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Toriko 「トリコ」 235 Spoilers

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皿の上のスター 食事の用意をするトリコ その光景は小松の目にもハッキリと見えていた

回想
トリコは全身が朽ちて行くイメージを見る 間一髪で逃げたトリコ 森の動物たちは一斉に非難を始める
目の前には愛丸 ルーティーンを繰り出してトリコにイメージを見させた 幻覚では無く逃げなければ実際にそうなっていたという愛丸
トリコの目には愛丸のルーティーンは映らなかった。だが愛丸はじっくり時間を掛けてしたと言う。いくらトリコがノーモーションで技を繰り出したと言っても俺はしていたと言う愛丸。
事実トリコが逃げているのでやっているのは間違いないとトリコが認めようとした所、愛丸『あ、ゴメンしてないやトリコ!俺の思い違いだった!』と言い出す。
秘密は思い込み 思い込みを信じることで思い込みが現実となった結果トリコにあのイメージをさせた 
愛丸は思い込みで自分の体内に潰瘍を作ったりすることが出来る 逆もしかり  病気の患者にでんぷんを薬と偽り飲ませただけで症状が改善すると言う事もある(プラシーボ効果)
イライラは他人に伝わるし愉快な人は周りも愉快にする。それの応用みたいなもん。
集中力×思い込み×自信で発動するアルティメットルーティーン

スターの腕にフォークを一撃決めるトリコ
次週 

細かい話は端折りました

It’s a flashback chapter where Toriko reflects on the training method Aimaru taught him to achieve the Ultimate Routine, the end is Toriko preparing to use it on Stayjun.

Toriko 235 Spoilers Trivia: Shimabukuro stated in an interview for Weekly SHONEN JUMP Alpha that if Toriko was friends with another Jump hero, it would be Goku. However, Toriko has also become friends with Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece in a crossover done by both of their manga artists.

120 Responses to “Toriko 「トリコ」 235 Spoilers”

  1. Tupac - May 31, 2013 at 1:05 am #

    @Leptor, @nickname

    I really appreciate your rebuttal’s regarding the topic, by the way. A lot better than the usual “lolno fak u, one piece is flawless”, response I generally receive when debating this topic…

  2. Leptor - May 31, 2013 at 2:22 am #

    @ Tupac.

    Luffy vs. Lucci- The Anime tends to do that a lot though. Even when it doesn’t necessarily benefit him any more than it would another time. But the Anime is the Anime. It’s really about how the Manga portrays it, though I don’t mind it being used for these types of circumstances (not one of those guys who thinks Anime means zilch…just as long as it doesn’t necessarily contradict the Manga).

    Luffy vs. Crocodile- Luffy uses gatling (or storm or w/e) to counter it. Why do you think Luffy was previously unable to counter it with the same technique?

    And yeah man…I’m all about a fun debate. I tend to keep things civil on my part as long as the person I’m debating with does.

  3. Leptor - May 31, 2013 at 2:22 am #

    ^Which, you do from what I’ve seen. So I appreciate that as well.

  4. dyll47 - May 31, 2013 at 4:12 am #

    It was clear that all of Natsu’s attacks were useless against Max. It doesn’t matter whether who wins at the end. My point is, after the skip, the strongest of FT fell down to average level. I’m pretty sure it’s what the author is trying to imply by that duel.
    So imagine how huge their gap is to the current strongest which is Saber Tooth.

    The second container thing was only mentioned after the time skip. There was no hint that it existed before that nor was it shown that someone else knows about it. If it is present to everyone, then someone else should know about it.

    Gildarts is another reason why FT is silly. The author is trying to copy Shanks too much. Even his appearance is too rare. He’s an FT member. Why is he always absent in the most crucial times? And I can’t believe that Makarov chose someone that careless and uncaring to the guild as the next master. It’s senseless and stupid. The author only does that to excite the fans.

    • Tupac - May 31, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

      That’s… so… ugh..

      Mashima isn’t trying to copy Shanks.
      People stop saying this

      It’s far from the truth. They just happen to have a similar design…

      Their resemblance isn’t even that close for people to go to the extent of saying Mashima blatantly copied him off of Shanks’ character…

      • komori Ningen the OPtard - June 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm #

        @Titus
        If you seriously deny that, you’re either blinded by your fanaticism or …. Or nothing
        You can’t just say that “They just happen to have a similar design” as if both characters were created at the same time
        Gildarts was heavily taken from Shanks, deal with this
        It’s useless to deny it, it makes you look like a Fairytard who blindly ignores facts

  5. dyll47 - May 31, 2013 at 4:47 am #

    I just read the chapter and I guess this explains everything. The Ultimate Routine, the power of the mind and believing, the healing, it all makes sense.
    So aside from Food Immersion, Toriko now knows how to heal himself with the power of his mind. So it wasn’t really Komatsu that magically brought him back to life and powered him up. He already has the ability to do it on his own.

    Hearing the voice of Komatsu and realizing that he’s in trouble just kinda told him to hurry it up.

  6. tobes - May 31, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    Yo guys.

    I stumbled across this one by accident, but I really enjoy reading it. If you like food and interesting characters, u will enjoy this too (: http://www.mangareader.net/shokugeki-no-soma/1

  7. 101nemesis - May 31, 2013 at 12:38 pm #

    I come to site very rarely just to see what people say about Toriko and also to post Toc in the Bleach section. I saw a lot of people here talking as if they haven’t read a manga other than the big 3. So this post is for them.

    It’s true Toriko constantly ranks in the top 5 but that does not mean it’s a good series. It’s a decent series at best that gives a lot of gay vibes. Especially the last 3 chapters. Toriko gained a lot of attention because it’s writer is a close friend of oda. That’s why it got a collaboration chapter and episodes with one Piece. As far its story is concerned, it takes inspiration from many places. The worst thing about Toriko is the lack of character development, which is an essential part in any manga. Komatsu, the main side kick of Toriko is THE WORST character ever made.

    Bleach still sells double of what toriko does each volume and Bleach’s ranks have constantly been rising. The fullbring arc was the lowest point of Bleach’s 12 years. By this time next year, Bleach will definitely be back in the top 5 if not the top 3. One of the biggest advantages Toriko, One Piece, Naruto, Kuroko all have is that they have anime fans supporting them. Bleach no longer has an anime. If Bleach did still have an anime, then it would have already been back in the top 5. People who say sales aren’t everything are wrong and stupid. Sales will always be the biggest goal of JUMP. Sales via magazine sales or Volume sales or merchandise sales.

    Also, for people who are relatively new to manga and don’t know what to read, there are other manga that are better than Toriko in JUMP.

    Assassination Classroom, is overhyped but is fresh and therefore enjoyable for people who like comedy/action. This series did what Toriko failed to do. Sell 600k a volume without an anime. JUMP hyped Toriko quite a bit in the early stages but Toriko failed to live up to that. Problem with assassination classroom is that its characters tend to be bland and sometimes its not funny at all.

    Shokugeki No souma is an actual manga about cooking and food, unlike Toriko. While, I hate the overuse of Ecchi in the series, most seem to love it. It’s an unorthodox battle manga, meaning the battles are cooking battles between people. This series is what ranked 1st this week.

    Beelzebub is unique and has a charm in its own way. It never ranks well but it has a good following. It sells decently. It’s comedy/action. I have no complaints about this series and I enjoy it.

    Kuroko No Basket. Sports manga. I do not read sports manga but I do see sports anime and Kuroko’s anime got me more interested in sports anime. So if you think you can read sports manga, then Kuroko should be for you. The initial 50 chapters have bad art in them but the art improves after that. Also, it sells a little more than Bleach nowadays.

    PSI Kusou Saiki. Funny and interesting. The only problem is that the translations are slow and so far I think only 8 chapters have been released even though, in actuality, over 45 chapters have released in Japan.

    There are series like haikyuu!! and Nisekoi which are also popular. It was announced this week that Nisekoi got an anime. There are crossovers between Haikyuu!! and Nisekoi. I don’t follow both since Haikyuu!! is a sports series (volleyball) and Niskeoi is a romcom.

    Toriko is NOT a bad series. It has its own unique qualities and stuff but its not a series that is worthy of being the top 5. There are things like the main good guys NEVER lose a fight. They always somehow comeback and win it. It doesn’t make sense half the time. They get absolutely random powerups also. Like I said, for me, the biggest drawback in Toriko is the lack of character development and the gay vibes.

    Is there a series that is worse than Toriko to me? Yes. Fairy Tail. It is a bad series that relies on “Nakama” power ups to win every fight. Plus, fairy tail is essentially a copy of so many things together into one manga. And the overuse of Ecchi in the manga is just sad. Hiro tweeted last week, saying that his fans complained about the ecchi quantity in a recent chapter and he apologized on twitter.

    For me (Remember, all this is MY opinion. But the general opinion about Toriko isn’t good either) this is how the normal rank should be in Jump.

    One Piece
    Bleach
    PSI Saiki
    Kuroko No Basket
    Beelzebub
    Naruto
    Assassination Classroom
    Shokugeki No souma
    Gintama
    Toriko
    Nisekoi
    Haikyu!!
    Sket Dance
    Kochikame
    then the usual bottom dwellers.

    • dyll47 - May 31, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

      Ok, now a Bleach fan is alarmed by this manga. Lol.
      Toriko is becoming so popular now that fanboys of other series are getting worried and try to pull it down by giving bad comments and impressions.

      Well as the saying goes, the riper a fruit becomes, the more people would throw stones to try to bring it down.

      • 101nemesis - May 31, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

        Alarmed? o.O

        There is nothing to be alarmed about. Toriko is a disappointment for JUMP. And I was a person who initially liked Toriko a lot. I read about 100 chapters with absolute excitement. More excitement than I read Bleach or other series but as the story went on, its just dipped exponentially. Toriko fans talk way too much that they compare it with the likes of One Piece, Naruto and Bleach. Those series have remained in the top 3 for years and years and sold more than 80 million in japan alone (each of them). Toriko’s sales are anything but amazing and has not ranked in the top 3 enough number of times to be even compared to those other 3 series.

        So please, no one is alarmed. It’s just ignorant of Toriko fans to compare it to those 3 series. It’s a low shot at trying to hype the series up.

      • Kishishishi - May 31, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

        hate posts of that kind, if you dont like toriko so dont read it. Why do most of the people here always have to flame a manga to prove that another manga is great? i dont understand it…

      • 101nemesis - May 31, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

        Simple. When people ask you how is this manga. You don’t tell them “It’s way better than (Bleach, Naruto, One Piece etc etc)”. There were quite a few posts here and most toriko fans replied the same way. THAT is stupid and ignorant. Plus, my post was mostly to show people what other manga are out there apart from the overhyped Toriko. I never said Toriko is pathetic and deserves to die. But Toriko fans are cocky and deserve to have their asses handed back to them. If you can promote your series by not lowering existing one, then its fine.

      • Komori Ningen the OPtard - May 31, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

        Well it’s your opinion so I can’t argue with that
        My opinion is that you’re just hating because Toriko has a better potential than Bleach and its anime is still airing while it’s so close to the manga.

      • Komori Ningen the OPtard - May 31, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

        Face it out of those 12 years of Bleach, Kubo has disappointed more than he has impressed.
        Bleach won’t really be remembered long after the end of its serialization
        It’s not original enough
        Don’t mind this comment, it’s just me giving my honest opinion
        And trying to piss you off
        I don’t actually believe than Bleach won’t be remembered but what I first wrote was my honest opinion
        Just sayin

      • 101nemesis - May 31, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

        Nope. In fact, I’m intrigued to see how Toriko’s viewership count will decrease as it catches up and fillers start. Bleach had that problem ever since SS arc. Every anime has that problem. It’s what Naruto is going through right now(which is probably at the worst possible time since its the final war). Toriko’s view count is mostly because of the fact that it airs before One Piece. Otherwise, a series that gets a rating of 6.0 will have much bigger effect on the sales of the manga. Kuroko is the biggest example.

        And about Toriko’s potential. If you told me this 2 years back when the anime did not start and Jump was just starting to promote Toriko heavily. I would have agreed with you. But Toriko’s peak is gone. It’s peak was in 2011 when it sold 4 million. That was it’s peak. Even with the anime running, it sells just about 350k a volume. Bleach, without an anime sells 650k. Rank wise, yes, it’s higher. But that ways, a series like PSI Saiki is high but sells just about 50k a volume. Ranking in a magazine can vary alot which was seen this week when World Trigger jumped from the bottom 3 to the top 3.

        Also, Jump currently has more successful series than Toriko. Example Assassination Classroom, that sells as much as Bleach without an anime(if not a little less) and ranks as good as One Piece. Assassination Classroom can literally surpass Naruto in individual volume sales if it acquires an anime.

        Shokugeki No Souma which constantly ranks in the top 5 and it’s 1st volume sold about 150k.

        Then comes Kuroko that sells as much as Bleach (if not little more) with an anime running and ranks within the top 5. Kuroko was a bottom dweller until a year ago. Once the anime aired and it got decent ratings, it’s sales became more than double and it jumped to be a constant top ranking manga.

        If you say Toriko has potential. I’d say that’s misdirected. The series that have potential are those that have just started an anime or haven’t started one yet. Assassination Classroom, Shokugeki No Soma, Haikyuu!! and Nisekoi are those series.

      • dyll47 - May 31, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

        Know why no one wants to do a cross over with Bleach?

        Because other mangakas are afraid that Kubo might steal their characters’ powers and put them to Ichigo. LOL

        Imagine if DBZ does a crossover with Bleach. Then Kubo will start another arc and reveal later on that Ichigo has a Saiyan blood.

      • 101nemesis - May 31, 2013 at 3:27 pm #

        Seriously bro, that was so lame that I don’t even know what to say to you.

      • Komori Ningen the OPtard - May 31, 2013 at 7:37 pm #

        @101nemesis
        Don’t be bitter
        I never read assassination classroom but I know that it’s way more original than Toriko hence to another level when you compare it to Bleach.

        ” I would have agreed with you. But Toriko’s peak is gone.”
        Really dude ? the manga is only getting better and better, it’s clear that it has not reached its peak yet but Bleach had a long time ago…. Now it’s just back to its regular quality of chapters but it’s surely not Bleach at its best.

        ” Bleach, without an anime sells 650k while, even with the anime running, Toriko sells just about 350k a volume.”

        LOL you make it look like Bleach never had a successful anime series before it got cancelled. If you say that manga sales boosts coincide with their relative anime success then it’s obvious that a series that have been as successful as Bleach will always attract fans, no wonder it still sales and now that it came back to its regular state it will only get better.
        But Bleach is as good as it can be right now but Toriko has so much potential and its only getting better and Toriko does have fillers and contrary to Bleach and Shingeki, the anime is actually worse than the manga.

    • dyll47 - May 31, 2013 at 3:39 pm #

      It may be lame but isn’t that how Kubo DEVELOPS his character? By giving him all the power that there is.

      You’re saying Toriko characters lack development. But look at Bleach characters. Ichigo is a freak. A mix of sugar and spice and everything nice.

      • komori Ningen the OPtard - May 31, 2013 at 10:08 pm #

        LOL PowePuff Bleach

    • hhmah - May 31, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

      lol were you paid to write all this.. too much to read and your replies are too long.. i lovED bleach but now a days i find it very boring and i never look forward to any chapter.. naruto is okay and OP is good thou the recent chapter are okay..

      but Toriko is amazing, it the manga i look forward most.. love it and the art is amazing and the battle is better than OP, bleach and Naruto.. dont hate man..if u dont like Toriko why bother to add more people to your side.. .anyways bleach has been dead for years.. good look with finding another manga..

  8. dyll47 - May 31, 2013 at 3:33 pm #

    As far as I know, most people I’ve seen in different manga forums had already put Bleach out of the top 3 and put other mangas in its place. And they’re not Bleach haters. They are unbiased manga fanatics who gives good and bad reviews on all mangas.
    The reason why Bleach still sells big is because it’s already ending. It’s like a collector’s item already. And it’s really popular all over the world. It’s more like a trend that’s why people are still buying. Majority of the buyers are youngsters.

    And I don’t think it’s possible to statistically knock one of the big three off their thrones. They’re too established already.

  9. Leptor - May 31, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    I like Bleach way more than Toriko, but I’d like to see a source showing that Bleach is out selling Toriko atm. I could have sworn Toriko was selling more when I last looked at the numbers.

    And Toriko’s TV ratings are much higher than Bleach’s ratings for it’s final year to a year and a half.

    Toriko, popularity wise, I’d say has risen up to the top. And I don’t think it’s great enough to have done so, but it is what it is.

  10. Leptor - May 31, 2013 at 6:36 pm #

    @ dyll.

    Toriko- That’s not really a good excuse. Toriko explicitly stated if it wasn’t for Komatsu’s cheering, he wouldn’t have powered up. The Mangaka committing retcon doesn’t change this. It was an asspull in an attempt to cover up an asspull that was a blatant friendship power-up.

    Natsu vs. Max- Nah. In the Manga, the fight literally lasts like 6-8 pages. They clash evenly for a few pages (in which Natsu only uses one attack), then Natsu uses the fire lightning dragon’s roar, and Max pissed himself and gave up. It literally only took Natsu two attacks and 6-8 pages to own Max. It wasn’t that Mashima wanted us to think Natsu had fallen down to average level. He wanted to show the progression of FT’s weaker members. It’s true that he also wanted us to realize that FT’s main members lost out on 7 years of training, but in no way, shape, or form was Max even close to Natsu’s level of power. And Mashima simply showed us through other scenes that they lost out on 7 years of training. Again you have to remember FT’s Guild was by far the strongest we had seen pre time skip. Sabertooth right now would have been absolutely destroyed by pre time skip FT. There’s a reason Makarov and Gildarts were left out of the tournament and why he had to make antagonist guilds cheat against FT to cost them points. Even with the way the current teams were set, if every competition and fight had been fair and square FT would have won by a good deal. It wouldn’t have been very close. Imagine if it was fair and square AND Gildarts was participating. They would have blown the competition out of the water.

    Second Origin- Every time something is new to us, it hasn’t been shown before. Why would we have needed to know about it pre time skip? There was no use for it pre time skip, so revealing it then would have been pointless. By your logic, there are many things in every action Manga that we could pick out that we didn’t know about before but should have if we’re saying we should have heard of Second Origin before.

    Ripping off a series- I think FT ripping off OP is blown out of proportion. I’ll agree that Gildarts is likely inspired by Shanks, and that Mashima as a whole may be marginally inspired by OP. But to call it a rip off is an exaggeration. It doesn’t take inspiration from OP any more than most Shonens take inspiration from other series. There have been multiple other cases where a Shonen took way more visible inspiration from another Shonen than FT taking inspiration from OP. Heck Toriko itself is an example. You can tell with the way the bodies are shaped when they’re powered up, the Mangaka took visible inspiration from series like Dragon Ball and Fist. And the way Toriko dresses is fairly similar to what Goku wore. Yu Yu Hakusho is the best example. If you watch all of DB, and then watch all of YYH, you’ll see things on an every other episode basis where you can say “Wow they definitely got that from DB”. Series taking inspiration from other series is so common that I don’t know why people even bother calling rip off.

    • Tupac - May 31, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

      Both Oda and Mashima took inspiration from their respective mangaka role model, Akira Toriyama. Being the reason as to why their art is similar. Fairy Tail is by no means copied from One Piece, and it’s unlikely that Mashima drew inspiration from Oda’s series.

      • Leptor - June 1, 2013 at 5:09 am #

        @ Tupac.

        I pretty much agree. It’s not that I doubt Mashima drew any inspiration from One Piece, but I’m not a fan of calling any Manga a rip off. Because it’s a normal thing for a Mangaka to be inspired by another series.

  11. dyll47 - June 1, 2013 at 12:58 am #

    @ Leptor,

    Komatsu does have something to do with Toriko’s waking up, but the powering up was not because of Komatsu’s crying. It just gives Toriko the determination and the will to move forward and surpass his limits.

    His body is already capable of defeating Starjyun.
    It was clearly stated a couple of chapters back. But he still lack something. And that’s the goal and reason. The mind set to do that. The “Final Ingredient” as he calls it.
    And that is Komatsu. His resolve to protect Komatsu is the key to defeating Starjyun. And that is not an asspull. Even in real life, strength without will is useless. Action without purpose is pointless.

    So it’s not really a magical nakama powerup.

    • dyll47 - June 1, 2013 at 1:16 am #

      People are asking that if Toriko has that technique all along, why didn’t he use it in the beginning?

      Well it’s like this. A fighter will fight inside the ring but he really wouldn’t give his all into that fight. If he knows he’s losing and he can’t win, he’ll just try to finish the fight.
      But take someone important to him and aim a gun in his or her head, he’ll fight differently. He’ll either win or die trying.

      When Coco sent Komatsu to where Toriko is, I thought that Toriko already won. But when I saw Toriko getting roasted, I was puzzled and thought Coco’s intuition have failed. But now I understand why he did that.

  12. Leptor - June 1, 2013 at 5:11 am #

    @ dyll.

    That’s not what Toriko himself said though. He literally said the only reason he is powering up is because of Komatsu.

    Heck…the very nature of impression is an asspull in itself. Being able to make things real just by imagining it? I mean lol. It’s just a convenient plot device for the Mangaka. And hey, that’s fine. I’m not saying I dislike Toriko for it’s asspulls. Just saying it’s one of many series that commit asspulling, just like FT does at times.

    • dyll47 - June 1, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

      He already have the power and the technique. But it still has to be awakened. And Komatsu is the key to awaken it. He literally said that a couple of chapters back.

      He’s already capable of beating star in terms of power. But he needs a purpose to achieve that. And that’s where Komatsu steps in. His powering up is not sudden and just came out of nowhere. He trained to achieve it.

    • dyll47 - June 1, 2013 at 1:26 pm #

      http://www.mangareader.net/toriko/233/10

      Here’s the page I’ve been talking about.

  13. dyll47 - June 1, 2013 at 1:11 pm #

    It’s not really thinking things and making it turn real. It’s more like setting your mind into something and then making your believe it and you’ll be able to do it. But ofcourse it’s exaggerated again because this is a manga.

    That concept is not really an asspull. Most athletes do that. They concentrate first and picture in their mind what they want to happen and literally turn it real.
    You can see it in basketball free throw and three point shooting. Noticed how players do the act of shooting before the referee even gave them the ball? In slamdunk competition, in billiards, in golf, diving, extreme sports and many more.

    So the technique is based on a real technique but only exaggerated. I don’t know how you could call that an asspull.

  14. komori Ningen the OPtard - June 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    Asspull or not asspull
    That is the question

  15. Leptor - June 2, 2013 at 8:17 am #

    @ dyll.

    What’s your point? The actual method doesn’t really matter. Fact is, Komatsu’s screams is what powered him up. Therefore it’s a friendship power-up.

    And how is the technique not an asspull by nature? He’s essentially allowed to make reality real just as long as he imagines it to be true.

    Also, athletes can not do this. Focusing will only help them, but simply imagining it doesn’t make it actually happen. Nor can they heal themselves just by imagining what it would feel like to be healed.

    • dyll47 - June 2, 2013 at 1:55 pm #

      That’s why I’m saying the manga version is exaggerated.
      And I never said that he doesn’t have to do anything for it to happen, ofcourse he still have to launch his attack.

      And ofcourse athletes still has to move Their body to turn what they picture in their minds into reality. Sorry if I haven’t mentioned it. I thought it’s a no-brainer to figure that out.

      I’ll try to explain how Toriko’s technique really works.
      He’ll picture the outcome of his move, he’ll believe that it will happen, and when he launches his attack, it would really happen.

      Now it really doesn’t differ from what athletes do but it’s exaggerated in some ways.

      1. The way his opponent sees the outcome that he’s thinking.
      2. The way his opponent feels it and actually gets scared of it.
      3. The way he doesn’t have to do actual routines to strengthen his attack. But this one is can still happen in some sports like billiards. I know a guy who doesn’t do the “pumping” of the cue stick that most billiards players do before taking a shot.

  16. Leptor - June 2, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

    @ dyll.

    I didn’t say that you said he doesn’t have to launch an attack. Not sure what part of my post you’re responding to here.

    As for your explanation of the technique, that’s what I’m saying. He only has to imagine that it’ll happen, and it’ll happen. How’s that not an asspull by nature? It’s arguably the most asspull technique I’ve ever seen in Manga lol.

    Also, you said it’s not an asspull because “it’s like real life”. By that logic, I can say friendship power-ups aren’t asspulls. Since in real life, you really are extra motivated when helping out someone you care about. You really do go past your limits. So on and so forth. If anything, that’s even more of a match than your analogy.

  17. dyll47 - June 3, 2013 at 4:15 am #

    If mind setting is an asspull, I guess you’re the type of guy who doesn’t do much physical activity.

    It’s not really an asspull. It’s just the way you say it that makes it sound like an asspull.
    Try saying it as a mind set and not an imagination turning to reality.
    It’s setting the mind to a particular goal which enables the body to actually do it.

    You’re trying so hard to make it an asspull that you’re just saying the same words over and over again. I’ve already stated enough reasons and explanations but you’re still saying the same thing that you’ve been saying from the start.
    You keep on saying he just have to imagine things and it will happen, and I’ve already explained a lot that it’s not the way it works. If it works the way as you claim it to be, Star should have been dead by now. We’ve seen his head blown and his body split. But he’s alive because he’s able to dodge before Toriko launched the attack that would make it a reality.

    If imagining things and making it reality is the ultimate assppull, then try looking at Izanagi.

    • Leptor - June 3, 2013 at 7:00 am #

      Well…I pretty much did nothing but sports (hockey, basketball, football, baseball, and wrestling) for about 15 years straight. I’ve also been passionate about martial arts my whole life.

      But nice ad hominem there.

      As for the actual debate itself…

      I’m not “trying” to do anything. Imagine it and it happens is asspull by nature simply because it gives you an out no matter what. Oh I’m hurt…I’ll just heal myself with my mind. Not even Star Wars went that far with the force. If I’m repeating anything, it’s a reflection of you doing the same.

      Your explanations are merely convenient, nothing more. If anything you’re trying too hard to cover it up.

      Also you didn’t address my point. If this isn’t an asspull simply because you can very loosely relate it to real life, then the same can be said for friendship power-ups. In which case your whole argument becomes moot, since you’d then have to agree FT’s friendship power-ups aren’t asspulls. Otherwise it’s just double standard.