see the face first and if that person looks like someone it’s gonna make me second guess and double take! If I didn’t take a step back and looked at the entire character I would be lost and wouldn’t know who was who!”

        I look at faces first if I didn’t it might would be a different story but it isn’t I look at the faces and I can’t tell the fucking difference! Like I said before that Bullshit comparison/argument is like saying Black and white are the same because they’re colors! Now fuck off and go to Manga Gate so that you can talk to people that don’t know and can’t tell you what you are……. A pure bred idiot!

      • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 2:28 am #

        @The 13th Struggle I told you, the animation style is obviously going to be similar, that doesn’t mean the facial features themselves are going to be the same.

        It doesn’t help if most of the characters are going to be bland and underdeveloped, especially if some of them are as horribly trolled by Kubo.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:29 am #

        @titus I agree his examples really do suck.

        @CosomG the flaw with that george clooney ‘example’: you can tell the difference between Ichigo and grimmjow/ikkaku/byakuya by looking at them. The only one looking like an idiot here is you. I guess uchiha was right when he said you don’t admit when you’re wrong…

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 2:33 am #

        @CosomG

        lol does it really take you that long to look at a picture

        If it really takes you that long to look at something other than the characters face then that’s on you…

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:37 am #

        @Reach

        http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/d/dd/Ichigo.gif

        http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20800000/Kenpachi-Zaraki-zaraki-kenpachi-20835393-1280-720.jpg(Curve His face take away the Eye Patch and scar and he looks like an older dark hair Ichigo)

        http://images.wikia.com/bleach/en/images/6/69/Ikkaku_237-123.jpg

        They all look alike Dumbfuck and there was no flaw and if I can’t admit when I’m wrong then neither can you! You’re the last one that should be talking! I can’t even give a number(Because it’s to high to give) that you’ve started arguments OVER NOTHING because you wanted to be right! You have no room to be talking prick!

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:40 am #

        @Titus It seems like you’ve run out of things to say because if that’s all you got I feel sorry for you/Pity you! It doesn’t take me long it’s just the fact that I have to double take so it takes me an extra second I’m not retarded like you so I picture can’t affect/slow me down or my attention span!

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:41 am #

        @Reach

        http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/d/dd/Ichigo.gif

        http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20800000/Kenpachi-Zaraki-zaraki-kenpachi-20835393-1280-720.jpg(Curve His face take away the Eye Patch and scar and he looks like an older dark hair Ichigo)

        http://images.wikia.com/bleach/en/images/6/69/Ikkaku_237-123.jpg

        They all look alike Dumbass and there was no flaw and if I can’t admit when I’m wrong then neither can you! You’re the last one that should be talking! I can’t even give a number(Because it’s to high to give) that you’ve started arguments OVER NOTHING because you wanted to be right! You have no room to be talking prick!

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:44 am #

        @unidentified Animation? Are we talking about the anime or the manga? We’re talking strictly design. Character development has nothing to do with it.

        @CosomG you can’t tell the difference between these two?
        http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/087/4/4/Ichigo_vs_Grimmjow_by_kitty_23.png

        Or these two?
        http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100111215123/bleach/en/images/5/5a/Ichigo_%26_Aizen_-_Fake_Karakura.jpg

        Or these four?
        http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn134/Crimson_Alchemist71/Bleach-GrimmjowByakuyaIchigoUlquior.jpg

        You must be an idiot, have bad eyesight, or you just don’t want to admit you could be wrong.

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 2:46 am #

        I didn’t run out of things to say, I’m really just not trying to bash you…

        It just really shouldn’t be necessary to double take…

        I’m not retarded like you so I picture can’t affect/slow me down or my attention span!

        wtf? Come back when you can compile a sentence together correctly…

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:46 am #

        @Reach

        http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20800000/Kenpachi-Zaraki-zaraki-kenpachi-20835393-1280-720.jpg(Curve the face and he looks like even MORE like Ichigo)

        http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/d/dd/Ichigo.gif

        http://images.wikia.com/bleach/en/images/6/69/Ikkaku_237-123.jpg

        They all look alike Dumbshit and there was no flaw and if I can’t admit when I’m wrong then neither can you! You’re the last one that should be talking! I can’t even give a number(Because it’s to high to give) that you’ve started arguments OVER NOTHING because you wanted to be right! You have no room to be talking prick!

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:47 am #

        @CosomG Oh so you’re saying that you can tell them apart and that isn’t the problem. The problem is that you have to take a second to look again. Are you a baby? It doesn’t take that long so stop whining.

        “I’m not retarded like you so I picture can affect/slow me down…”
        That sentence seemed retarded to me.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:49 am #

        Excuse me if I type to fast and have a mistake I’m only HUMAN but I’m not sure if you know the meaning of that considering the fact that you can’t understand the letter “I”! I’m pretty sure you don’t have to double take dumbass but I do because I’m smart enough to understand that the characters look the same unlike you!

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:51 am #

        @Reach That last comment also goes to you and I can’t wait for my comment to go through so that I can put you in check dumbass

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 2:53 am #

        I didn’t say that they don’t look the same…

        I said that they look the same but they have different features so that you can distinguish between them…

        I didn’t mistake the letter “I”, the whole sentence wasn’t put together right so it was incomprehensible.

        I have no idea as to what you were trying to say…

        p.s. double taking doesn’t make you smart…

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:55 am #

        @CosomG My last comment goes back to me? The comment that says its directed to you? So basically you’re saying to me “@CosomG Oh so you’re saying that…”. You might want to specify which part of the comment next time idiot.

        The only one looking like a desperate moron here is you.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:58 am #

        @titus Is this the saddest moment you’ve seen for Cosom? We seem to have all the examples from the manga while he is just…desperately trying to refute us while peppering in 4th grade insults. Very sad.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 2:58 am #

        And I didn’t understand one of your Idiotic posts! “I said that they look the same but they have different features so that you can distinguish between them…” And I(I AS IN ME) said that I think that they all look alike! I AS IN MY OPINION YOU STARTED THIS SHIT OVER AN OPINION SMARTY(Not)! And I was saying you couldn’t comprehend the word I and you proved that I was correct! Thanks.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 3:01 am #

        @Reach I thought you would understand but apperantly I had to much confidence in you but I can only blame myself for giving a dumbass like you the benefit of the doubt! And the only person who looks sad is you with your pity excuses!

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:04 am #

        @CosomG Ok let’s pick this comment apart.

        “I as in my opinion you started this over an opinion smarty…”
        You’re missing a word there buddy boy.

        “and I was saying you couldn’t comprehend the word…”
        That’s because there are many words you could have meant in that sentence moron. It would be impossible to guess which one you meant. How about next time you proof read your comments (like the one I’m referencing) before you post them and come off looking like an idiot that doesn’t understand sentence structure.

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:04 am #

        @Reach

        lol nah, this isn’t the saddest state I’ve seen him in

        This is actually pretty normal for CosomG :/

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:06 am #

        @CosomG Thiught I would understand what? You’ve avoided replying to my posts and have been targeting Titus. What exactly did you say to me that I ‘failed to undersstand”?
        If you had bothered to read my posts then you would have shut your dumbass up a long time ago.

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:07 am #

        Pfff CosomG can’t read

        The same thing you said would also go for my posts Reach

        Either he isn’t reading them or he legit can’t understand them, which is pretty sad

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:09 am #

        Correction to last post: *Though. See when I fuck up I at least admit it and then correct myself so people understand. I don’t leave it a jumbled mess and then call people dumbasses because they can’t understand that shit. Try it sometime.

        @titus That’s even sadder. I think my posts with the links prove that you shouldn’t have to double take to notice the difference.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 3:09 am #

        @Reach You hypocrite it was just a month ago when you were talking about me “protecting” Unidentified but you’re doing this with Titus!

        I know I missed something but I don’t care because I got my point across didn’t I? Of course I did dumbshit! It’s not my fault if you’re too stupid to understand my comment that’s a you problem I’m not proof reading my comments as long as I can understand them shitface!

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 3:10 am #

        @Titus Look at your deformed as coming all Late! And I know what I did but YOU started it over one stupid post not that I’m surprised because you posted it!

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 3:11 am #

        *ass(Gonna judge that too pricks?)

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:12 am #

        @Titus I think it’s a mix of both. He isn’t reading them and he doesn’t understand what we are saying. That’s the problem with arguing with irrational people.

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:17 am #

        Weird how we’re not even on the main topic anymore :/

        All that’s really going on now is CosomG trying to bash us while stumbling over majority of his sentences…

        There’s really no point to this

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:19 am #

        @Cos-whatever I lost respect for you just now.

        I’m not defending him. I’m taking the stupid shit you say in your posts and throwing them back at you. Unlike when you defended anonymous I never said “oh Titus is kicking your ass CosomG”, “damn, give up CosomG you lost” like an idiot.

        It doesn’t matter if you can understand it dipshit. This isn’t your diary. This is a forum do other people need to be able to understand you in order for them to talk to you you moron. If you continue that stupid attitude people are never going to know what you mean and all conversations with you will boil down to “what did mean by that?”, “I think you missed a word”, “pretend isn’t a four letter word”.

        Grow up.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 3:21 am #

        If there’s one thing I agree on it’s half of Titus post! I’m just arguing with you two mental disabled children for nothing now! What’s the point if the argument is off Topic. I guess you can go back to your Pimp Titus and you can act like the pussy you are Reach and take shots at Unidentified while he’s gone!

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:21 am #

        Correction: so.

        @titus Yeah you’re right. There really is no point in this anymore. Well it was nice showing the world how much of an idiot CosomG is with you dude.

        @cosom Pick up a grammar book once in awhile.

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:22 am #

        lol xD

        “pretend isn’t a four letter word”

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:24 am #

        @titus Is that zoro as your avatar?

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:25 am #

        @Reach

        lol ya, it was pretty interesting

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 3:25 am #

        @The Coward You’re babying him all my posts were jokes yours were serious dumbfuck and like I said it’s not my fault if you can’t understand now I can’t blame you because I’m tired and probably sounded out of whack with some of my comments but I was clear enough for you to understand! And I would say I’ve lost respect but I never had any for you and that’s your stupidity for having respect for someone over the internet not mines!

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:26 am #

        @Reach

        Yesh it is Zoro! Looks pretty beast in that pic

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 3:26 am #

        @Titus But dick is but I’m sure you would know that because you are one!

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:27 am #

        @titus You like that one? Just to let you know that one actually happened. I think what he said was promise though.
        “promises is nothing but a four letter word…”
        That was the sentence he wrote. Sad.

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:28 am #

        @Reach

        lol really? xD

        Too bad I missed that one

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:28 am #

        @titus Nice! Zoro was always my face OP character. I’m actually thinking of restarting OP from where I left off because I want to see some zoro badassness.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:30 am #

        @titus I like how Cosom is still replying even though we’re not talking to him lol.

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:31 am #

        Yep yep, Zoro is pretty badass!

        Where did you leave off?

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:31 am #

        @Reach

        lol ya, I wonder why

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:34 am #

        @titus I left off when luffy escaped with the fishmen’s princess. I think she had a shark or some shit in her hair lol. I’m going to set aside time tomorrow to get caught up.

        Well Cosom is only replying to you and done guy called ‘TheCoward’. No idea who that guy is.

      • CosomG - March 8, 2012 at 3:34 am #

        I just wanted to say everything I had to say continue on just ignore them if you don’t care.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:35 am #

        *some

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:37 am #

        @cosom We don’t so shut up.

        @titus Lol. I just couldn’t help myself with this one.

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:38 am #

        Ah, cool cool

        It’s gotten a lot better since then IMO

        I don’t think you’ll be disappointed if you end up going back to catch up

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:39 am #

        @Reach

        lol, it’s cool I guess

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 3:41 am #

        @titus I hope it has. The main reason I dropped it was because I couldn’t care about the fishmen. Now I’m going to give it another try since I don’t have to wait for new chapters I can just breeze through that arc and enjoy it.

      • Cosom - March 8, 2012 at 3:42 am #

        Who’s acting immature now?(Not trying to start anything) I don’t know if you’ve noticed this but I’m not mad, angry or any of that shit you see I get over things quickly espically when it’s over the Internet. I’m not going to hunt down and try to hurt a guy because of something he said on the God Damn Internet! That argument is behind me because at the end of the day

        1. I don’t know who you are

        2. I am only going to come over here and post a comment(About the Chapter) Once a week and that’ll be the only time I’m over here! Keep on insulting if you want but I won’t follow you up.

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:44 am #

        Ah, I see

        Well then you’ll probably be glad to hear that Luffy and crew made easy work of the fishman

        As it was pretty much only an arc to portray the SH’s new found strength and start them off into the NW

        In other words it was pretty much just a build up arc, though it was still pretty interesting with some of the SH’s new moves

      • Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 3:45 am #

        @Reach

      • MightyM - March 8, 2012 at 5:27 am #

        Look at that body…Ah…

  16. gary barlow - March 8, 2012 at 1:35 am #

    he DOES look like zangetsu

    • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 1:39 am #

      So?

  17. Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 1:54 am #

    LMFAO!

    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/483/20

  18. Titus Yoshi - March 8, 2012 at 2:00 am #

    Just finished catching up to Bleach again

    It was actually pretty good

    • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:06 am #

      Pray that kubo keeps it up.

      • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 2:15 am #

        @The 13th Struggle We’ll need a big game-changing miracle for that.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:50 am #

        What miracle? As long as kubo keeps doing what he’s doing now bleach won’t end completely in the shitter. Like Titus said this weeks bleach was pretty good.

      • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

        @The 13th Struggle Keeps doing what he’s doing?

        This feels like the start of the Arrancar Saga 2.0, only not taken as seriously because Ichigo’s friends are too busy easting bread to give a damn about anything.

        Bleach is already in the crapper, it hasn’t sunk any lower than the Fullbring arc yet, but it hasn’t exactly gotten out of it either.

        That’s Titus’ and your opinions.

      • The 13th Struggle - March 8, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

        @anonymous It’s better than the FB arc. The Arrancar arc started ok and then went downhill. If kubo can keep up what he’s doing and not let it go downhill then bleach will end on a high note (anything is high after the FB arc).

      • Unidentified - March 8, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

        @The 13th Struggle I didn’t disagree with that, I even said before that it wasn’t nearly as bad as the Fullbring arc.

        I used the Arrancar Saga as a comparison because that’s what it feels like and I hope I won’t be as terribly disappointed as I was back then which is why I’m really cynical about Bleach and I’m not as excited like some Bleach fans are because it feels like it’s heading towards that direction.

    • MightyM - March 8, 2012 at 5:21 am #

      I don’t know what everyone keeps complaining about. Stories are good and bad based on personal opinion. I may not like everything this series has done, but I’ll still read. It’s funny to see people argue over something that’s not real. It’s like as arguing over which religion is better. What’s next, compete with post lengths to overcompensate for something?

  19. 123345 - March 8, 2012 at 4:12 am #

    I wonder if it’s the Spirit King’s court and that the villain has taken the throne.

  20. jennatalia - March 8, 2012 at 5:06 am #

    I wish Orihime would hurry and heal old man Yama’s arm (if she can because it was sacrificed) so he wouldn’t be so slow and such a pansy. He’s getting soft and although he’s the most powerful, he needs to be able to back it up if this new guy is really strong. I wonder how long it will take him to tell everyone else who these guys are and what he thinks they’re up to.

  21. MightyM - March 8, 2012 at 5:08 am #

    More than that, holy fucking eyebrows! I never really paid attention to them before, but damn!

  22. MightyM - March 8, 2012 at 5:14 am #

    I guess Yama couldn’t kill everyone at that time and didn’t try to let them escape. Too bad…

  23. Madara - March 8, 2012 at 6:42 am #

    During Ichigo’s first hollowfication , when urahara was helping ichigo, getting his Shinigami powers back in the first place, Urahara had somethin up his sleeves he didnt told ichigo what he really was trying to do, what i think is that Urahara was trying to take that king’s power and transfer it into ichigo’s and Ivan came to steal ichigo’s Bankai tensa Zangetsu that belongs to his Boss, the King, my theory

  24. MDre - March 8, 2012 at 6:53 am #

    Here a funny bleach video from the youtube manga community.

  25. anonesan - March 8, 2012 at 7:17 am #

    http://www.memecenter.com/fun/179773/the-end-of-bleach

    • MDre - March 8, 2012 at 7:33 am #

      it would be better if it was Tsukishima instead of ulquiorra.