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Fairy Tail 287 Dicusion 「フェアリーテイル ネタバレ 第287話」

2012 June 15

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Trivia: In the manga, during his fight with Erza in the Tower of Heaven arc, Jellal’s attire is especially designed to withstand disintegration whilst he is using his Meteor spell. Though in the anime, he appears to be wearing a skin-tight sleeveless black shirt with cargo pants instead.

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  1. X - June 23, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    My opinion is, even though you learn God Slayer from someone, not everyone can master it, and not everyone compatible with it.

    Otherwise, some of the 7 Kin could use that as well, but to a lesser degree than Zancrow.

    And the God Slayer perhaps really originated from ‘Gods’, and handed down to some priest or follower of the Gods in form of ancient manuscript. Being directly from the Gods, the magic is close to original magic. Hades found the manuscript, and taught Zancrow the principal of the magic.

    • Zeref - June 23, 2012 at 11:00 am #

      dude God Slaying Magic isn’t Rinnegan from Naruto or something that it needs compatible people……so stop speculating so much…….and its not some sort of candy readily available in everywhere such that Hades would distribute them among all his kins…….as the name says its a lost magic so obviously its very rare…….Chelia might have it because of her connection to Zeref and Hades gave it to Zancrow because he might have used Devil’s eye to obtain it……..

      • X - June 23, 2012 at 11:20 am #

        “.Chelia might have it because of her connection to Zeref and Hades gave it to Zancrow because he might have used Devil’s eye to obtain it”
        how would you know?
        take your words back,
        “so stop speculating so much”

      • bem - June 23, 2012 at 11:41 am #

        @X
        ‘the God Slayer perhaps really originated from ‘Gods’, and handed down to some priest’ lol man what the hell,this manuscript u mentioned is it somekind of bible.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 23, 2012 at 11:43 am #

        It would kinda make sense why Zancrow would have been taught it since Zancrow is one of the oldest members (not age but been with Hades longer).
        I think its a good theory though, I hope it is true because right now there isn’t anything Godly about this magic.
        Zeref you just mentioned rinnegan, don’t forget Zancrow has rinnegan XD

      • Zeref - June 23, 2012 at 11:56 am #

        @Karakura lol “Zancrow has????”…… Zancrow is in after life right now and there’s no Kabuto here to resurrect him……

        @X how would i know?????its because Chelia connection to Zeref was felt by Crime Sorciere themselves…….and if Hades’s devil’s eye could locate Zeref then it could definitely locate lost magic as well……..

        So unlike you i based my theory on things that happened in the manga(like Chelia’s connection to Zeref and Devil’s Eye)……..and you blabbered about some manuscripts and priests and everyone being able to learn God Slaying Magic whereas none of your theories have anything relation with what has actually happened………

      • Titus Yoshi - June 23, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

        Zeref, it was his opinion and it wasn’t a bad one either. Don’t need to knock it down so harshly…

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 11:42 am #

        There is very little in the manga to do with GS magic, his theory is good nonetheless regardless if it is completly made up. Its a viable idea, I don’t think there could be a better theory considering how silly GS sounds otherwise

  2. hapontukin - June 23, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    so who’s up for CHAPTER 4

    of MANGA GOES WILD?!

    • Zeref - June 23, 2012 at 1:52 pm #

      Me!!!!!!!!but as long as you don’t focus only on Naruto and Luffy……..

  3. Titus Yoshi - June 23, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Ok… why do I have to come back here to people bashing other people cause of their ideas?

    I thought the FT section was free of that.. Just cause you guys disagree with someones idea there’s no need to bash it..

    Why can’t people come here and be able to freely express their ideas without worry of it being bashed?

    Come on guys.. what are we kids? We can debate without bashing..

    • Zeref - June 23, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

      Hmmmm….!!!!!!

  4. X - June 23, 2012 at 3:15 pm #

    “now the question is…who are the God’s XD
    I thought dragons are the strongest, now Acnologia is gonna look like childsplay compared to the Gods”

    @Karakura
    Yeah, if they exist, they must be the strongest,
    someone said my opinion about the theory of Gods’ manuscript is irrelevant,
    then how else the God Slayer is far stronger than Dragon Slayer?
    So if you’re saying someone copied it from Dragon Slayer,
    it’s very unlikely in my opinion,
    I think we all agree that it is not easy to create a new style of magic, plus stronger than Dragon Slayer,
    Also, God Slayer also is a Lost Magic.

    Fairy Law, Fairy Sphere and Fairy Glitter are created, of course, and they are strong, but God Slayer is a style of Magic and not magic techniques.

    Also, I remember the story about Zeref release evils into the world, so if evils exist, I think the equivalent which is Gods likely exist as well right?
    And the link between God Slayers and Zeref probably is, they are created by Zeref to kill Gods, because Zeref the evil side and the Gods the good side.

    This is my opinion, I never say that it’s from Mashima though.

    • X - June 23, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

      So my theories based on the God Slayer from the Gods, or from Zeref to combat the Gods.

      • The TorMenTor - June 23, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

        So whats your take on a Titans Slayer then,
        They stronger, Bigger than the Gods [Father/Mother] to some.

        – DS magic “Fire” said to be at least 3x stronger than original fire magic, immune to it, eat it, cant get hurt from it.!
        – GS magic “Fire” said to be at least 2x stronger than DS magic, immute to it, eat it,cant get hurt from it.!!
        – TS magic “Fire” would be at least 2x stronger than GS magic and so on.!!

      • Zeref - June 23, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

        So now people have invented another Slayer???Titan Slayer is it?????
        Hmmm……then how about Vampire Slayer…..Werewolf Slayer……Exceed Slayer…….or maybe Mashima Slayer?????i guess no character in FT could slay Mashima huh?????

        Anyway i said earlier that Zeref is the guy who possesses all elements of GS magic and Natsu could beat him by possessing all elements of DS magic……
        @X so i do agree with you on the fact that GS originated from Zeref but i still don’t think that the God’s concept is going to be the way you think…..

        Anyway imagine that the God’s also disappearing on X777??????I wonder what a shocker that would be!!!!!!!!

      • X - June 23, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

        @Zeref

        I don’t think the ‘Gods’ disappear in year X777 maybe different story,
        based on my second theory, Zeref created God Slayer to battle Gods,
        Since years ago he release evil into this world, there must be some type of human protector, hence why Zeref need to slay them all first,
        maybe the ‘Gods’ were the title of some ultra powerful mages,

        The difference between God Slayer and Dragon Slayer in this context, while the Dragon Slayer is taught by a Dragon to slay a Dragon, the God Slayer is taught by Zeref to slay the ‘Gods’, not the ‘Gods’ themselve taught them to slay them as opposed to Dragon Slayer.

  5. The TorMenTor - June 23, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

    Well since most of y’all talking about another concept of Slayer.

    Here’s a good one .:: TITANS SLAYERS ::.

    Titan were Fear even among the Gods, Like Dragon respect and Fear the Gods.!!

    Titans Slayer.! x7 the Power of their element o magic.
    Gods Slayer.! x5 the Power of their element o magic.
    Dragons Slayer.! x3 the Power of their element o magic.

    • Zeref - June 23, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

      Dude having Zeref as the bad guy and Achnologia as the psycho dragon on the loose is enough i guess……..then we also have Tartaros yet to make any appearance….also Fiore is only a small part of Earthland so mages from other countries have to be seen…..so there’s no need for such things as Titan Slayers or any other new slayers and stuff…….it would make the title of the manga look fodder then……Mashima’s manga ‘Fairy Tail’ will focus more on Fairy Tail itself than making more new slayers and stuff……..and even if Titan Slayers were to exist then it should be in the movie or filler………definitely no place for such things in the manga or else all currently shown mages will become weaklings……

    • Christheman - June 23, 2012 at 6:02 pm #

      I don’t even think titan slayers would fit at all just because it would make DS magic even more repatative cus it would be the exact same moves just with different names like how he did with GS maybe as a filler arc it would be cool

    • The TorMenTor - June 23, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

      Hahaha,
      about Titan Slayer is just an idea since from previous post i read about phoenix slayers which could be same Category of Dragons.
      God slayers is a lil boost and power up might as well invented TiTan slayer since Titans are on Par wt the Gods nd sometimes Stronger.!!

      @Zeref – ur idea is awesome to have a Titans Slayer in the Movie ;)

      • Zeref - June 24, 2012 at 7:15 am #

        @The TorMenTor Hmmmm……yeah but that’s only possible if FT goes on for long enough……….

    • looney tunes - June 25, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

      That would be really stupid

  6. Zeref - June 23, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    @Titus @bem @Karakura @X @Christheman i guess people in this section(including me) are indeed getting harsh in their comments which hasn’t happened at least in this section before…….so i suggest that everyone shouldn’t take to retaliating on theories or predictions so rudely and just point out why the theories are bad……..PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!1

    • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 11:28 am #

      Its all Bem XD

      • Zeref - June 24, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

        yeah its mainly @bem……..that guy really is cocky……

      • bem - June 24, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

        wow just wow,All blame is a waste of time. No matter how much fault you find with another, and regardless of how much you blame him, it will not change you. The only thing blame does is to keep the focus off you when you are looking for external reasons to explain your unhappiness or frustration. You may succeed in making another feel guilty about something by blaming him, but you won’t succeed in changing whatever it is about you that is making you unhappy.

      • bem - June 24, 2012 at 10:01 pm #

        The search for someone to blame is always successful.

      • bem - June 24, 2012 at 10:03 pm #

        Blame is a lazy man’s wages.

      • bem - June 24, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

        Blame is the vehicle we use to park our guilt on someone else’s drive

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

        lol aren’t you overthinking things… too many posts too.

      • bem - June 24, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

        ……etc

      • bem - June 24, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

        u just pissed me off,esp. u ‘Its all Bem XD’ man what hell!!!!!!

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

        wow… you clearly overlooked the joke when I typed in ‘XD’

    • bem - June 24, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

      @KarakuraNinja
      blame someone else and get on with your life.

    • bem - June 24, 2012 at 10:10 pm #

      @Zeref
      u really made me the bad guy how sad.

      • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

        @bem dude i am also to blame for hitting out on others in spite of the fact that their theories are rubbish sometimes…….but you seem to do it almost every time…….yeah so you would be the primary antagonist……others like me might be a secondary antagonist or an anti-hero……:-P

      • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

        I am the protagonist because I bash on people who bash on people :P

  7. AvatarShawn9169 - June 23, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    I Know im going to be bashed to hell for this but if u will listen up there isn’t going to be anymore Slayer magic that would be foolish and Hiro isnt that stupid also i’ve heard over and over and over agian that GS>DS i completely and utterly Disagree infact GS=DS and GS<DF it's the fact that they are so differant that makes this illusion u guys are falling for and here is why its there fighting styles that makes them seem uneven DS always tend to use close combat where there attacks are infused with there elements take take Natsu and Laxus for example all they ussaly do is gather lightning or fire around there fist and strike. Though DS are also capable of long range attacks like there roar attacks or natsus brillant flame but they primaraly fight at close range however on the other hand GS tend to always tend to fight at mid to long range with blast of there elements as show by Zancrow, Chella, and if u include him Orga so at close range a GS are at a disatvantage agianest DS as shown when just this last chapter when shella got close to wendy she got wollopedas u can see here at the top http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/43592359/13 but if they can get some distance the GS have the advantage as was presented during Natsu and Zancrows entire fight now the reason i think GS<DF is bc the only 2 fights we have seen between GS an DS the DS have done well enough to hold there own during there battles but of course couldn't win do to there fights being unadvantagious to them seeing that they were done at mid-range but neither of the fights the DS were not in DF while fighting there oppoenants but seeing how DF triples ur strength then a DS should go from holding out agianest a GS to giveing them a run for there money but this is still just a theroy it wont be confimed untill and expieranced DS fights a expieranced GS namely we'll find out how they fair when Laxus and Orga have it out.

    • Christheman - June 23, 2012 at 6:52 pm #

      I’m not bashin you but GS is like an upgrade from DS as evident by how easily zancrow ate natsu’s flames yet natsu had trouble eatin his he even said they were hot also chelia sky healing ability is do much better then wendy’s

    • Zeref - June 23, 2012 at 8:15 pm #

      @AvatarShawn9169 dude most of Laxus’s attacks are mid range/long range like
      Raging Bolt
      Thunder Bullets
      Lightning Dragon’s Roar
      Lightning Dragon’s Heavenward Halberd
      Even his Breakdown Fist attack is near mid range…….

      Obviously GS magic is much more powerful but a person’s magic can be developed to surpass other powerful magic…….like Laxus who has developed his Lightning DS magic as such that he would beat the crap out of Chelia or Zancrow and even Orga maybe………

      • AvatarShawn9169 - June 24, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

        yeah but u see most of the attacks laxus used during his fight with natsu and gajeel were just lightning attacks not DS lightning attacks actally the only 2 that u mintioned there that were DS attacks were Lightning Dragon’s Roar and
        Lightning Dragon’s Heavenward Halberd i dont recall him using breakdown fist but his Raging Bolt and Thunder Bullets wasn’t DS techniques just normal lightning attacks

      • Christheman - June 24, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

        That’s cus breakdown fist was an anime only DS lightning attack

      • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

        Breakdown fist was used before he used Raging Bolt………

    • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 11:31 am #

      I like this theory, you won’t be getting bashed by me ;)

  8. thatguy - June 23, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

    All I know is that Natsu beat that Fire god slayer and Wendy can be that Sky god slayer.

    • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

      dude fighting is Natsu’s strength and Wendy dislikes fighting…..

  9. Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 23, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    Hahaha lol wow so that’s how it happens – if someone uses bold or italics in a blank comment then the whole page or section gets fucked up.

  10. The TorMenTor - June 23, 2012 at 10:17 pm #


  11. Sakanade - June 23, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

    I find FT fights the least entertaining, the manga that is.

    • Zeref - June 24, 2012 at 7:14 am #

      Too bad then!!!!!!!!

  12. shabba - June 24, 2012 at 6:39 am #

    I think that this God slayer thing is just relating to the strength of one of these people compared to dragon slayers. Sorry, but I don’t see it as the power to slay a god, but rather the power of a god.

    • InterestingIdea - June 24, 2012 at 7:15 am #

      I agree Zancrow said it best when he said, “What’s the power of a dragon compared to the power of a god?” I don’t think it means literal God at all. Lol.

    • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 11:33 am #

      I don’t see it as the power of a God either. I see it as dark dragon slayer magic

  13. InterestingIdea - June 24, 2012 at 7:12 am #

    @bem, I feel kinda bad that I’ve got to make you feel like you’ve only just began watching/reading FT, but let’s get to it! Zeref had less power in his “humbled,” form and still isn’t at full power from what we know.

    To say that he knew Natsu through prophecy or through sensory is extremely far-fetched. You still haven’t explained why Gajeel couldn’t pass the runes I’d understand if the DS magic were inherited rather than taught and that’s why they couldn’t pass but that’s just not true both were taught individually.

    Hades didn’t know what the “One Magic,” was he understood it would of been/was the most powerful magic but he couldn’t locate it he could only locate Zeref which he thought would lead him to the “One Magic.” Why it’s pretty obvious they all knew each other? The way the chapters were wrote when the “dragons,” conferred were past-tense.

    Natsu and Gajeel couldn’t pass through the barrier and they didn’t “inherit,” magical f—– power from Dragons. They were taught so to say “OH IT CUZ OF DRAGUN DEY CNT PAS!” Is pretty stupid, when you think that they never had anything implanted they were taught. Everyone was surprised that they couldn’t pass and they left it on a cliff-hanger.

    If it was to be answered then as to why and the answer was simply, “COZ DEY DRAGUNZ SEKRITLY.” I’m sure they’d of made that very clear because Hiro wouldn’t gain anything by making it wait this long. Zeref is the closest thing to a deity so far in the series you can’t say Mavis since we don’t know too much about her.

    So the fact that Zeref recognised Natsu (Gajeel and Wendy weren’t around remember Wendy came after to heal the scarf.) Points out that they definitely have encountered each other before because Zeref was weakened. On to the next point about Acnologia… three words, are you serious? Although it’s a very powerful Dragon I’m fairly certain Zeref called it.

    If Zeref’s capable of controlling the Dragon then how could the Dragon possibly be more powerful than Zeref. How do we know he “called it?” Refer to my original point he never sensed Natsu. >>>He was surprised to see Natsu.<<< Meaning if he can't sense Natsu but knows when Acnologia's coming it's self-explanatory.

    To the "One Magic," hypothesis. As I've stated Wendy, Gajeel and Natsu are pretty-much in it together. There have been hints that Gajeel is also older than he is and Wendy and Gajeel never "surprised," Zeref by showing up ahead of him. Originally the idea for DS was you could devour your own element.

    By devouring the element you could utilize it, but that's gone to the dirt considering Natsu keeps utilizing lightning. Now, I'm fairly certain he'd also be able to use the God Slayer magic he eat but the problem is he's just not strong enough yet. Look at how much using Lightning alone exhausts him.

    Wendy will most likely soon encounter a similar/the same ability, if not she wont at all and neither will Gajeel. They either have the One Magic or don't; but if they don't that still doesn't answer the question of if they knew each other. Igneel wasn't solely hostile to her you moron, he's a solitary Dragon. He doesn't like to socialise, etcetera.

    That is of-course unless you're saying there isn't a larger storyline at work here and he introduced GS Magic, Zeref (again,) and made Natsu eat lightning just because … well, he can. LEARN FT N00B.

    • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

      HAHAHAHAH!!!! I wished I said this sooner XD

      • Titus Yoshi - June 24, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

        @InterestingIdea

        You’re pretty smart, but there’re a few things I don’t agree with you about.

        Natsu and Gajeel couldn’t pass through the barrier cause their magic is old, not cause they are themselves old.

        It has been said early on in the story that your magic power is also your life force.

        For them to be older than they appear they would have had to have grown at a slower rate than other people.

        But we’ve seen Natsu as a kid grow and age at the same pace as a normal person ex. Gray, Mira, Erza, and others.

        Currently we have no plausible idea as to why Zeref knows Natsu.

        But the fact that Natsu had never met Zeref before that moment and Zeref had never met Natsu is true..

        It would make sense if Natsu had an ancestor very similar to him..

        About Acnologia.. Zeref didn’t call it. Did it seem like Zeref wanted it there to you?

        Like you said he didn’t sense, but he did know it was coming.

        The reason for this is because he knew what summons Acnologia to places.

        He knew that what had happened on Tenrou that day had fit the criteria for an Acnolgia visit.

        Zeref is most likely weaker than Acnologia as well.

        Remember Zeref wants Natsu alive and he knew Acnologia was gonna kill him.

        If he could’ve prevented Acnologia from killing Natsu he would’ve, but he couldn’t.

        Or at least not in the state he was in at the moment.

        Also Mavis could be considered just as much as a deity as Zeref is in Fairy Tail.

        Let’s not forget that she was able to block Acnologia’s attack even after her death.

        Something Zeref wasn’t even able to do while alive.

        Well ya.. that’s it.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

        Mavis = Itachi Uchiha, they are powerful from the dead XD

        Titus I disagree with you about the ancient magic being related to not letting them get through that rune wall. Naturally, the developed that magic and learnt it… therefore it was fresh new magic they deveoped and trained, they didn’t shove some randon over 80 year old magic lying on the dirt and transplanted it into their bodies.

        Also if we look at it through a literal sense, Fried specified his runes to not let people through based on their age. There is a reason also as to why Mashima made Gajeel and Natsu’s ages ? instead of giving them the typical teenage classification.
        Magic doesn’t classify someone’s age, even if it was their life force or was actually 80+ magic transplanted into their bodies. It was based on actual age human-wise.
        I seriously don’t understand why you ignore these things about Natsu/Gajeel’s age. Its like you don’t want it to be true to the point you try and convince yourself that.
        How could growing at a slower rate be the only explnation?? have you ever heard of a protagonist shrinking into a child before?? Detective Conan, Dragonball GT?? that is also a suggestion.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm #

        Then explain why Wendy has the same magic but her age is known, Karakura…

        I wasn’t ignoring that point..

        Magic could make someone appear older to another magic specified at age..

        I don’t read Detective Conan but in DBGT Goku was shrunk into a child but he still acted his age.

        Natsu was not only a child but he acted like a child. Also unlike Goku he didn’t still have the overwhelming magic power he supposedly had.

        Also.. Karakura, for Natsu to be over 80 when he looks 17 he would have to grow at a slower rate than normal people..

        But he doesn’t, so he can’t be over 80..

        Then to add on, Dragon Slaying magic isn’t new and fresh.. and Natsu learning it as a kid doesn’t make it new and fresh..

        It’s still lost magic regardless..

        Their magic being the reason as to why they couldn’t pass is the only plausible reason right now..

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

        yeah why was Wendy aged but Gajeel and Natsu not aged… that doesn’t all of a sudden mean Natsu/Gajeel are young, it creates questions about their ages.
        Lost magic is ancient, but just because you learnt ancient magic doesn’t mean you have 80+ parts in your body, having a rinnegan doesn’t make you have an 80+ eye ball if you naturally got it

      • Titus Yoshi - June 24, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

        It means Natsu and Gajeel not having ages might not be anything special at all..

        It could mean that they themselves just don’t know their own ages..

        These are two different mangas you’re comparing here..

        In Fairy Tail a person’s magic becomes a part of themselves. So if you have lost magic, to other magics you’ll come off as an 80+ year old person..

        In Naruto this isn’t so..

        In Naruto this isn’t so..

      • InterestingIdea - June 24, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

        Titus Yoshi, you’re right about magic power being in-turn with life-force. However I highly doubt it means the magic you learn or utilize merely the amount of magic you’re capable of utilizing or to what extent. The reason I’m stressing this point is because Lost Magic, is old magic but if Dragons are capable of teaching it then anyone can learn it.

        That essentially means you’re saying their “life-force,” is determined on what’s taught to them? I don’t think it’d be that simple or it’d of been mentioned before rather than left on a cliff-hanger. Your point about Zeref was good, but remember Zeref was “humbled,” at that point there’s no reason for him to be “humbled;” now.

        I also agree with your point about ancestry, they could have had ancestors which would explain a lot (like Natsu’s biological lineage, rather than who raised him etcetera and why they weren’t around.)

        However the other point you made is the one that’s more feasible to me that none of them actually know their ages. Remember we’ve already seen aspects of time-space powers from Lost Magics to Mavis. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were reincarnates of people that fought Zeref before or just ancestors. That’d all be logical to why they couldn’t pass the barriers. Namely because I repeat you’re right magic is stemmed from life-force in Earthland but Dragon Magic is only a disciple of magic just because it can be utilized doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s their life-force if that makes sense? Due to it being taught rather than inherently created.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

        I considered reincarnation but thought that was unlikely because its not the same as being old

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 12:43 am #

        @InterestingIdea

        Their lost magic being the reason as to why they weren’t able to pass the barrier is the only reason that makes sense to me right now..

        Like Karakura said, if it was reincarnation they wouldn’t be old.

        Time travel doesn’t age you. If you were returned to being kids by some kind of magic you wouldn’t be old anymore..

        For Natsu to be over 80 when he looks 17 he would have to grow at a slower rate than normal people, but he doesn’t..

        There’s no way he can be old.

        When I said ancestor I meant when Zeref saw Natsu he thought Natsu was the ancestor when he really wasn’t.

        Not that Natsu was the ancestor himself..

        So far there’s been no point that says they’re old that really makes sense..

        All we really know right now is that Natsu and Gajeel were the only lost magic users in FT back then and they were the only ones that couldn’t pass the barrier, other than Makarov.

        “Remember we’ve already seen aspects of time-space powers from Lost Magics to Mavis. “

        I don’t remember this :/

      • AvatarShawn9169 - June 25, 2012 at 1:03 am #

        This is my theory on the barriier question

        the reason natsu and gajeel couldn’t exit the runes here http://www.mangapanda.com/135-7223-14/fairy-tail/chapter-108.html is bc not the 80 and over rule that was ment to keep Makarov in but the other one that was ment to keep the “Statues” in u see i belive the reason the only ways to become a DS is to be trianed by a dragon or have a lacrayma implanted into the reason that is is bc when ur being trained by a dragon the magic starts to accumulate in ur body and forms into a lacryma that grews with its DS allowing them to enter DF and power up with time now the other way to become a DS the implanting of a lacrayma means DS get the power from the lacrayma immideately without the need of trianing but bc it never created in him it wont grow in time like a original DS and the only way to get stronger is to make ones body stronger and to increase ones other magic abilites witch doesn’t allow the actal DS powers to develop but just get more powerful also once a DSs lacrayma gets to a certian size it causes its owner to get motion sickness from all forms of transpertation except flight. so basicaly its there lacrayma that causes them to fall into the statue category and unable to pass and the reason Laxus was able to leave is bc either he left b4 the runes were drawn or he was just talking through a… idk what there called but there an illusion of the person… ummm… the other jellel that was among the councel was one though he claimed to be jellels twin brother up till he reveliled the truth at the tower of heaven arc.

  14. aexandria - June 24, 2012 at 7:31 am #
  15. KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    it would’ve been better if god slayers were dragon slayer dark counterparts

    • Zeref - June 24, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

      lol….Dragon Slayer was meant to slay dragons…….their counterpart should be Dragon Protectors i guess…….

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

        yh although it kinda makes little sense in the FT universe if dragons were the ones who taught DS magic. If it wasn’t FT I would agree with you otherwise.

      • Zeref - June 24, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

        True……

  16. Christheman - June 24, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    Lyon’s an asswhole I hope when he fights he gets beat badly

    • Zeref - June 24, 2012 at 6:50 pm #

      I doubt he would be beaten unless he’s against Sabertooth…….he can’t face FT because FT already fought Lamia Scale twice………so if Lyon is matched up against Sting/Rogue/Minerva he may be beaten….even Ichiya/Rabbit might beat him as their battle power is unknown…..don’t forget that Lamia came 2nd last year without Lyon and Jura………Lyon is probably the second strongest in Lamia Scale so he won’t be beaten that easily……….

      • Christheman - June 24, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

        True good point but I feel like he’s gonna end up fighting gray or that rabbit

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

        Strongest
        Jura
        Chelia
        Lyon
        Eye brows
        Toby
        Sherry
        Weakest

      • Zeref - June 24, 2012 at 8:45 pm #

        @Karakura nope Lyon is way stronger than Chelia…….Chelia has done nothing till now that has surprised Lyon……..if she had shown some techniques or extra power then LS would have shocked looks on their faces…….

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 8:56 pm #

        Chelia is a monster!!!
        No one may be able to stop her.

        I stopped finding her cute last chapter, now I want her obliterated and killed in the most violent way possible

      • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 3:25 pm #

        @Karakura lol…..yeah i too find Chelia very irritating……but still she isn’t a match for Lyon because Lyon would have admitted it then just like he admits how strong Jura is compared to him……..

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:38 am #

        Chelia isn’t anything special. You could say the same thing for zancrow. All Wendy has to do is use the sane method natsu used to defeat zancrow to beat her. Chelia can definetely be defeated.

  17. Christheman - June 24, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    I wonder what’s the order of strength for sabertooths strongest 5 its been confirmed orga is the strongest offensively an when it comes to sheer magical power he’s unmatched an we’ve seen rufus but we still can’t tell whose ranked where any thoughts on this

    • Zeref - June 24, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

      All five are equally strong……..maybe Double Dragons have more fame……..

      • Christheman - June 24, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

        You might be right about the twin dragons havin more fame but I think there has to be some kind of order cus when natsu beat that 1 dude from sabertooth lector said natsu was strong enough to be top 10 in the guild

      • Christheman - June 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm #

        Really I don’t think so cus the stats jason gave them orga was offensively stronger there defense was ranked the same an they were slightly faster plus magical power plays a big part in FT

    • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 9:05 pm #

      My top 5 based on guesses
      Orga
      Minerva
      Sting
      Rogue
      Rufus
      The last 3 on par imo, but Minerva and Orga on another level

      • Christheman - June 24, 2012 at 9:12 pm #

        I give you orga an I’d switch rogue an sting cus the stats jason gave them and I’d put rufus 2nd or 3rd

      • Titus Yoshi - June 24, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

        Rouge and Sting were already said to be the strongest in Sabertooth though.

        Orga was said to be the strongest in sheer power but Rouge and Sting could still beat him in a fight.

        I actually think he’s the weakest among the 5 when it comes to fighting.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

        but he is Laxus’ future rival… but perhaps since they are 3rd gen slayers they would be stronger than GS.
        I guess power levels is a bad idea for this group

      • Christheman - June 24, 2012 at 9:52 pm #

        Really I don’t think so orga has more magical power an offensively stronger then the other 4 jason gave all 4 of them the same defensive stat an there only slightly faster then him minus rogue whose speed was 6/5 an I can’t speak on minerva

      • Titus Yoshi - June 24, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

        Orga had the strongest attack but he also had the lowest defense..

        Keep in mind Minerva was able to block an attack that was able to send Hades flying easily..

        Also Orga wasn’t the smartest among the bunch. Rufus’ strength isn’t much behind his and he’s way smarter. He could probably easily outsmart Orga in a fight.

        Rufus’ magic is also still yet to be completely figured out, but we haven’t seen him get hit yet and he’s always dominated his fights so far.

        My list would go like this:

        Rouge
        Sting
        Minerva
        Rufus
        Orga

      • KarakuraNinja - June 24, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

        Rogue at the top?? I sense favouritism XD

      • Titus Yoshi - June 24, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

        lol.. nah. I put Rouge at top cause him and Sting were said to be the strongest but Rouge had slightly better stats.

      • Christheman - June 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm #

        6/5 5/5 4/5 isn’t bad an laxus’ intelligence is 1 higher an natsu’s is the same so is gajeel’s so if we go off of that natsu an gajeel are weaker then sting an rogue

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 12:22 am #

        In a fight between Natsu & Sting or Rouge & Gajeel I don’t think intelligence would be a determining factor.

        Dragon Slaying attacks only focus on brute strength and not tricks sooo.

      • Phoenix - June 25, 2012 at 12:32 am #

        Minerva
        Sting
        Rouge
        Orga
        Rufus

      • The TorMenTor - June 25, 2012 at 12:44 am #

        Im with body Phoenix there.

        1st. Minerva
        2nd. Rufus
        3-4. Sting/Rouge or Rouge/Stinge
        5th. Orga

        Minerva – went after Erza.
        Orga – went after Laxus bc they both have same element like Wendy/ Sheila.
        Sting/ Rogue – went after FT DS bc they were the most famous bfore the 7yrs absence!
        Rufus – well still duno who after but wuld said Gray!!

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 12:51 am #

        Right here it says that Sting and Rouge are the strongest if Sabertooth if you don’t believe me…

        http://i11.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/265/fairy-tail-2958355.jpg

      • Christheman - June 25, 2012 at 1:06 am #

        @Titus my fault I completely forgot about that so I would rank them
        1.Rogue
        2.Sting
        3.Orga
        4.?
        5.? just because we haven’t really seen minerva fight or seen orga and rufus have to really fight

  18. bem - June 25, 2012 at 12:42 am #

    @InterestingIdea
    ur post is full of shit ,oh pardon me! i meant mistakes gotta watch my manners.
    ‘humbled form’ oh man ,whats that? right before he murdered hades ‘zeref:i was never asleep’ he was always awake’ he only lacked the urge to kill and before all what does this have to do with anything we discussed?!! u r so random.
    ‘Acnologia..I’m fairly certain Zeref called it’ wow just wow,u obviously need to reread the manga ,’zeref:acknolgia heralds the end of eras,it was summoned by ur EVIL AMBITONS’
    about the runes its actually pretty simple DS magic is a very old lost magic, iam pretty sure ultear,zancrow..etc wouldnt be able to pass through the runes just as well.
    about recognizing natsu i wasnt in a dream or a prophecy i already stated this before ‘he met the young natsu during his DS magic training with igneel’ its just a simple guess ,not some very long absurd theory,but zeref definitely isnt acquainted with either gajeel or wendy.the first time mashiba introduced him as far as i can remember he said something like’i wanna meet natsu’ not i wanna meet natsu,gajeel and wendy’
    and pretty plzzzzz tell me those hints that u mentioned about gajeel being a geezer.
    u blabbered some nonsense about the ONE MAGIC,let me ask u what is the one magic? what makes u think that only those three possess it?
    acording to hades its the quintessence of magic born in darkness and to lucy’s mother its LOVE.
    just because natsu ate some bad food and didnt kick the bucket (the main character cant die just yet) that makes him the one and only possesser of the OM,u shit for brains try reading ur own post
    Believe me, I don’t want to make a monkey out of you but this is just too much.

    • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 12:48 am #

      Bem, really though, no need to insult him if you disagree. Please do treat the members here with respect.

      Also @InterestingIdea, please don’t retaliate to Bem by insulting him back. It’ll just create pointless fighting.

      Now, back on topic..

      Zeref couldn’t have met Natsu during his training with Igneel. I’m sure Natsu would’ve remembered that, even if just faintly.

      • Phoenix - June 25, 2012 at 12:51 am #

        Zeref got his bunny costume from Igneel, when Igneel was training Natsu, so they had to have met. Unless Igneel made it for him at night while Natsu was snoring.

      • love_lucy - June 28, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

        bem maybe onto something there actually,as far as i know natsu’head filled with just igneel,i doubt that he remembers anything beside his father from his childhood,and memories from that age is always faint.who knows that guy (bem) is def mean but what he said is logical

    • Phoenix - June 25, 2012 at 1:03 am #

      @bem
      You sound like an asshole…

    • CosomG - June 25, 2012 at 1:10 am #

      Why can’t we all just eat cookies and be friends?

      • Phoenix - June 25, 2012 at 1:18 am #

        What kind of cookies?

      • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

        I’m not sharing cookies with ‘HIM’…. XD

      • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

        Antagonist of FT section:-@bem
        Protagonist of FT section:-Most people who are against him or abuse him :-D

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

        Please don’t flame-bait.. Saying this is obviously gonna make him want retaliate and bash you..

      • Phoenix - June 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

        Flame bait has a different meaning…..

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

        Eh? Really? I thought it meant provoking other people into a fight..

        What do you think it means?

      • Phoenix - June 25, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

        No I meant ‘another’ meaning, sorry.

        Yeah it can mean bait for homosexual guys

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm #

        Oh, lol.. i see

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:38 pm #

        This is Titus

        “Hey guys stop fighting”…then he clicks over to the next tab and continues to masterbate.

        @bem

        Use those aggressive feelings – let the hate flow within you.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

        Why hate? Uchiha, you don’t have to be mad at the world cause you can’t get a girl..

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

        Hate? you think i have something let that feuling my power? I don’t need such things.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

        lol.. then why tell others to have hate and use their agression if you don’t?

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

        Anger is natural,it’s what gives people instant power – if they can use that energy and maintain it then they can push themselves to even greater heights.I have access to something else that deos the same thing that i use – it’s also natural,something that everyone can have,it’s called inspiration.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:49 pm #

        lol.. anger is natural but it’s pointless to get angry at shit that happens here..

        Mmmm, what are you inspired by?

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

        ^__^ i’m glad you asked! Some things that i’m inspired by are Cute sexy girls,Naruto, and other type of Epic things.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

        lol… kk

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

        Yeah you have to keep your inspirations in mind to become stronger!

      • love_lucy - June 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

        @bem

        you are just too mean,what a BULLY!

  19. Another Day - June 25, 2012 at 7:09 am #

    Does this chapter mean orga could be the lightning god slayer? He uses black lightning. That other guy uses memory make which is a lost magic I think. It’s been hinted that orga and laxus are I interested in fighting each other. Think about it. Natsu fought the fire god slayer, Wendy is fighting the air/wind/whatever god slayer so couldn’t hiro be setting up this little rivalry too?

    • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

      yh I agree with all this.

      So far its been revealed Rufus/Orga/Sting/Rogue have ancient magic… so then what type of magic is Minerva’s??

      It makes sensewhy Yukino turned out to be a stand in because her magic isn’t lost magic

  20. G i joe - June 25, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    here is my theory , dragon slayers isn’t meant to slay dragons its meant to slay GS who are meant to slay dragons , my theory is a bit wild so hang in there , if the dragons when they first came to existent they agreed not to kill humans or each other , lets say originally there was 7 dragons but Acnologia didnt fully agree and hated the other dragons for not ruling the humans so he started training a human to kill the dragons 3 of the dragons noticed that trained there Dragon slayer to slay the GS , 3 of the dragons had there DS ready to fight but 3 other didnt which are the dragons we know now and show down happened resulting in GS wining, the GS mabe then looked down on his actions changing his way and confronting Acnologia but the battle ended with Acnologia win leading GS to flee and hide from Acnologia and have students which drove him mad
    you can connect that to natsu and zerf , natsu could be the one who changed his mined when he was little and zerf could be one of GS students

    • Another Day - June 25, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

      Uh that was a little hard to read. The way I see it god slayers are a corrupted version of dragon slayer magic. There are a few theories as to how they got this magic.

      1. Fire and wind gods do exist and they taught this magic to humans. Once they realized that the humans might actually try to slay them with it (shocking I know) they banned is usage and prevented any existing god slayers from using it. These god slayers then wrote down how to become a GS so others could take up the cause.

      2. Humans created it from dragon slayer magic. Dragon slayers wanted more power than what they had. To this end they turned to dark magic and corrupted their DS magic. After gaining such power and realizing it was much more powerful than DS magic they named it god slayer magic thinking they could even slay gods with it. The dragons found out about this and put a stop to it. These dark mages again could have passed down the knowledge in some form. This results in it becoming a lost magic.

      3. Humans created it to slay the gods. As in all things eventually humanity gets pissed at the gods for their misfortunes. To end the “tyranny” of the gods humans sought dark, forbidden magic. Learning of DS they instead infused their own dark powers into it. The result was a magic fight to slay gods. As time went on less people began to practice GS magic as it was difficult to learn. As less and less people used it it eventually faded from memory.

      Given that the wind slayer has some connection to zeref it’s possible zeref can reach this dark magic to others similar to how hades taught zancrow his magic (I’m pretty sure hades taught most of the grimoire heart elite their magic). This lets us know that GS magic can be passed down from non users as well.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

        I cannot believe I never thought about theory 2, that was the best one I’ve read

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

        You’re 2nd theory was actually pretty good, another day.

      • Another Day - June 25, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

        I was just putting down theories I’ve always has since zancrow’s introduction. The 2nd theory is the most plausible and the one I like the most.

      • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm #

        @Another Day yh your 2nd theory is quite good especially seeing the fact that GS seems to be like an advanced version of DS…….although how these GS still managed to exist is still to be explained…….

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm #

        It was an awesome theory. Do you have any more on other topics?

      • Another Day - June 25, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

        You mind giving me some other topics then? I’m having a hard time thinking about some lol.

      • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

        @Another Day you want topics to think about inFT……well then just scroll down…….i have given some topics which people usually make theories on…..

    • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

      @G i joe people like you are the reason @bem carved out his insults into existence in this section…….i am not gonna say what’s wrong in your theory(if it even is one)…..i’ll let others handle that job……

      • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

        yeah, Bem is coming and preparing his next line of insults on theories XD
        If that happens don’t let him put you off from making more theories. Its an ok theory.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm #

        You guys are being hypocrites right now.. You can’t talk about Bem insulting people and then go out and insult Bem like there’s nothing wrong with it..

      • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

        @Titus hey i already said before(that comment should be somewhere in the middle of this page)that if @bem is the primary antagonist in FT section them i am the secondary antagonist………as far as @Karakura is concerned he referred himself to as the protagonist because he said “I bash on people who bash on people”…….

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

        Sorry, didn’t mean to include you when I was saying that..

        But ya, let’s continue with these Fairy Tail discussions! Seeing some awesome ideas come out!

      • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

        yeah…..what are the most unanswered questions questions/mysteries in FT???
        Everything related to X777 incidents
        Zeref
        God Slayers
        Kagura’s relation to Jellal
        The DS’s original parents
        Eclipse Plan
        Lumen Histoire
        Mavis’s Death
        Sting and Rogue’s element
        What else is there that people everyone wants to know????

      • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

        I care more about Sting and Rogue’s element right now lol

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:19 am #

        Sting is an iron dragon slayer like gajeel. We’ve seen him eat the tip of an arrow in his introduction.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 26, 2012 at 12:23 am #

        but there is lachryma and natural elements to take into account

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:29 am #

        Either way one of his elements is iron. It doesn’t matter if he has a different element lachryma inside him or not. The only problem I have with them having a different element lachryma is the whole Dragonforce problem. If they do have a different element lachryma that means they have access to dragon force at any time. If this is the case then they need to activate to use the other elemental power. The only question is whether their Dragonforce is the true Dragonforce like natsu’s or the artificial one like laxus and cobra.

  21. Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Why do you guys think Wendy’s not able to heal herself? Was talking about this with some other dudes in another forum.

    I thought for sky dragons healing yourself would be like the same as eating your own attack.

    • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

      Well Charle said to Lily that Wendy can’t heal her own powers or recover lost magic power in the Grimiore Heart Arc……..yeah i too think that it would be like eating our own attack……or maybe she’s not advanced enough to heal herself……

    • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

      Ohh… I meant heal her self……instead of heal her own powers….

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

        I just thought it’s weird that she can’t hear herself but Chelia can.. :/

        Their magic is pretty much the same.

      • Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

        Yeah but Chelia is a lunatic from Lamia Scale and a God Slayer…….after seeing Zancrow you show know what crazy retards these GS are…….

    • Another Day - June 25, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

      Wendy can eat the air to power herself up just like natsu can eat fire. She did it to use that attack that knocked Chelia out for like 1 second.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

        Ya.. I know that.. but was wondering why she couldn’t heal herself like Chelia..

      • Another Day - June 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

        Well she should be able heal herself by eating the air. This isn’t healing in the sense she recovers from her wounds but she can fight for longer. It’s like how natsu ate the fire and beat gajeel. She has an unlimited supply of air to eat from. The only downsize is that Chelia has the same advantage. As for her healing maybe it doesn’t work on wind dragon slayers. Maybe she can’t heal others like her similar to how dragon slayers can’t eat the element they produce i.e. natsu can’t eat his own fire.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 8:56 pm #

        She can’t constantly eat the air to recover magic though. She’ll run out of oxygen.

      • Another Day - June 25, 2012 at 9:27 pm #

        It’s called breathing. She can’t run out of oxygen for the sane reason we can’t run out of oxygen. We breathe it in all the time. She can’t deplete the air in the environment. She releases it every time she breathes out. Trees release it. She can’t run out of oxygen. We’ve seen her eat air. She just sucks it up: she can’t continuously suck it in but she can suck it in as many times as she wants.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

        Wrong, sir..

        http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/43592359/18

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:15 am #

        1. Two people were eating the air.
        2. That doesn’t mean she can’t continuously do it. She’s sucking up the air around her. Once she stops the air returns. Air is every where. She can’t deplete the oxygen in an area.
        3. It’s harder for everyone else to breathe because there is less air in the immediate area. It’s like standing next to say a black hole (terrible comparison I know but let me make my point). A black hole would suck in everything around it. Lets say you could stand next to it. It would harder to breathe (impossible really) because you’re standing near the event that is depleting the air around you. In Wendy’s case she eats the air by sucking it in. This means the air is always concentrated near her so she can suck it in whenever she wants. Other people can’t because the air they’re breathing is going towards Wendy. Now take that and add another person into the mix.

        All you’ve really proven is that it’s dangerous for her to do it when she’s around people. You haven’t proven she can’t do it continuously. As long as she does it in bursts and not in one fell swoop then she and everyone else will be fine.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 1:00 am #

        1. Whether two people were eating it or not doesn’t change the fact that there’s a limit to how much air they can eat.

        2. The oxygen won’t return immediately. There has to be limits to them eating air or they’ll be too hax.

        3. Wendy eats the air, she doesn’t suck it in and hold it. After she eats it, it’s gone. She can’t use it anymore. So the lack of oxygen effects her as well..

        Once or twice during a battle would probably be her limit. Take into consideration that battles don’t usually last that long. Even though it seems long to us, by the end of the fight most likely only 5 minutes would’ve passed for them.

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 1:37 am #

        1. We haven’t seen any limit. There is no limit to how much natural fire natsu can consume so why us there a limit for her? It does matter that the two of them were eating the air. When Wendy eats the air no one complains of having breathing problems. When Chelia began sucking up the air with Wendy people started having problems. That means alone they can’t deplete the air around them fast enough to suffocate.

        2. The oxygen does return immediately. Air fills a room very quickly There doesn’t have to be a limit. Sky DS magic isn’t offensive. It does have offensive capabilities but for the most part it’s been a support magic. This is symbolized by Wendy’s role in fighting that dragon robot in Edolas. Her powers are hardly worthy of mentioning hax. If natsu or gajeel fought her she would lose even if she could eat all the air she wanted. Not being able to eat it whenever and how ever many times she wants would be too constricting.

        3. She are the air but she had to suck it in. If what you’re saying is true both Wendy and Chelia should have gotten lightheaded from depleting so much air. They didn’t. It’s very easy to just inhale the air while you’re eating it. When Chelia was struck with Wendy’s secret dragon slayer attack she sucked in the air around her while she feigned unconsciousness to heal back up. Wendy can’t possibly eat all the air around her. Air is continuously being recycled. It’s never depleted completely. When we breathe out we release CO2 into the air. Other life forms utilize this and release oxygen as a “waste” product. If sky dragon slayers could deplete the air around them then it would be too dangerous to use. Take out all the air in a room and then let some air in. By the time you block twice that room will be filled with air. It’s not possible that she could run out of oxygen. I looked at the page you referenced. She did suck in the air but she also ate it. This would mean she isn’t sucking it in. If she isn’t doing that then the air in the surroundings can fill the space around her because she is only eating the air she sucked up.

        Once or twice wouldn’t make sense. As long as she paces herself she can do it as many times as she wants. By not sucking in all the air at once she gives the air around her more time to fill the airless space. She can do it as many times as she wants. The only reason age doesn’t is because fights only last five minutes like you said.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 2:05 am #

        1. Natsu doesn’t have a limit cause fire isn’t constantly around him…

        He can’t constantly eat fire even if he wanted to.. But on the other hand air is constantly around us, and without a limit she could eat air constantly which would be hax.

        She would have unlimited magic power..

        2. Her powers aren’t physically haxed.. If she could constantly eat air(which she cant) she would have unlimited magic power, she wouldn’t run out. Which would be hax..

        3. Of course they weren’t light headed.. Why would they eat enough for them to be light-headed? That’s what they have to avoid by not eating too much, hince the limit..

        Ya, air can’t be completely depleted but it can be depleted enough for her not to be able to breathe..

        As you saw from the link I posted they can deplete the oxygen around them..

        It would be too dangerous to use if someone without the smallest bit of brain used it..

        Anybody who uses it would obviously know of the limit and not exceed the limit, cause they like to breathe..

        Why do you think after running out of magic power Wendy didn’t eat air again to regain it?

        Cause she has a limit..

        Once or twice in a 5 minute or less battle makes sense..

        If she had more time in a fight then yes, she could pace herself and use it more..

        But not in a fight this short…

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 2:52 am #

        1. Has it been stated that natsu can’t constantly eat fire if it was around him? Look at what that secret technique did to Wendy. She was exhausted after she used it. Limiting how many times she can eat air is too big a nerf on her powers. It would make more sense if she couldn’t regain as much strength as natsu does from eating fire because the air is always around her. The advantage to being a sky dragon slayer should that you have unlimited fuel for your attacks. She only has unlimited fuel for her attacks. Attacks that drain most of her power in the process.

        2. Wendy already can’t heal herself. That means she can’t recover from wounds. If you beat her enough she can fall and given her limited offensive capabilities being able to eat air whenever you want isn’t hax. She limited to using the basic DS attacks and get stay boost abilities. Her abilities seem to take a greater toll on her. That’s the nerf to her powers. Natsu can unleash multiple secret DS arts in one fight. Wendy was exhausted from just one. The toll each of those takes is different. Wendy can power up for those attacks as much as she wants but they leave her too exhausted. Look at the state she’s in now.

        3. Hence the limit to others, not to themselves. She limits herself because of those around her. That doesn’t mean she can’t do it as many times as she wants. There is no limit for her. There is no negative aspect to it. The only reason she won’t continuously do it would be because those around her would suffocate. If the people in the stadium found it harder to breathe while Wendy and Chelia were eating the air they would get light headed from lack of oxygen. The only reason they didn’t was because Chelia and Wendy didn’t eat enough to cause that. They could’ve I’d they kept eating.

        If they were in a confined space I’d hand it to you. The thing is that they aren’t. They are outside. Can you grasp how much air is out there? How much air is constantly around them? In five minutes the air that Wendy ate would have come back a thousand times. You can’t possibly deplete the air fast enough. Air is constantly being recycled. It’s always getting pumped back into the world. When Wendy breathes she releases the gas necessary for other life to transform it into oxygen. Wendy only has to eat the air once, wait a minute, and then do it again if she wanted. You may think a minute is a short time but in a fight a minute is an eternity.

        You think she eats the air and then there is a just an airless space around her for 3 minutes? No. Air, gas fills the container it’s in. The air around her will always fill the space. It’s not like water where if you pump some into a container with a wall dividing to sides. If the wall has a slight opening at the top the water won’t jump over it. Air however will slip right through that sucker and both sides will be filled with breathable air completely. It’s not like one side will be filled with air while the other side is airless.

        Look at what Wendy has to do to eat the air. She has to suck it up first and then eat it. In the time it takes her to do that her opponent can attack her and she would be defenseless. That’s why she doesn’t do it all the time. It leaves her open. If she trted now Chelia would just knock her out. It’s not a limit in her powers. If anything it’s a self imposed limit. She can do it but she won’t.

        Once or twice in a five minute battle makes sense because she would actually have to fight. She can’t spend it eating. If she does she leaves herself open to attack. All it takes is one good jab and it can knock her out. She’d be to hurt to eat or do anything. She would need to play dead like Chelia did and then eat the air. Once she does that and attacks her opponent will know to make sure she’s unconscious. Once again it’s a self imposed limit, not a inherent one.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 3:32 am #

        1. Looks like you misunerstood this point.. re-read it plz..

        I said he can’t constantly eat fire cause fire isn’t always around him. So, he doesn’t need a limit…

        Having unlimited magic power is too hax..

        2. If she had more magic power she could still fight.. she said that herself..

        3. Ok.. why would others suffocate from the lack of oxygen and not her? She’s still human, she needs to breathe..

        Despite there being so much air they can still drain the oxygen enough to suffocate themselves.. remember the link I posted?

        You even just said yourself that people can suffocate from it.. you’re contradicting yourself..

        lol.. a minute may seem like an eternity for the person fighting but in reality it’s still a short period of time..

        Ok.. eating leaves her open. But wait, then what is she doing here?

        http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/43592359/18

        Oh wow, look. She’s eating in front of her opponent.. She’s not open for long. If she could still eat she would..

        Also Chelia didn’t play dead and eat air.. she healed herself.. Eating doesn’t recover your wounds..

        If she could eat she would..

        It’s an inherent limit..

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 4:09 am #

        1. I understood it. I asked you whether or not natsu could eat fire as many times as he wanted if it was around him all the time. Re-read that part again because I don’t think you understood it.

        2. Just because she can fight doesn’t mean she would be able to. If natsu is beat to shit but gets up he can still fight. He still has some magic left. That doesn’t mean he’ll win (it does of course because main character status is all powerful). Even if Wendy had unlimited fuel she can’t heal herself with her magic so she will succumb to her wounds. It’s not hax in her case. For anyone else yes. For her? No.

        3. Re-read what I said. Wendy concentrates the air around her by sucking it in and then eating it. That means that the air is around her while she eats only some of it. She can still breathe because the air is around her. The only reason I said others would suffocate was an example of what would happen if she continuously ate the air in one go as opposed to short bursts. I didn’t contradict myself. You just didn’t understand what I said. No one in the page you provided was suffocating. They found it harder to breathe. That means that there wasnt as much air around them as there used to be. This would mean that Wendy and Chelia sucking in the air together is enough to lower the amount of oxygen in the immediate area. It took the two of them together to produce that effect. That means alone wendy would have to eat the air continuously at a constant rate to produce the same results.

        It’s funny you point that page out. Let me look at it. Wendy is indeed eating the air. She’s open to attack. Oh look. What’s is Chelia doing while Wendy is eating? She isn’t attacking. She’s saying she wants to do the same! Move over to the next panel and look! She starts eating with Wendy! Maybe that’s why she didn’t attack her! In the time it took Chelia to make that little comment she could’ve attacked Wendy and she would be none the wiser. Hell as soon as Wendy started sucking up the air Chelia could have attacked. That page proves nothing. The only thing it proves is that Chelia us toying with Wendy do using it to refute my claim means nothing because there are gaping holes in Tgat page when used as evidence for your argument.

        How did Chelia heal herself? If she used the god slayer variant to Wendy’s healing how didn’t she see it then? As far as we see Chelia just gets up without a scratch. She didn’t even move while healing herself. What something she can do without moving? Hmmm. Oh I know! Eating the air!

        As you said yourself Wendy must know the limits of her abilities. They are her abilities after all. By that token she must know the effect she will have in others by eating the air in one go. She can but she doesn’t because a. In a confined space it would end up hurting her and b. when around others it could harm them.

        I’ve only said she can eat as many times as she wants. Eating it continuously is dangerous for everyone else and in some cases for her as well. That’s the point you don’t seem to understand no matter how many times I say it. She can eat as much as she wants as long as its in short bursts and not in one big go.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 4:35 am #

        1. Sure, if he constantly had fire around him he probably could constantly eat fire..

        2. If Wendy’s beat up but has magic power left she can still fight..

        Remember her fight with the dragon in Edolas? She was beat up and Natsu told her to pull out whatever magic power she had left so she could fight..

        Her having unlimited magic power would mean she could constantly fight for however long she wanted to..

        Pretty hax right? That’s why there’s a limit to her eating air..

        3. lol, where are you getting this? The air doesn’t stay around her, she eats it..

        She’s effected by the lack of oxygen too.. Not just the people watching the fight..

        If others are gonna suffocate from her constantly eating the air then she’s gonna suffocate too..

        You did contradict yourself.. You said that Wendy could suffocate other people by eating too much air right? Oh but wait, you also said that the air couldn’t be depleted that much right? Contradiction..

        You’re right, she would have to eat air more to produce the same effects, but that doesn’t change the fact that there’s a limit..

        In another scenario she would just have less of a limit..

        Ok.. When Wendy started eating air do you think she expected Chelia to do the same? No..

        Do you think Wendy would intentionally leave herself open like that? No…

        Wendy eating air wouldn’t leave her open to attacks.. If she could eat air, she would..

        Another thing backing up this point.. Out of all the times that Natsu has eaten fire has anyone even once attacked him while he was eating? No…

        That page and many others does prove that when dragon slayers eat their respective element they’re not open to attacks..

        Oh and ya, cause you can eat without moving now right..? Dude, eating your own respective element doesn’t even heal your wounds it replenishes your magic power.

        Chelia healed herself, she didn’t eat… I don’t know how though since she isn’t even supposed to be able to heal herself.. Maybe by using Zeref’s power or something..

        I’m telling you, Wendy can’t eat as much as she wants.. she’ll run out of oxygen.. she’ll endanger not only herself but everyone else..

        If she could eat air right now she would..

        Looks like you understand that there’s a limit to her eating. You know she can’t eat a lot in one go, but you’re not realizing that a fight is short.. There aren’t that many short bursts she can use in a short fight..

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

        1. Well that’s what I was asking.

        2. That’s not hax at all. She doesn’t have unlimited magic power. She can run out. Eating the air only gives her fuel for one more attack and seeing how much of a toll one attack took on her it’s highly doubt she can continue to sustain herself in battle long enough to really take advantage of that ability.

        3. Where are you getting your information? Look at the page you provided. In it Wendy concentrates the air around her by sucking it in. When she eats it it takes the form what looks like a cloud or puff of air. In that page she didn’t eat the air in one big chomp. There was a lot of air around her so she could easily breathe in the air she wasn’t eating at the time. Looks like that page is helping me more than it did for you.

        I’m not surprised you don’t understand. I clearly stated that if Wendy continued to eat the air continuously without stopping she would eventually deplete the air faster than it can form. In that case it would suffocate. I said she limits herself to eating in short bursts so that it doesn’t happen. It’s a self imposed limit like I said. The only limit is the one she places on herself. Pay attention.

        She should’ve. Just because no one in the world of FT is smart enough to think “get he’s just standing there eating let me attack him!” doesn’t mean it doesn’t leave them open. You want to talk about natsu? Fine. When natsu was handed the flame of rebuke zero could have attacked him right there. When natsu was eating etherion jellal could’ve attacked him right there. He was wide open! They didn’t because like the majority of villians in this manga they’re morons that allow their opponent to powerup in front if them. Natsu’s as bad as Wendy in this regard. Hell he’s worse.

        Oh I’m sorry. Go lay down in bed eat something. Are you moving? No. Chelia’s food is all around her. She doesn’t have to move her body to eat it. She just has to move her mouth. Your point is ridiculous.

        You’re attributing zeref’s magic to her and you don’t even know whether she has any of his magic. Her connection to him is most likely based on her god slayer magic. You don’t know how she healed herself but you’re willing to strike down a possible theory for one that is less likely true. God slayer magic is more powerful than dragon slayer magic. We’ve never seen zancrow eat flames when he was hurt. We have no idea whether the same rules apply to them.aybe her healing magic does work on herself. Maybe eating the air does heal her or maybe it was zeref’s magic. You don’t enough about god slayers to disprove this.

        I’m telling you she can eat as much as she wants. What’s stopping her from eating it now? She has more than enough air around her. Oh wait. Maybe it’s the shock of realizing your strongest attack didn’t do anything to your opponent and you’re about to be curb stomped across the pavement. It’s ridiculous you’re using the last page of this chapter to justify yourself. All we were shown was wendy thinking she won and then in shock from seeing Chelia get up like nothing happened. Cut to the next page and it’s just a shot of jellal thinking to himself. You’re thinking is a bit off.

        This is where your whole argument plebe ones rather pointless. I said could eat as much air as she wants as long as its in short bursts. I never said anything about battle. In battle she probably wouldn’t have time to eat her ass off so she only does it twice. Let’s say that’s how it goes. I said that Wendy can go outside on a warm summers day and eat as many times as she wants. There is no limit other than the one she imposes on herself. You’re talking about in combat where she doesn’t have the time to eat a hundred square meals. Your argument just rolls off a cliff at this point.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:30 pm #

        2. Eating air doesn’t limit her to one attack.. it’s just that her new attack required all of her magic power..

        3. She didn’t gather air around her.. she sucked it in and ate it..

        I swear it’s like you’re forcing yourself to reply.. that’s what I said..

        Also that’s not what you would call a self-imposed limit.. if she doesn’t eat more cause eating more is gonna suffocate her, that’s not a limit she’s putting on herself…

        They’re not morons.. you’re putting your own opinion in this now.. I brought out facts from the manga, you can’t deny it now..

        Ummm ya, did you not see her have to suck in air to gather and eat it? She can’t do that while sitting still..

        Sure, I’ll give you that but still she didn’t eat.. Like I just pointed out she can’t eat while staying still like that. She had to have healed herself. Dunno how, but it’s the only thing that makes sense..

        Ok, how much you wanna bet, next chapter she won’t eat.. 5 bucks on she won’t eat..

        wtf are you talking about? Were we not talking about her battle right now..? Who cares how much she can eat on a warm sunny day? It doesn’t matter..

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:35 pm #

        Wow – long coversation.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

        The dude doesn’t wanna admit he’s wrong..

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

        I don’t find that too be surprising,he can be apain in the ass but don’t let him get to you.

        You know….i think he has “that” Technique….the one that Neji and CosomG have.If so then he is indeed a powerful opponent,i think you can handle him though,i have faith in you.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

        Nah.. it’s different that what Neji has.. He doesn’t say I’m right and you’re wrong. He knows he’s wrong but he has to reply against me anyways even if it doesn’t make sense or doesn’t matter.. it’s weird..

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:49 pm #

        I don’t think that Neji CosomG and Another Day know their wrong – that’s the power of the technique.It’s a self inflicted Genjutsu that makes them think that there right about everything.People like them can be hard to defeat cause even if they’re wrong you have to prove to them that they are and make them realize it.They could win the battle despite being wrong because of their incredible defience.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

        I takes this back^

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

        nvm, too late

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

        @Uchiha

        Guess you’re right.

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

        Be brave – don’t give up don’t let, thembeat you.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:53 pm #

        Sorry, didn’t wanna start something pointless.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 26, 2012 at 11:54 pm #

        But it’s too late anyways he’s probably gonna reply on it.

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 26, 2012 at 11:56 pm #

        It’s not piontless,the fact that you’re gaining knowledge and experience shows that it’s not.If it wasn’t from this then you wouldn’t have gain more experience against their infamous technique and you wouldn’t have gained the knowledge that i’m passing on for you.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 27, 2012 at 1:05 am #

        @Another Day

        I see what you mean when you said she gathered the air around her. But as you can see on the next page, that air’s not there anymore. She’s ate it all so she can’t breathe it.

      • Another Day - June 27, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

        You haven’t provided anything that proves to me that I’m wrong. I’ve had a answer for everything you’ve said. Nothing you’ve said convinces me otherwise. You say you didn’t want this to turn into anything but you keep replying too. Why don’t you just stop? You also say I don’t admit when I’m wrong. The same could be said of you. You don’t know if you’re right. You’re just assuming you are and treating my opinion as incorrect be ause it doesn’t fit what you want. You have some very hypocritical views just from that statement.

        I figure it’s best to just leave this as a difference in opinion and walk away. No fuss no muss. If it makes you feel any better I’m sorry for wasting your time then though you did waste your own time and could’ve stopped when you wanted but whatever.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 27, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

        I used manga facts several times, you denied them all with your opinion..

        Also I meant I didn’t want to start an argument from what I said about you not admitting your wrong, I don’t mind talking about the subject we were on before but whatevs..

        I’m not saying you’re wrong cause you don’t agree with me though.. I have brought stuff from the manga several times.. I’m saying your opinion is incorrect cause it doesn’t fit with the manga not my opinion..

        I know I’m right cause what I’m saying fits with the manga.. You did have me on one point though..

        At some point you even started agreeing with me while still saying I’m wrong..

        You even tried to change the subject we were talking about to try and make your point right..

        Remember saying this? :

        This is where your whole argument plebe ones rather pointless. I said could eat as much air as she wants as long as its in short bursts. I never said anything about battle. In battle she probably wouldn’t have time to eat her ass off so she only does it twice. Let’s say that’s how it goes. I said that Wendy can go outside on a warm summers day and eat as many times as she wants. There is no limit other than the one she imposes on herself. You’re talking about in combat where she doesn’t have the time to eat a hundred square meals. Your argument just rolls off a cliff at this point.

        We were talking about the battle the whole time and then you say we weren’t..

        You also agreed with my point about Wendy only being able to eat 2 times during a battle, while still trying to say I’m wrong by trying to change the subject of the debate..

      • Titus Yoshi - June 27, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

        Again, I don’t mind talking about this subject. I just didn’t want to start a pointless argument on what I said about you not admitting you’re wrong..

      • CosomG - June 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm #

        @Titus and Another Day Why can’t both of you just shut the hell up and agree to disagree? I’ve done it.

        @Uchiha Stop being a prick. Please first off there is no such thing as Jutsu’s second off I’ve never used that “Jutsu”. Just because you don’t agree with what I say and that I’ll prove my point by any means doesn’t mean that I’m trying to be “right”. All I want is to get my point across and for you to at least understand what I’m saying but you were always too ignorant to realize that. Just because I have a different opinion, and will express and defend it doesn’t mean that I’m trying to be right. Also you can’t talk about me when you’ve always wanted to be right and don’t lie and say that you don’t. The way you speak in your comments and the tone in them gives it away. Also you never hear anyone talk about whenever you’re in a tough spot you happen to be “just joking”. Stop being a bitch because someone doesn’t agree with you, will tell you why, and will defend himself and what he says. I’m tired of seeing your fantasy posts. This stuff only happens in YOUR head. No one else’s says anything about me wanting to be right. Just because we don’t agree, and I don’t agree with you 98% of the time doesn’t mean you have to be a little bitter bitch and try to put blame on me. Also like I said if I do always want to be right in your world then we all know that you try to be right when you’re in an argument even if someone is just talking about their opinion on something that involves the Manga and some things that doesn’t involve the Manga. So if I’m always trying to be right by your standards then you always want to be right by everyone else’s. The pot can’t talk about the kettle.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 27, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

        CosomG, you just said you want to express and defend your opinion to Uchiha.. Why can’t we do the same…?

      • CosomG - June 27, 2012 at 5:33 pm #

        I’m not saying that you can’t and that you shouldn’t but when you’ve been arguing for about an entire day you should just agree to disagree.

      • The World Begins With You - June 27, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

        The facts you brought up were denied by real world logic. I didn’t pull that out of thin air. I used real world phenomenon to discredit the “facts” you brough up which were really only assumptions based on short battles where wendy really didn’t do anything. There is nothing opinionated about facts.

        Your opinion is not what has been specifically stated in the manga. No where has it said that wendy can only eat the air twice and then she gets full. You’re basing your opinion based on the fact that she has never been in battle long enough to do it more than two times. I’m basing mine on the on the abilities of the other dragon slayers and real world logic. If real world logic doesn’t apply to FT then thats a different story.

        What you’re saying fits the manga about as much as what I said. You’re drawing your concusion off of what you were shown in the manga which isn’t bad but you don’t see every minute of their lives. You haven’t been told specifically how wendy’s powers work so if you want the cop out that she can only do it twice based on short battles then go ahead.

        You missed the entire point of the first post. I explained that she should be able to eat the air an unlimited number of times to fuel her attacks. This is a generalization that does not take current events into consideration. If we were to put her outside she would be able to eat the air as many times as she wants as long as its in short bursts. You then brought up the battle which was not what I specifically started by that statement so while I began to go off on a one topic you broke in and started another which was not what I had intended. I should have made it clearer I suppose so for that I’m sorry.

        My point about wendy being able to eat the air more than twice if the battle lasted long enough still stands for the same reason she can eat air whenever she wants. Just because she has never been given the opportunity to (or has been given enough screen time to show anything) doesn’t discredit this exactly.

        I agreed only to the point where she can only eat it twice because the battles are too short. I agreed only to that because I can see the sense in that. She can’t spend the whole time eating. I didn’t change the subject. I still continued that line of discussion by bringing in other examples. What you quoted was an example. Thats notchanging the subject. I always maintained that if the battles were longer she would have more time to eat. It’s possible that you can get away with eating maybe twice in a battle but after that your opponent shouldn’t be dumb enough to let you do it. See? Thats real world logic. Your opponent will always attack you when you decide to power up or arm yourself or w/e. If the villians in FT don’t follow logic then that is, again, another point entirely.

        I still find that statement insulting to the point where I don’t know whether or not I want to continue this if you’re just going into it with the “I’m right, you’re wrong and you just won’t admit it mentality”. I’m wrong because I know that what is shown in the manga isn’t what is always happening? The argument itself hinges upon wendy’s battle abilities and that it would be too hax. However if I were to beat her repeatedly with a club until she is falls into a coma eating air won’t help her. She has fuel for her attacks. That’s it. If she misses she becomes exhausted and open to attack. If she hits but she isn’t strong enough to damage her opponent she becomes exhausted and open to attack. I don’t see any scenario where her supposed ability to eat air whenever she wants helps her out so tremendously that it would be overpowered.

      • Another Day - June 27, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

        @CosomG Which is what I said already but apparently I’m the moron that doesn’t take his own advice. (I also posted as TWBWY because I’m on my computer and it saved that name. If you were wondering.)

      • CosomG - June 27, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

        @Another Day “Which is what I said already but apparently I’m the moron that doesn’t take his own advice.” You said it… Not me. And I was wondering thanks for clarifying.

      • Another Day - June 27, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

        @CosomG …Yeah. I know I said it. That’s why its, you know, posted under my name. No problem. I didn’t even realize that it posted under TWBWY until it posted. I’ve gotten my point across. If he wants to think I’m wrong and won’t admit it then thats fine. No point in arguing after he said that so let me be a smart guy and follow my advice this time.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 27, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

        Rea world facts don’t apply to manga, dude…

        I didn’t say she’d get full.. After 2 times she’d have to stop because of lack of oxygen.. You even agreed with this, did you not?

        It’s common sense.. the dude said that it was already getting hard to breathe after they had only eaten the air once..

        If they eat anymore they wouldn’t be able to fight to their full potential, or they’d suffocate from lack of oxygen..

        You read One Piece right? Remember when Luffy and co. had gone to sky island? At first cause of the lack of oxygen the whole crew together wasn’t able to defend against one guy. If Wendy eats anymore she probably won’t suffocate, but she won’t be able to really fight to her full potential, the same as what happened with Luffy and co.

        Ok, thought we were talking about the battle.. The whole time I was saying she wouldn’t be able to eat more than twice in a battle, not in the entire dday..

        Again, the whole time I thought we were talking about the battle.. When you said “Oh, on a warm sunny day she could eat air as much as she wants”, I was like wtf.. Cause I didn’t know that was the point you were trying to make the entire time..

        I thought you were also talking about the battle so when you said that it seemed like you were trying to change the subject…

        Also it’s not that the FT villains don’t use logic.. It would make sense if it was one of them that was being retarded and not using a clear opening to attack, but all of them? No way.. Natsu’s fought some of the smartest guys in FT, and they didn’t even attack him while he was eating..

        Makes more sense if they can’t attack him, rather than they’re all just morons..

        That’s why I was saying I wanted to take it back, as to not insult you and start a pointless argument..

        See, in the manga Wendy was beaten to a pulp before.. When this happened just pulling out more magic power was able to help her keep on fighting..

        Remember when Natsu, Wendy, and Gajeel fought that edolas Dragon? They were completely exhausted and pulling out more magic power was able to help them keep on fighting..

        So, with that, Wendy being able to constantly eat air and gain more magic power would be pretty hax..

        Also, she most likely won’t miss. Seems like her two new moves are too big for someone to just dodge or for her to miss..

      • Titus Yoshi - June 27, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

        Shouldn’t put out your point and not read the other person’s…

        You should read it to see if you change your mind.. if you don’t then, whatevs..

      • KarakuraNinja - June 27, 2012 at 6:34 pm #

        just for the record… I spent an hour reading this entire argument….

        I’ll summarise why you both should quit this debate. You both have good points, you use evidence well but you cannot seem to actually disprove one another’s theories because they are both viable. Its more a matter of a sense of pride in my opinion from a neutral observer’s point of view, you two aren’t able to realise that both your theories work but we cannot determine which one is right because:
        1) lack of evidence to refute your theories
        2) Mashima doesn’t give a sh** about how Wendy sucks air in technical detail so we may never find out which one of you are right
        3) Your arguments are going in circles, its not getting anywhere no matter how good your arguments are, its hard for you to acknowledge each other like this

        Uchiha you didn’t bother to read their debates and instantly labelled Another Day as using a genjutsu on himself, well let me tell you something, you’re under a genjutsu that makes you think you are as great as an Uchiha, for example the Madara/Tobi comparisons you make and ffs get rid of that Sasuke neck profile picture, it looks kinda gay XD

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 27, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

        @CosomG

        The only time i say that i’m joking is when people are taking an obvoius joke as if it was seroiusly,so i say that i was joking to further clraify things,and i know and understand everything that you mean,but you do try to be right.By telling someone how their wrong and how you see things shows that you are because you think that what you say is right and try to get that piont across.

        I don’t hate you or anything.Stop taking things seroiusly.

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

        @Uchiha Obviously you don’t know the concept of always wanting to be right. Go back and look its rare when I say I’m right and you’re not. Now I do point out where you’re wrong but I never do that to try to make myself right. I point it out because it’s useless to argue with someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about/someone who doesn’t have their facts straight. But when ever you’re in a bad spot you try to get out of it by saying you’re joking. You have very little proof of me saying that I’m right. But I have a shitload of proof that involves you trying to be right or joking if you get put in a bag spot. For instance you tried to proof how you’re right the last time we argued in the Naruto Section and maybe a week ago or later then that you said when you were older and strong or whatever you said you’d come and get me and Another Day but as soon as someone called you out you started saying you were joking. You also say you’re joking when you’re attacking someone but the other person gets the upper hand or if you do something ignorant and/or offensive and someone calls you out, Etc. If you’re going to judge someone else then expect to be judged as well. I don’t point out people’s faults because I want to be right I point them out because I see no point in arguing with someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about and someone who doesn’t have their facts straight. And like I said before if I’m always trying to be right then so are you and I was told the Pot Can’t Talk About The Kettle so shut the hell up. You’re the only person who thinks I always want to be right but there’s a lot of people that know what I said about you is correct.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

        HAHAHA!!! how do you like that Uchiha, he just called you out for the times you keep saying ‘I’m joking’ after starting a war. Are you going to say you are joking again?? C’mon I dare you ;)

        Anyway why do you have Sasuke’s neck as your profile picture, I’ve asked you many times but you ignore me, and once when I asked you instantly changed your picture instead for a while and then changed it back after to avoid embarrassment for making yourself look like a Kishi (as in Uchiha lover) XD

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 28, 2012 at 8:41 pm #

        It’s not “whenever i get in a bad spot” it’s when someone takes what i’m saying as if it’s seroius that i say i’m joking cause it’s obvoius that they didn’t understand it in the first place.Even when i say something stupid it can be taking seroius then i would have to tell the person that it’s a joke for them to understand.

        he didnt’ get the upperhand – he came out of nowhere and started bashing me cause he thought i was seroiusly so i told him what was happening,You don’t actually say that your right and i’m wrong – it’s the way that you argue that says that.

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 9:29 pm #

        And here you go with the Bullshit again Uchiha. I’ve given examples and you’re still denying. You see even now you’re trying to be right. You can’t talk about me when you’re doing what you’ve been claiming I’ve been doing also I can literally go back to the day that I first starting posting at this place and prove to you what I’ve been saying. You’ve been trying to be right, denying shit, and starting shit and then act like you’re joking since I first started reading the comments and since I started posting here.

      • Uchiha Sasuke Vs Uzumaki Naruto - June 28, 2012 at 9:31 pm #

        I’m not seroius when i’m on here – both of us have already covered that.Just cause you don’t realize that i’m joking deosn’t mean that i’m not. I’m senidng you a message on MG.

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

        And here you go again bullshiting! Creating excuses as always. Like I said you’re trying to be right. You can’t talk about me when you’re doing what you’re accusing me of doing. All the excuses you’ve created were and are pathetic and you only joke two times

        1. When you take advantage of someone’s mistake and actually make a Joke

        2. When you talk shit and then end up putting yourself in a tough spot. You did that Agaisnt me, Neji, and maybe even Titus!

        And here you go with another bullshit excuse. You’re not serious when you’re on here? Really? Now not only are you a coward but you’re a lying one. Congrats. And you wonder why you’re a joke to ALL of us.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

        and Uchiha’s profile picture is Sasuke’s neck…
        Answer me godammit, are you afraid to exit the closet??

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

        @Uchiha Even though you behave immature at times what you said at MG was very very Mature. What you said there only makes every immature thing you’ve done erased. Let’s put this behind us. If you don’t mention or countinue neither will I.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 10:33 pm #

        now you have gotten me curious as to what it is he sent u XD

      • Titus Yoshi - June 28, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

        lol.. I read it. It was actually surprisingly mature..

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

        Hahahaha. I was surprised with what he said.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 28, 2012 at 10:38 pm #

        Ya, same.. Thought it was gonna be something retarded like a sexy babe challenge or something..

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

        so how come I seem to be completly ignored when I mention Uchiha’s profile picture?
        Its like that comment doesn’t exist everytime I mention it. Heck I bet this comment doesn’t exist to any of you.

        Can anyone read what he sent you, i’m checking mangagate now

      • Titus Yoshi - June 28, 2012 at 10:46 pm #

        Yes. Anyone can read your visitor messages in M;G. Unless you set it up so that only your friends can see it.

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 10:48 pm #

        Bro we ALL see your comment… Uchiha Just Ignores it.

        @Uchiha Please change your avatar so that we can stop seeing @KNinja asking the same question.

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

        Yeah he left it as a Vistor Message and I said something back.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

        Finally some acknowledgment lol

        I found it odd that no one besides me pointed out he has Sasuke’s neck as his profile picture lol
        I thought considering how everyone makes jokes about his Uchiha obsession that I could spark a new set of jokes, but somehow that failed…

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

        I read it… but he could’ve just posted it here, it would’ve been a lot easier, maybe he just wanted to make use of MG in some way…

      • Titus Yoshi - June 28, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

        He probably just felt embarassed about it and didn’t want everyone to see it..

        Also me thinks it’s better to talk about stuff over there so our convos don’t bury the manga discussions..

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 11:05 pm #

        That plan failed terribly Hahahaha but I’m guessing he posted on MG because he wanted it to be a bit more private.

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

        Yeah. Manga Spoiler should make people create accounts and be able to PM (Private Message) someone. That’ll make this site great.

      • Titus Yoshi - June 28, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

        lol, tis what I just said.. :/

        But, back to Fairy Tail.. of course if you guys want to that is..

        So, who do you guys think will win next chapter?

        My bets on Wendy..

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

        its kinda lame that everyone calls Uchiha gay and an Uchiha lover yet don’t notice his profile picture XD otherwise the jokes would’ve been on a new level. A waste really… :(

        Perhaps, I’ve got my own opinion about why he did that but I’m not gonna troll your resolves/opinions with mine lol

      • Titus Yoshi - June 28, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

        @CosomG

        Ya. If this forum was more like others it would probably be a lot more popular.

        Part of the reason I like this forum though is cause it isn’t like others :/

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

        money on Chelia…. I think LS are gonna be allowed to get ahead.
        I reckon Wendy can win but Mashima will troll her so that Lamia scale don’t fall behind and FT can earn winning points in the epic fights in the end (against ST)

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 11:12 pm #

        I think the forum is good for having live conversations. It isn’t as good archive wise since people don’t usually remember which chaper they posted something in

      • Titus Yoshi - June 28, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

        What do you mean?

      • KarakuraNinja - June 28, 2012 at 11:15 pm #

        its hard to make references to past comments. things get buried for good easily.

        It quicker to comment here and it feels more progressive

      • CosomG - June 28, 2012 at 11:15 pm #

        @Titus Yeah I like this place because it’s different but it gets tiring at time.

        @KNinja IKR

  22. Zeref - June 25, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    This is Comment no. 777…….:-D

    • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

      Zeref must have been involved with Layla’s death and the dragon’s disappearing… for some retardedly unexplainable reason involving lots of 7s.

      Shouldn’t the number 7 symbolise luck?

  23. Another Day - June 25, 2012 at 6:59 pm #

    Hmm. Kagura named her sword nemesis. She also will only unsheathe it to kill jellal. Given jellal’s past it’s possible they met in the tower of heaven. Jellal did try to rebuild it. Perhaps he used the same methods his captors did. He could have kidnapped others to help build the tower. If that’s the case he could have kidnapped kagura’s parents. Once it was known what jellal did she finally had someone to focus that anger on. Another theory could be that he killed someone close to her during the same time as the tower was being built.

    It could be that kagura has a similar situation to Erza. Jella began kidnapping others after becoming evil and kagura was one of those people along with her parents. Maybe her parents were killed by jellal or during the back breaking work. This caused kagura to develop her magic (if she has magic and isn’t just an extremely good swordswoman). Her parents could have also died while trying to escape with her. They sacrificed themselves to save her. There really isn’t much to go on.

  24. Christheman - June 25, 2012 at 11:39 pm #

    So my theory on GS magic is that a dragon originally taught 1 person DS magic an at an unknown point in time he felt he could make it stronger so he relied on dark magic which resulted in it becoming black it was to strong for him to control an went crazy other people eventually learned of it an thinking it was better named it GS magic now I say this because if you actually notice a lot of there moves look the same just named differently I also say the person who used it went crazy cus well lets face it zancrow an chelia are messed up in the head I also believe its related to zeref in some way cus he’s known for his dark magic

    • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

      indeed… lol Zancrow and Chelia are messed up…damn straight!!! Orga is pretty retarded too, he can’t sing XD

      • Titus Yoshi - June 25, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

        lol, wait. How is Chelia messed up?

      • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 11:54 pm #

        She just is… look at her… she smirks while using the powers of darkness and comes back up after being beaten up. She is scary and I wouldn’t want to mess with her (unless I’m bitching behind her back lol), she just looks f***ed up ok lol

      • KarakuraNinja - June 25, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

        how can a brat be so overpowered with darkness, BESIDES Zancrow and Orga are f***ed up, so that makes Chelia f***ed up too!!!

      • KarakuraNinja - June 26, 2012 at 12:01 am #

        also does this look f***ed up to you http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/43592359/25

    • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:17 am #

      So basically your theory is the same as the one I’ve stated?

      • KarakuraNinja - June 26, 2012 at 12:19 am #

        looks like it lol

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:24 am #

        It’s basically the same lol. A human who was taught DS magic corrupted it with dark magic to become the first god slayer. The one problem I have with is how did it spread if the original and only user went crazy? Other people have used it do there must have been a way to learn it without learning DS magic. Why would other people use it at the cost of their sanity?

      • KarakuraNinja - June 26, 2012 at 12:27 am #

        yeah, maybe God Slayers are mere pawns being exploited by this magic. They were probably talked into it like when someone takes drugs the first time

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:34 am #

        Then it’s too dangerous. Why would you teach zancrow this magic if he would go vessel when he learned it? Chelia and zancrow ate clearly still there (mentally). They’re not rampaging monsters. They can think and plan. They may not have all their marbles but they’re still mentally present. Their existence kind of discredits his theory.

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:34 am #

        Then it’s too dangerous. Why would you teach zancrow this magic if he would go vessel when he learned it? Chelia and zancrow are clearly still there (mentally). They’re not rampaging monsters. They can think and plan. They may not have all their marbles but they’re still mentally present. Their existence kind of discredits his theory.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 26, 2012 at 12:36 am #

        maybe they can risk it. You know like they can succumb to the darkness like Riki/Terra in KH

      • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:43 am #

        Well this is the thing though. Riku became weaker. He was still really strong but as much power as he gained it didn’t help him. He used all the power ansem had to give and he still couldn’t beat sora. Riku really is the worst example to use seeing as he lost his body because he gave into the darkness. The same could be said for terra. He became weaker too. He couldn’t resist xehanort when he took over his body. The darkness lowered his true strength. The risk in their case was not worth the reward.

      • KarakuraNinja - June 26, 2012 at 10:52 am #

        good point, but I’m not talking about strength really but rather their mentality/personality

  25. KarakuraNinja - June 26, 2012 at 12:18 am #

    Chapter 289 – Tiny fist
    Meredy: Oh no, Wendy looks drained against that God Slayer, Jellal better make it in time
    Ultear: Don’t worry, she till hasn’t used her 2nd magic supply that I gave her yet
    Wendy: I gotta…*panting
    flashback images of Elfman in bed, Natsu wishing her luck, Erza bandages, Fairy Tail cheering.
    Wendy: For the guild… I gotta win!!!
    Chelia: I don’t want to hurt you anymore but I want to win too for my guild!!!
    Wendy: …my magic power is back!!! this is a second chance!!
    Chelia: …
    Wendy: Sky dragon roar!!!
    Chelia evades
    Commentator: Oh my look at those tiny fists go… its so cute!! Oh my I love little girls!!!
    Lahar: …that is slightly disturbing
    Yajima: I have to go with Lahar on that one…
    Wendy stands over a fallen Chelia
    Wendy: To have to use the same tactics again… there will not be anymore chances…
    Chelia starts sucking the air
    Wendy: I won’t let you!!!
    Wendy suffocates Chelia
    Chelia: *muffling
    Lyon: No way!!!
    Jura: That is dangerous!!!
    Pumpkin: According to the rules, the fight can go to the death until someone surrenders or is defeated.
    Wendy: Surrender Chelia!!! I don’t want to hurt you!!!
    Jellal: (I hope I’m not too late)
    Chelia’s eyes glow and create a rinnegan pattern
    Wendy: !!!
    Wendy is knocked back
    Chelia: I will kill you!!! (looks possessed)
    Wendy: What… happened!!
    Lucy: Watch out Wendy!!!
    Natsu: No way that is the same eyes as Zancrow!!!
    Makarov: So this is the true power of God slayer magic!!
    Mavis: I sensed you have seen a God slayer in this form 7th master…
    Jet: It’s sixth master
    Droy: No 5th!!!
    Levy: No one cares!!! He is the 3rd guildmaster!!!
    Jet and Droy: Sorry Levy-chan!!!
    Wendy looks frightened
    Poruyluscia: Wendy, she looks like she is in actual danger
    Jellal: I should’ve known, according to Ultear a God slayer loses themselves when they are overtaken by their darkness and strong will to survive… I have to save Wendy!!!
    Doranbalt: Mystogan!!! Please tell me…. is Wendy in danger!
    Jellal turns around and looks shocked since he is spotted by a council member
    Jellal stands facing Doranbalt in the seating area
    Caption: Can Jellal avoid confrontation with the council and save Wendy!!!
    Next Chapter – Transcending darkness of dragon slayer magic

    • Another Day - June 26, 2012 at 12:21 am #

      Why don’t you just write the manga for him? lol

      • KarakuraNinja - June 26, 2012 at 12:25 am #

        I just do this for fun to keep people excited for next chapter :D
        I took a few theories into account and threw in random garbage like rinnegan eyes lol