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One Piece 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 712 Spoiler

2013 June 17

One Piece 712 Spoiler : The last Chapter end with Fujitora and Dofla are both approaching the beach, ! So what happens next..? find out story on One Piece 712 Spoilers 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第712話 at Mangaspoiler.com. if you would like to discuss the Spoiler or prediction, please leave a comment below.

One Piece 712 Spoiler

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Onepiece Chapter 712: Violet.

30 minutes ago in Dressrosa. Sanji has been caught by Violet and other Donquixote Family mobs.

Violet was a killer of Club Trebol army of the Donquixote Family with the power of Devil Fruit “Giro Giro no Mi” (giro is the onomatopoeia of “look intently”). She can see through everyone’s mind.

Violet wanted to know their plan and purpose but surprised that can only see women in Sanji’s mind.

Sanji said he never doubt women’s tears and believed what did Violet say before: I hope you can kill a man for me (chap.703).

Violet was moved and suddenly used the power of Devil Fruit to knock all mobs down.

Then Violet let Sanji see what happened in the morning when CP0 arrived in Dressrosa. CP0 told Dressrosa’s residents the World Government will revise the news about Doflamingo quitted the Shichibukai and the king of Dressrosa at 3pm and asked them not to leak.

Back to the beach. Fujitora asked Sakazuki: “What happened? The Marine Headquarters has been fooled?” Sakazuki apologized and said: “I am going to Mariejois and ask the Gorosei.”

At this moment Robin used ability to create a copy of herself to let Law know they are in underground.

After that, Doflamingo arrived at the beach.

Law: “You are just a pirate. You don’t have authority to fool the world even if you are the Shichibukai.
If someone that can do to this extent. He must be the Celestial Dragons.
Can it be that you are…!?”

Doflamingo: “…Law! I really want to kill you!”

End of Onepiece 712 chapter.

[Thanks Riley]

One Piece 712 Trivia: Ironically, law wanted poster shows Bepo appearing in the background with his head turned in the same position and stance as Usopp in Luffy’s poster.

2,343 Responses to “One Piece 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 712 Spoiler”

  1. Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

    Whitebeard was the Strongest Man, while Kaido is the Strongest Creature. I know that creatures can refer to us humans, but I think in this sense Oda refers to creatures as non-humans. So, in other words Kaido is the strongest Non-Human.

    I personally think the only Yonko currently close to WB’s power is Shanks. I think that both Kaido, Big Mom and BB have still got a bit to go before being as strong as WB.

    • Aaron - June 28, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

      we still don’t know everything about kaido and big mom so we have to wait. We’ve seen Shanks clash with whitebeard and main members of his crew at marineford but we didn’t see everyone. We can only speculate they are strong but we cannot guaranteed one of them is stronger than the other until oda shows their moves and skills.

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 3:19 pm #

        True. But we are inclined to have our own personal assumptions :D

      • fame - June 28, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

        but we DO know they aren’t as strong as whitebeard and his pirates, thats already verified.

    • moss head - June 28, 2013 at 3:21 pm #

      there is no reason for yonkou’s to be stronger they become yonkou’s after their damn dangerous devil fruits with which they can turn the world upside down
      and i agree with Aaron we don’t know much about both of the yonkou’s even shanks if i say so(i.e about his crew and their powers or his self)
      of as we don’t know other yonkou’s devil fruit we think that WB is the strongest pirate as said by sengoku

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

        What? Not all Yonkos have DF. Shanks from the looks of things doesn’t have and it’s unknown if Big Mom has one. While Kaido may be a Zoan which is yet to be confirmed.

        I know we don’t know their strength yet and won’t until it’s shown. I am merely speculating.

    • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

      that’s pretty much how I see it as well but I do expect BB to surpass all of them in strength at some point, including Shanks.

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 3:51 pm #

        Yeah, same here. I get the feeling that BB will be the one to take down/kill Shanks.

      • fame - June 28, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

        you too? lol remember my ‘buggy is gonna kill blackbeard for killing shanks’ theory?

      • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 4:30 pm #

        BB beating/killing Shanks is actually one of the predictions I’m most convinced about.

        Shanks will never let BB advance any further or let him even try to go for Raftel, so BB basicaslly has to beat Shanks otherwise he’d be a failure and all of his build-up as Luffy’s rival for PK would be a complete waste.

        @fame
        I do think Buggy will be more important than almost all ppl here think but I can’t help but to stick with my belief that BB and Sakazuki are reserved for Luffy’s final fights just like Mihawk is for Zoro’s.

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

        Lol. I can see Luffy and Buggy forming a team. That would be nice. At Raftel, Buggy will use that opportunity to take the PK crown for himself.

      • fame - June 28, 2013 at 4:52 pm #

        you know I’m one to always go against everyone else’s hype, because I believe Oda knows exactly what fans are expecting and tries to be as unpredictable as possible.

        applying that understanding to shanks, fans are all expecting him to be the obstacle for luffy but surely Oda hasn’t been writing for 16 years to just give us the predictacble.

        I thought mihawk agreeing to make zoro a disciple was significant no one saw that coming, I immediately thought mihawk is gonna die sooner than originally thought and won’t be zoro’s final step too.er be zoro’s opponent, or killed by blackbeard.

        I do wonder what Law thinks of Buggy though.

      • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

        not everything can be unpredictable tho and usually it’s still the main protagonist of the story who fights the main antagonists of the story and that’s what BB and Sakazuki are (in case you wonder I’m not saying the WG is not the main antagonist I’m just speaking of single characters here).

        I’m not really opposed to possible twists here, I just doubt Oda will refuse to give the fans the highly anticipated fights of Luffy vs BB and Luffy vs Sakazuki.

    • TheAllKnower - June 29, 2013 at 12:55 am #

      hi guys join One Piece 713 discussion on paltalk :)

    • Pure - June 29, 2013 at 8:50 am #

      We already know that Kaidou is inhuman. That’s why he’s called a creature, becouse of his cruilty

      • Pure - June 29, 2013 at 10:03 am #

        cruelty*

  2. moss head - June 28, 2013 at 3:22 pm #

    of the matter it might be joke but can’t moria prepare zombie of PK???

    • worship - June 28, 2013 at 3:33 pm #

      please do not make one piece like the tails of ubergay naruto

      • moss head - June 28, 2013 at 3:35 pm #

        just as i said it is just a joke that’s it

    • Nidai Kitetsu - June 28, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

      as we saw with Ryuuma, having the body can only get u so far, the shadow has to be able to perform at the level of the body otherwise all ur doing is using a name with little to show for it.

      and on the previous page u said Mariah’s power could increase with powerful shadows, but that’s not his own power is it, Jimbei noted in both the war against Moriah and against hody that the borrowed power they used was nothing compared to the real thing, besides that requires getting the powerful shadows and making them obey which he’s too weak to do

      • moss head - June 28, 2013 at 4:04 pm #

        yep you are right but all the zombie’s i think with moria has accepted him and gave their best from OZ to small punk in grave yard it is as you said depends on zombie carrying it but as we don’t know yet on how much extent his devil fruit works now after time skip we can’t misjudge him
        and not to forget he is the one i think who fought with kaidou along with shanks he might be of use when SH wage a war against kaidou
        law might have made some dealing with him it’s just my predic

    • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

      if he gets his corpse and a good shadow yes, but it’s not likely that it’s even possible for Moriah to get his hands on it.

      WB’s and Ace’s bodies are buried in the NW tho, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Moriah goes for WB’s corpse which would be an incredibly strong weapon if he finds a matching shadow.

  3. fame - June 28, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

    what always perplexes me is people reinforcing the idea that blackbeard has to be ‘this’ strong because he is or has to be ‘the final boss’

    by what standards? there’s clearly a few few here who share the same interpretation of one piece as I do. the final step for luffy will not be a pirate, his objective is to overcome pirates, so that is the first thing he will do.

    after that he has to face his natural enemy, the marines. so already (unless for whatever reason people can not see it) its set in stone.

    the last hurdle for luffy will be the world government, it was the same for roger, the same for shiki, the same for whitebeard, the same for ace, and it will be the same for luffy.

    blackbeard is just a stepping stone on the way to being oirate kind, he does not serve the purpose of being the final boss. if anything blackbeard is the man Oda will use to test luffy, to see if he is the man he thinks he is without the rubber fruit.

    for me it has been clear as day that the stongest people in the entire manga are those affiliated with the world government. that goes for the shichi as well as the admirals.

    people should think more clearly, the yonko are already at the top of their designated objectives, the only place left for them to go is down, that is why Oda is writing a story about the man who will take them down.

    the shichibukai and WG are the natural enemies of pirates, the shichi may be pirates, but they will serve the WG just as the marines do when asked to do so, giving them a huge hand over the yonko, that is why WB was defeated, and that is why the yonko pose little threat to the WG and shichi alliance, the alliance creates balance.

    so yes, the yonko are the strongest pirates, but they are far from being on the level of danger an admiral or shichi posses to luffy. the logic is simple, the yonko are competition, but the world government and its allies are the enemy.

    • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

      I don’t think BB will be the final boss, it seems very likely that the WG/marines will be that after hearing WB’s last words.

      right now I think BB is far from being the strongest but just like Luffy, he kept getting stronger throughout the series although it was not a steadily pace like Luffy and the other SHs do, it was more like one-time but permanent power-ups (his 2 DFs).

      I believe BB will do this again, he is already hunting for strong DFs and I think Marco’s is on top of his list. just like I expect BB to take down Shanks, I expect him to take out the remaining WB pirates to finsish what he started and thus getting Marco’s DF to cover his one big weakness.

      I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch that with these 3 DFs BB would be the strongest character in OP or at the very least equal with the very strongest. Luffy becoming PK is still what this manga is build on and that is why I think Luffy’s most difficult fight should be tied to fullfilling his dream to become PK and that would be against this overpowered BB.

      I know this is mostly speculationon my part but right now we can’t really do more than speculate, so I don’t mind if anyone disagrees with me here.

      I completely agree on what you said about the yonkou and the ppl affiliated with the WG but I guess you already know that lol.

      • fame - June 28, 2013 at 5:00 pm #

        yeah my problem with that is if luffy wipes out the wg before becoming pk the story loses its main antagonist as all luffy will have left is not enemies but competition.

        for a shonen to have purpose, the main character needs an enemy through to the end. people think the yonko are enemies, they aren’t. they are luffy’s competition just like the supernovas and he has to surpass them.

        those he has to conquer are his enemies, which are the marines and wg and its allies, and that has been the pattern since. that is why he is always fighting a shichibukai or the marines.

        I believe we will see luffy become pk , then together whith zoro they will fight the final strongest enemy of the series – the wg and it’s marines. and this is where zoro will have to overcome mihawk.

      • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 5:11 pm #

        I completely with you on what you said there.

      • komori Ningen the OPtard - June 29, 2013 at 1:18 am #

        @fame, I completely agree
        To boot, I’ll even add that the prophecy says that the chosen one will lead the final war against the world government after he gets the One Piece
        So we all agree that the strawhats will fight the BB pirates for the OP
        The final war, if we follow the prophecy, will happen finding the OP

      • fame - June 29, 2013 at 4:38 am #

        that depends what one piece is, it could be an ancient weapon or a relic/record of history. in that case the marines would be after it too.

  4. Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

    My prediction:

    – It will be a 3 way fight between Fujitora/Law/DD. Why? Fujitora wants to capture Law in order to lure Luffy. DD wants to kill Law and Law wishes to evade both of them. However, it will soon turn into a 2 v 1 (DD + Fujitora v Law) because Sakazuki will find out about DD’s true power/rank from the Goroseis and inform Fujitora.

    – The whole of Dressrosa will become chaotic, especially the Colosseum, since the marines will take centre-stage and attempt to capture the Pirates/Criminals.

    – Zoro on his way to the Dwarves will encounter Marines and defeat them with the Female Dwarves help. He will meet up with the Dwarves/Robin/Ussop and tell them Nami and co are in danger. They will go to the ship and help them, except Zoro. He will go and help Law.

    – Sanji will have his first fight with Trebol, but will fail to win since Trebol is stronger than him. The fight will be interrupted by the Marines leading to Trebol leaving and Sanji/Violet both escaping/fighting the Marines. Violet tells him his crew is in danger and so he heads towards Sunny with Violet.

    – Franky with the help of the Toy Soldier will succeed in destroying SAD but will face some resistance from members of DD’s crew (maybe Buffalo) and from the marines who are attempting to capture him. They will also save the workers inside SAD before it’s destruction. Thus the downfall of Dressrosa as the Toy Soldier stated.

    – The chaos in Dressrosa will help Kinemon to evade DD’s men and he will find his friend at the SAD factory, where he is a worker. Kinnemon will help Franky/Toy Soldier to evacuate the works and destroy SAD.

    – At the Colosseum, there is a major stand-off between the competitors and the marines. Some them attempt to escape, while others stay to fight. Bartolomeo and Burgess attacks marines all the while leaving. Luffy is attacked by Don Chinjao and his Grandsons. Cavendish attacks the Chinjaos claiming Luffy to be his opponent. The fight is quite even with the Chinjaos having a ting advantage. Dimante steps in and fights Don Chinjao and reveals they are a part of Kaido’s crew. Luffy/Cavendish/Diamante are victorious. The Mera-Mera No Mi is revealed to be a fake and Diamante spills the beans that DD has the real one to Luffy. Diamante leaves before Luffy can say anymore. Luffy first goes to save Bellamy and befriends Hack. While leaving, he meets up with Rebecca and she finds out that the Toy Soldier is with Franky and so she follows Luffy. Using CoO Haki, Luffy heads towards DD with Hack/Bellamy/Rebecca with Cavendish following behind telling Luffy to stop so he can kill him.

    – Luffy and co arrive at Green Bit to find Zoro and Law struggling against both DD and Fujitora. Law turns his attention away from them to look at Luffy and DD captures him and obtains CC. He hands him over to Fujitora claiming he cba killing Law since he has CC and believes handing Law over will a lot more fun.

    – Fujitora speaks into his Den Den Mushi and calls off him men. Fujitora and his marines escape with Law. DD’s crew start to appear one by one and then his ship comes into view. DD boards it. Before leaving, he asks Bellamy what will he do. Bellamy says he will stay with Luffy for now. DD smiles and tells Luffy where Fujitora has taken Law. Law is being took to Mariejois. As DD is about to leave, DD gives Luffy a chest and claims he will need it.

    – Cavendish realises that attack both Zoro and Luffy would be foolish and decides to follow them for now.

    – Luffy and co return to the Sunny where the Dwarves/Sanji/Franky/Kinnemon + friend are. He tells them what’s happened and they decide to head for Mariejois to free Law. Rebecca thanks the crew and leaves with the Toy Soldier. The Dwarves also return with the exception of the female Dwarf who has taken a liking to Zoro. The Straw Hats + Kinemon/Momo/Kinemon Friend + Hack + Bellamy + Female Dwarf leave Dressrosa and use the Vivre Card and head for Zo. While travelling, Luffy opens the chest given by DD and sees that it’s the real Mera-Mera No Mi. He offers it to everyone but they all decline it. In the end, Luffy decides to keep it in the chest.

    – DD is headed for Kaido. He intends to overthrow Kaido and become Yonko. Meanwhile, Fujitora arrives at Mariejois where Sakazuki and many high-ranking officers are here to both capture Luffy and protect the high-ranking officials. The other Admiral is revealed. Sakazukis plan all along was to capture Law in order to lure Luffy and his crew.

    – The SH and co arrive at Zo and meet up with Law’s crew. They tell them what’s happened and will help. Kinemon and his friend bid farewell to them. But Momo decides to stay with them believing he cannot return to Wano the way he is now. So, SH and co + Heart Pirates leave for Mariejois.

    – DD has arrived at the place where Kaido is and the war between the two commences. It is revealed that the Smiles DD provided where programmed so that the consumer would obey DD and his crew. Also, it’s revealed X-Drake had joined Kaido but on a false pretence. He was actually working for DD even when he was a Marine and this was a part of DD’s plan. Kaido is defeated and DD is the new Yonko.

    – On the way, SH meet up with Jinbe who decides to help. Luffy offers the Mera-Mera No Mi to him, but he declines. They arrive at Mariejois and a major fight erupts between the Marines and the SH/Hearts. Mariejois is in complete chaos.

    – Luffy meets up with Coby and offers the Mera-Mera No Mi. Coby contemplates on eating it but then declines saying that he can’t eating something that is of great importance to Luffy and that he wants to be a strong Marine like Garp w/o the help of a DF. Luffy and Sakazuki have their second confrontation and has a nasty encounter with the new admiral. Zoro in the end fights and defeats Cavendish and takes his Durandel. He also has his first one-on-one fight with Fujitora, after getting Durandel, but doesn’t finish as he has to leave. Sanji and Kizaru have their first one-on-one encounter as well but is also stopped half-way.

    – They are able to get Law back and now attempt to retreat. During the whole retreating, Jinbe + Hack end up dying. And Luffy is struck right in the Heart. They are able to retreat though with Luffy. Turns out Luffy hearts was all along in Law’s crews possession.

    – The news of DD being new Yonko spreads. Law decides it’s not right to confront him now, especially without a solid plan. He refers back to what happened on Dressrosa. Luffy + co are attacked by a couple of Big Moms ship but are able to retaliate. Law and Luffy decide to take down Big Mom.

    – Kidd + Apoo + Hawkins are also going for Big Mom and decide to team up with Luffy and Law. They decide to split up the territories. Luffy says he only wants Fishman Island. They head to fight Big Mom and her crew.

    – Various different fights occur with Big Mom getting a final blow from Luffy. During it, Bellamy fights and finally defeats Bartolomeo. He decides it’s time to leave and join up with DD and says his goodbye to Luffy.

    -After Big Moms defeat, the New World is in chaos since no-one in particular has replaced Big Mom as a Yonko.

    That’s about it. Hope u enjoy the read :D

    • ToysAreUs - June 28, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

      I like the part with Drake working for DD the whole time but I have a theory on the factory and that the gnome kingdom is the factory. They said “There is no plant we cannot cultivate” and Devil fruit…So Kinemon’s friend imo is somewhere else on the island. But that giant war at Marijois sounds like a finale type event even though the fights end half way I can’t see SH escaping that. The ending with BM is also good I can see that happening.

      • Croco~Boy - June 28, 2013 at 5:47 pm #

        A giant war is bound to happen. Also look up “Mortal Kombat:Armaggedon INTRO” Would be cool if in Raftel all the main characters do something like that. Kaido Theory #2 Kaido having a dragon DF like Onaga(that thing that flew off with the guy on the temple) would be awsome as a Typhon looking character.

      • ToysAreUs - June 28, 2013 at 5:53 pm #

        Ya it’s bound to happen but I think it’s too soon imo. SH with only 3 haki users who are most likely half as good as the Admiral’s at using haki and some in Law’s crew won’t be enough to get out of a fortress like Mariejois.

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

        @ToysAreUs: Thanks. I read thay theory a while back on this site and thought it to be possible. But decided to go with my own idea. I think that once the Supernovas take down a Yonko, the possibility of one of them replacing that Yonko doesn’t seem right. IMO, none of the Supernovas seem like they are suited for the role of Yonko. Hence, chaos will occur since there is no-one to take the role of the fallen Yonko to help keep the balance.

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

        The war/encounter I’m talking about would be more of a warm-up which sort of sets up what will actually in the real final war. Like during that encounter the monster trio get paired up with an admiral each and a hearty encounter between Luffy and Akainu which I think is needed before their final fight.

        As for X-Drake. I think he is working for DD. After all, if I remember correctly it was stated DD had others working for him within the Marines and X-Drake is a former Marine.

    • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 5:36 pm #

      wow. nice prediction, thumbs up from me.

      some parts of it are actually very similar to the prediction of the arc after dressrosa I wrote about 2 months ago, like Luffy encountering Sakazuki, getting hit in the heart and only surviving because Law has his heart.

      • ganja - June 28, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

        yeah I was about to say that i already seen something like that before with jimbe dyin and sakazuki lurrin luffy into HQ

    • Croco~Boy - June 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

      Nice, Although I prefer if Luffy where to not be involved with whomever Kidd/Apoo/Hawkings are going to challenge. Luffy taking down everyone gets repetetive I want Kidd to rival him equally.

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

        Thanks. In the past Luffy has taken down most main antagonist of the arc on his one. If he does take down a Yonko it won’t be all on his own. He will do it with help from other people. So I think Law and Luffy and if he does join forces with Kidd and co then them as well.

    • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

      I also really like the idea of DD becoming the next yonkou, I gave this already some thought as well. no matter if it’s Luffy and Law’s alliance or DD or both together who defeat Kaidou, someone has to replace him afterwards. and no matter how you look at it, neither Luffy nor Law are really suited for this, on the other hand DD is perfectly suited.

      Also DD could maybe count on the WG’s and marine’s support as well as long as he decides to stay allied with them and this makes perfectly sense for both of them, DD doesn’t have to worry about the marines while continuing being a yonkou and aiming to become PK and the marines have a yonkou which is actually allied with them. this would be a HUGE advantage for the WG/marines and could possibly even shift the balance of the powers completely into their favour.

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 6:21 pm #

        Thanks. Exactly! DD becoming a Yonko makes so much sense. Whatever Oda does, it’s more-or-less confirmed that DD has some connection with higher-ups and it would be a major boost for them to have a Yonko on their side. This would signal a major shift in balance of power. I think this is actually a major possibility.

    • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

      I was thinking of Luffy eating the Mera-Mera No Mi against his second encounter with Akainu but though Na. Then thought maybe against Big Mom but then thought that fight would be more of a collective fight and not a 1v1 between Luffy and Big Mom since I doubt he’s strong enough to take her down all on his own yet. Then it clicked, what if he eats the fruit during his 1v1 fight against BB. After all, BB is attempting to collect powerful DF. He thinks he’s defeated Luffy and heads to pick up the chest and take the fruit, but is stopped by Luffy who eats it for himself to stop BB eating it.

    • fame - June 28, 2013 at 8:49 pm #

      if this was a school report, I’d give you an A+ :D

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 10:10 pm #

        Haha! I would prefer a cookie but I guess a A+ is okay :)

    • Hagwar - June 28, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

      I may not always agree with your point of view on things but that, good sir, was a brilliant read. Thank you for that.

      • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 10:11 pm #

        Lol. Thanks and your welcome :)

  5. ToysAreUs - June 28, 2013 at 5:16 pm #

    So people are saying WG are on par with any one of the Yonko including fleets, and Aokiji says DD is the biggest threat to the WG but nope he’s gotta be shitting himself at Kaido’s mention because he’s a shichibukai. Seems legit, logic level: max

    • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm #

      not even the WG as a whole actually, according to Brannew both the shichibukai and the marine HQ are on par with a yonkou and his fleet.

      • ToysAreUs - June 28, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

        True but they aren’t the same WG anymore they’ve been “preparing for something big” I think they’re more powerful but then so are the Yonko so WG still needs the shichi but not as much as they did before IMO. Also the fact a shichibukai can be so dangerous doesn’t make sense to some people.

      • Nickname #1 - June 28, 2013 at 5:59 pm #

        yh I think the WG realized that they need more power under their control because their control over the shichibukai is pretty limited.

        they’re still pirates who mostly do whatever they want and most of them gave them more trouble than benefits (like Croc, Boa, Jinbe, BB, Law and Kuma). they are very powerful but they’re not reliable at all.

        I believe they’re trying to find a way to become so powerful that they’re able to end the age of pirates permanently, I’m pretty sure at least Sakazuki has this goal in mind but the WG most likely as well since they wanted him as FA.

    • Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 4:12 am #

      Aokiji never said Doflamingo was the biggest threat to the world government, he said that he was the biggest threat since Sakazuki became fleet admiral, there’s a big difference.

      also people have been claiming that DD is the most dangerous man based on a chapter title, that title actually translated to “a very dangerous man”

      • fame - June 29, 2013 at 4:19 am #

        he said biggest threat to sakazuki’s new marines. the new marines are stronger than the old from 2 years ago so either way his point stands.
        http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-700-page-12.html

      • fame - June 29, 2013 at 4:30 am #

        and nidai dont know what you read but clarification is here
        http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-695-page-1.html

        and as for the caption here http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-695-page-18.html that depends on translation, its never consistent but the fact that the chapter itself was titled ‘the most dangerous man’ proves what toysareus is saying.

      • Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 6:53 am #

        the operative word was since, Sakazuki has been fleet admiral for 2 years, Aokiji’s point was that Doflamingo poses the biggest obstacle since Sakazuki became FA. as u said the new marines are stronger, so if DD was really the biggest threat then he’d be considered a bigger threat that WB

        the mangapanda translations seem to be more accurate in these cases, they make more contextual sense, because the only way for DD to be the biggest threat and the most dangerous man would be if he had Gorosei level power, which evidence suggests he does, however Aokiji didn’t know that because had he know he would also then know that DD wouldn’t be a threat to the marines

  6. Kuzan - June 28, 2013 at 8:20 pm #

    bb will probably kill shanks just to build up the fight between luffy and him yes. now luffy wants payback for what he did to ace AND now shanks. I don’t think shanks will lose ”fairly” though. He will probably get trolled or haxed or some shit.

    I don’t think the true meaning of ace’s death was to create a stifle between luffy and akainu. lets face it, luffy would’ve faced akainu and co no matter what happened in the final war. It was simply to make luffy aware that he needs to step up his game and get stronger in order to reach his goal.

    DD is indeed a scary man. a VERY formidable opponent to anyone, dispatching smoker like he’s complete shit. but imo he falls JUST short of the guys at the top, when it comes to a true 1v1 battle. I have a hard time believing he could beat aokiji. I can’t say it enough that he fought evenly with akainu for 10 DAYS despite having a HUGE devil fruit disadvantage. If any of the marines were on par with the yonnkous its Aokiji, Akainu, Young garp and young sengoku. This goes back to when i made the post about the ”exceptions”. In general it is yonkou > admiral. But at the same time there are always exceptions to the rule.

    Now this is why DD is probably the scariest pirate now: his connections. If it is true that he is a celestial dragon, he basically has the marines in his pocket among many other things. DD alone couldn’t beat kaido, a theory is that kaidos men are programmed to obey DD. If you add that dd can also use the marines as a military power. Its basically Kaido vs His own men + DD + Admirals. We’ll probably see Kaido prove why he is a yonkou and put on a crazy fight, but in the end he will fall and DD will take his place.

    • komori Ningen the OPtard - June 29, 2013 at 1:47 am #

      I agree to most of you wrote
      About Ace’s death, I do believe that it was to make luffy realize how he desperately needed to power up but I also think the whole war of the summit was just made to deeply introduce Akainu as the biggest marine villain to beat, the biggest pirate villain in OP would be Blackbeard and the fact that he’s the one who killed Ace just justify him as a villain.

      I also agree that DD would not have beaten Aokiji back in punk Hazard that’s the reason he gave up on killing smoker and the other marines…

      I just don’t agree on kaidou’s men being programmed to follow DD, that does not sound right at all, I doubt that DD programme people to follow him but instead he manipulates them with the help of his ability
      Just sayin

    • Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 7:59 am #

      there was not df disadvantage between Akainu and Aokiji, if there was then not having a df is a disadvantage too. both had haki that rules out DF compatibilities, strongest haki wins.

      if yonkos are stronger than admirals that means pirates are inherently stronger than marines, those occupations cant determine your peek strength, hence admiral = Yonko because both are the strongest rank within their respective occupations.

      DD may be a CD or the son of a Gorosei, id say the latter, but that’s irrelevant because hes been undercover since at least rogers death, meaning he forfeit his power to hide his identity, law forced his hand and made him reach out causing Sanji and law to question who he really is, but that still doesn’t give him power over the marines, that would require him to reveal the truth and thus put an end to his piracy

  7. shishi sonson - June 28, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

    I dont think dd is a cd…if he is then i cant understand his dream
    Dd says he want to be pirate king…but becoming pk means that he will unveil the history of the void century that the cd’s are so desparate to hide.
    they even killed an entire island for it.

    • fame - June 28, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

      celestial dragons and the world government are two different groups..

      • Kuzan - June 28, 2013 at 8:51 pm #

        well technically yes, but they are obviously related in the way that if someone fucks with a CD an admiral will be sent on their ass, no matter what the reason or circumstance.

      • fame - June 28, 2013 at 9:09 pm #

        celestial dragon are descendants of the 20 kings from the void century which formed the wg, the world government offers protection for these decendants, the cd have no authority within the wg however, they are immune to persecution by the wg. just because one is a noble or celestial dragon doesn’t mean they cannot be a pirate.

        the other possibility is that doflamingo himself is directly related to the gorosei and has authority over the wg.

    • Mugiwara No Luffy - June 28, 2013 at 8:49 pm #

      If he’s a CD then shouldn’t he already be aware of the history of the Void Century? Anyway, becoming PK doesn’t mean that you are obliged to reveal to the world the Void Century. Heck, it would be more beneficial to the WG/CDs for DD to become PK.

      • shishi sonson - June 28, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

        Becoming pk means finding one piece right. And according to wb description one piece is something related to the history.(bearing hundreds of years of history ….blah blah….a great war is coming…..) if dd knows the history then i m lost as to what he intends to find on raftel
        @fame i agree cd and wg are somewhat different but i dont see as to why that matters i mean they both r trying to cover up the void century is what i assume

      • fame - June 28, 2013 at 9:12 pm #

        the world government is the one covering up history, not the celestial dragons, the celestial dragons are a part of that history as explained above.

      • fame - June 28, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

        Exactly, a better way to explain this is –

        when a pirate becomes a shichibukai they are given the same privileges a celestial dragon would have. the difference is those privileges depend on their cooperation with the wg. a celestial dragon has those privileges from birth and maintains them no matter what crimes the commit.

        since the wg elects shichibukai and not the marines, doflamingo being a celestial dragon is not something the marines would have had to know or have known.

      • shishi sonson - June 28, 2013 at 9:40 pm #

        hmm dunno ….the thought of cd with the goal of becoming pk doesnt sit well with me. they are opposite entities for me.
        I have nothing against the notion of cd being a pirate though. that seem possible.
        dd related to gorousei is much more likely…
        lets wait a few chapter it will be cleared i hope

  8. ganja - June 28, 2013 at 9:31 pm #

    I think the last battle will be against BB I dont think luffy will fight the world government at the end. He said he wants to roam the sea freely

    • fame - June 28, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

      and the one’s trying to stop him doing that would be?

      • ganja - June 28, 2013 at 9:44 pm #

        the marines but he wont fight them he ll always flee like a pirates untill he ll get through raftel. Now oda might actually create another manga about the war that whitebeard had predicted.

      • Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 4:28 am #

        that completely contradicts the events of the story.

  9. fame - June 28, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

    these are the kind of chapeters I was talking about, those that have you discussing for days on end, exactly why I bashed the previous chapters for being uneventful and unprogressive.

    there was nothing new to talk about except recycle old debates, old story lines and old information. things that had little to do with current plot.

    not gonna say Oda has bounced back as it seems we’re back at the tournament and things will be going extra slow again. there really is no need to stretch things out. overall the story looks like its finally moving

    • Thousand_SunnyGo - June 28, 2013 at 9:49 pm #

      I agree with you on that, since the tournament started the story has seemed to drag, and now it seems to have picked up its pace again. But I do have to say that no matter how slow the story is we will still read it. LOL

    • jekyll or hyde - June 29, 2013 at 12:05 am #

      I disagree; there was one thing that interest ppl in the chapter and that was D.D. ties to the C.D.. Other than that, we’re in the same situation as the previous chapter.

      As for the previous chapters being uneventful & not progressive, I also disagree. We are only 13 chapters in this arc and look at what we’ve learn and who me met.

      If anything the ppl who agree only care about D.D.; not the tournament, not the participants story & motivation within the tournament, what’s going on with the ship, what going on with the Kin’emon & Kanjuro situation, the other unknown samurai, the Flower Field, why the Tontatta Tribe is about to attack, etc. All of this from 13 chapters.

  10. Thousand_SunnyGo - June 28, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    Everybody seems to mentioned how strong WB is and the people from his era. I agree with everything of course. But my question is from witch era is Big Mom, she seems familiar with Garp? For all we know she might be as strong as WB but didn’t make a big deal of it because all she seems to care about it food. What do you guys think,.

    • fame - June 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm #

      I’d say same era as she seems to be very familiar with Garp and I believe I had read somewhere that she is the last remnant of that era.

      Knowing Oda she’ll turn out to be Garp’s ex-girl.

      • Thousand_SunnyGo - June 28, 2013 at 10:42 pm #

        Haha you got that right hearth broken, still loves him, so she will take out her revenge on Luffy. LOL

  11. Odacencai - June 28, 2013 at 9:58 pm #

    Kaido is a beast who eat hito hito no mi like chopper

  12. Kuzan - June 28, 2013 at 11:07 pm #

    if thats true then garp has the worst taste ever when it comes to women.

    • komori Ningen the OPtard - June 29, 2013 at 1:23 am #

      Yup did you see dragon’s mug ?
      But dragon on the other hand knows how to pick a woman, the same goes for Roger

  13. K~N~E~E~L - June 29, 2013 at 12:11 am #

    celestial dragon or wg are nothing if the shichibukai ‘s not helping them

    • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 2:19 am #

      Actually the Admirals alone are quite a bit more than nothing adding in many more VA with haki WG w/o Shichibukai (who usually don’t listen) are quite a force. If they’ve got 5+ Admiral’s I’d say without the Shichi WG is stronger than it was pre-marineford because imo only 2 maybe 3 of the scihi are able to hold their ground against admirals.

  14. K~N~E~E~L - June 29, 2013 at 12:12 am #

    big mom will fall in love with luffy like hancock did…lol

    • thatguy - June 29, 2013 at 5:04 am #

      Most disturbing plot twist in OP history.

  15. ChInIsE EleCtRiC BaTmAn - June 29, 2013 at 12:13 am #

    a

  16. Bipolar Bear - June 29, 2013 at 12:39 am #

    I have a strange idea in mind. Does Doflamingo could be Sabo (looking at the Celestial Dragon fact). It could be impossible because we have ssen him at Gold Roger’s execution. But if you compare their appearance before/after, he doesn’t seems to get old and most of all they doesn’t have the same face!!! (compare their nose and chin)(https://www.google.com/search?q=doflamingo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=ch7OUfXMCOOTiQKzl4HwDA&biw=1008&bih=697&sei=cx7OUdaCNuWOiALW_oDQCg#facrc=0%3Bdoflamingo%20young&imgrc=_)

    • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 2:11 am #

      Excluding the vast amount of arguments that can prove Doflamingo isn’t Sabo, I’ve got nothing.

  17. fame - June 29, 2013 at 2:23 am #

    this avi commemorates my elevation to an even higher conscious. don’t fuck with me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcInPRRfr9E

  18. ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 2:23 am #

    Cover story discussion – Who will save granny? I think the real revolutionary leader will step in.

    • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 2:28 am #

      Scratch that her grandson is dead.

  19. strawhatter - June 29, 2013 at 3:45 am #

    What crew nembers if any do you think are gonna die in the final battle of OP…I think Chopper and Robin

  20. strawhatter - June 29, 2013 at 3:46 am #

    What crew nembers if any do you think are gonna die in the final battle of OP…I think Chopper and Robin.

    • fame - June 29, 2013 at 4:14 am #

      I think if anyone is gonna die it’s sanji or luffy. the strongest members would never let any of the others die, especially chopper.

      • fame - June 29, 2013 at 4:16 am #

        not that I’m saying chopper is weak, he’s just younger

      • Black Dog - June 29, 2013 at 4:26 am #

        It’ll be a very sad day in One Piece if Sanji dies. I hope that never happens, but that kinda selfish thinking.

      • fame - June 29, 2013 at 4:34 am #

        a strawhat dying may become the push the crew needs for each member to achieve their dreams. they could empathize with luffy over ace’s death, but a death even closer to their hearts would break them. I actually see brook being the one to die to set things in motion.

      • Ganja - June 29, 2013 at 4:44 am #

        I dont think anybody is going to die lol because luffy said it. It wont lose anyone no more.

    • Hagwar - June 29, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

      If anyone is going to die besides Luffy, I’m still inclined to believe that he will, it would be Usopp.

    • PieBallz360 - June 29, 2013 at 5:55 pm #

      I’m pretty sure Luffy and Robin are the main ones marked for death. The only other Strawhat I could see dying is probably Zoro depending on how his fight with Mihawk goes (double homicide?) But yeah Luffy and Robin will definately be dead by the end of the series, I feel Sanji and CHopper are 2 who are the most protected from Grim lol.

    • Gildarts - June 29, 2013 at 6:01 pm #

      I see Robin and Zoro dying. Apperently killing off characters I like is very common in mangas.

  21. Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 4:49 am #

    the rio poneglyph is on raftel.
    poneglyphs come in pairs, one tells u how to find the other poneglyph, the other holds historic text.
    the rio poneglyph holds the history from the void century
    the rio poneglyph has a pair somewhere which guides to the rio.

    roger can read poneglyphs, roger became pirate king by reaching raftel.
    no one else has ever been able to make it to raftel.
    no one else has been able to read all the poneglyphs.

    the roger pirates learnt of the void century but couldn’t do anything about it, meaning they wanted to do something and that it was too big for even roger to do.

    given all this we can attest the only way to reach raftel is by being able to read the ponelgyphs and the only crew that is capable of doing so are the straw hats, also they will have some sort of reaction to reading the rio which will make them what to do something about it, ergo WBs speech.

    if no other pirate can read the poneglyphs they cant get to raftel, thus all final pirate fights will be before luffy reaches raftel, or after in an attempt to become PK by killing the PK.

    if luffy is going to war he will face the marines and WG, the most powerful member of which is Sakazuki.

    • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 4:54 am #

      I always thought the Roger pirates couldn’t do anything about the Void century because Roger was running out of time. I hope reaching raftel has nothing to do with poneglyphs because then it’ll mean Luffy is the only one like you say, some “chosen one” type of shit which imo is bad for the story. BB, Kidd, Law etc. none have the chance of becoming PK if what you say is true.

      • Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 5:06 am #

        exactly, didn’t u read WBs speech before his death, the one roger is waiting for, the one carrying the will of all those that came before him, ergo yes there is a “chosen one”, luffy.
        one piece is the story, the treasure is the rio, the history that was forgotten.

        well his sickness may have played a part but even still I doubt he had the power to oppose the world

      • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 5:21 am #

        WB said Teach wasn’t the one Roger was waiting for, IIRC doesn’t mean Luffy is the chosen one is etched in stone even though all the hints point to it. Sounds silly but that chosen one stuff is pretty lame imo.
        http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2012/10/17/saupload_lloyd-300×300.jpg

      • Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 5:45 am #

        http://www.mangapanda.com/103-47876-11/one-piece/chapter-576.html

        hes referring to the D.’s, and luffy is a D. hes also be shown to be able to hear the voice of all things and has robin the only other person in the world who can read poneglyphs.

        I never suggested luffys name was etched in stone, I suggested that the will of centuries would concatenate in one person who would then find the rio.

        I don’t care for opinions, there’s too much bias and not enough fact or evidence, everything ive said is based on the evidence in the manga, I even laid it out so a child could understand it in the original post.

      • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 6:00 am #

        “ergo yes there is a “chosen one”, luffy” sounds like etched in stone. Basically implying every other character in the hunt for OP is just wasting his/her time. WB doesn’t clearly state the Will of D. and if Roger told WB how to get to Raftel it wouldn’t have made him a “D.” Sure Robin is the only one who can read poneglyphs but maybe there are others who already know the history. I wasn’t using my opinion to deny that there would be such a thing either.

      • Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 7:16 am #

        we know luffy will be the PK, the story revolves around him, that’s blatantly obvious, but it wasn’t him specifically that was chosen, hes just the one that holds the will of those before him.
        if u couldn’t infer will of D from what WB said that’s clearly on u, if u couldn’t infer that the void history and meaning behind D are connected from how Rayleigh answered robins questions on shaboady and how roger began to explain the meaning behind it to WB, that’s on u.

        where are u getting this shit from, ur putting words in my mouth that I never said. raftel isn’t purified ground that only Ds can walk on, but its only accessible by the path written on a poneglyph, a path roger read and was willing to tell WB, although that’s irrelevant because raftel probably only has the rio poneglyph, which WB cant read and roger told him the story behind it already, all he would gain is a title he doesn’t want.
        we know that others know the history, Roger, Rayleigh, WB, Sengoku, the Gorosei, have all been shown to have knowledge of the void century.
        I didn’t say were denying it, I said ur bias was getting in ur way. that’s why I don’t have any personal opinions about the future, my views are based on evidence, nothing more, a hypothesis without evidence is irrelevant even if it ends up being correct

  22. fame - June 29, 2013 at 5:03 am #

    I’ll actually cry if there’s no big secret over zoro’s eye.

    • Ganja - June 29, 2013 at 5:20 am #

      Im tellin you he had to sacrifice it in order to tie with mihawk other than that. I dont see anything else

      • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 5:23 am #

        @ganja is that suppose to be a pun at the end?
        http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1736152.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Mackenzie%20Crook-1736152.jpg

      • Ganja - June 29, 2013 at 5:52 am #

        failed

      • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 6:00 am #

        nvm the image.

      • Croco~Boy - June 29, 2013 at 6:17 am #

        Nice never thought of that, but good point kinda like Piccolo wearing weighted cloths.
        As for Mihawk what if he was a hawk that ate a “monster” zoan model Dracula. Would like to know if there are more sub-catagories to the zoan family.

      • Gedatsu - June 29, 2013 at 6:28 am #

        Im going out on a limb here,but I was thinking to attain a higher mastery of your sword you have to sacrifice something,or kinda make a contract with it.

        Zoro’s eye,Shanks Arm,Fujitora eyes.As for Miwhawk he don’t have any major scars or injuries so that doesn’t really apply to him ,but it could be he sacrifice something that isn’t tangible like a feeling or something

      • K~N~E~E~L - June 29, 2013 at 7:14 am #

        all those who had handicapped are all badass

      • Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 7:20 am #

        there doesn’t need to be more categories, the vampire zoan if it existed would fall in the mythical category.

  23. moss head - June 29, 2013 at 7:08 am #

    of the matter do white beard belongs to long men tribe as we have seen that all the long men tribe people are long

    • Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 7:38 am #

      there is no long men tribe, there’s long arms, long legs, long bodies and long necks, WB is just very tall, like Moriah or Kuma

  24. Nidai Kitetsu - June 29, 2013 at 8:05 am #

    I expect one of the following to break Zoro’s sandai kitetsu, after which time they will head to wano where zoro will meet kitetsu himself who will bestow upon him the nidai kitetsu.
    who do u think will cause sandais demise:
    * Pica, spade seat guy (least likely imo)
    * Kaido’s right hand (most likely imo)
    * Big moms right hand

    • moss head - June 29, 2013 at 9:05 am #

      yep definitely if you go our way same but what oda got under his sleeve we don’t know
      but zoro might get a major boost in his sword collection after visiting wano country.I think wano heads will see zoro’s ryuma sword and might make a one on one fight promising him some of the most anticipated sword in OP(other than or might be next to mihawk’s)
      and that of who will break sword oops no idea.
      the ones you gave might break sword or there might be other visitors to.
      we shouldn’t surprise if shilew look up at the dreerosa and there his cavendish some of them are there for name and fame but can’t predic who might break his sword

      • moss head - June 29, 2013 at 9:05 am #

        again bad English by me

  25. moss head - June 29, 2013 at 9:07 am #

    i got some idea from above Nidai Kitetsu post
    can we except shilew on dress rosa and zoro dueling him

    • komori Ningen the OPtard - June 29, 2013 at 10:44 pm #

      It’s highly unlikely