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One Piece 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 712 Spoiler

2013 June 17

One Piece 712 Spoiler : The last Chapter end with Fujitora and Dofla are both approaching the beach, ! So what happens next..? find out story on One Piece 712 Spoilers 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第712話 at Mangaspoiler.com. if you would like to discuss the Spoiler or prediction, please leave a comment below.

One Piece 712 Spoiler

Credit: Redon

Onepiece Chapter 712: Violet.

30 minutes ago in Dressrosa. Sanji has been caught by Violet and other Donquixote Family mobs.

Violet was a killer of Club Trebol army of the Donquixote Family with the power of Devil Fruit “Giro Giro no Mi” (giro is the onomatopoeia of “look intently”). She can see through everyone’s mind.

Violet wanted to know their plan and purpose but surprised that can only see women in Sanji’s mind.

Sanji said he never doubt women’s tears and believed what did Violet say before: I hope you can kill a man for me (chap.703).

Violet was moved and suddenly used the power of Devil Fruit to knock all mobs down.

Then Violet let Sanji see what happened in the morning when CP0 arrived in Dressrosa. CP0 told Dressrosa’s residents the World Government will revise the news about Doflamingo quitted the Shichibukai and the king of Dressrosa at 3pm and asked them not to leak.

Back to the beach. Fujitora asked Sakazuki: “What happened? The Marine Headquarters has been fooled?” Sakazuki apologized and said: “I am going to Mariejois and ask the Gorosei.”

At this moment Robin used ability to create a copy of herself to let Law know they are in underground.

After that, Doflamingo arrived at the beach.

Law: “You are just a pirate. You don’t have authority to fool the world even if you are the Shichibukai.
If someone that can do to this extent. He must be the Celestial Dragons.
Can it be that you are…!?”

Doflamingo: “…Law! I really want to kill you!”

End of Onepiece 712 chapter.

[Thanks Riley]

One Piece 712 Trivia: Ironically, law wanted poster shows Bepo appearing in the background with his head turned in the same position and stance as Usopp in Luffy’s poster.

2,343 Responses to “One Piece 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 712 Spoiler”

  1. ganja - June 29, 2013 at 9:44 am #

    http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-473-page-5.html of course ussop is the first one lol

  2. ganja - June 29, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    all I know is yonkou are the strongest pirates according to garp and from the only two yonkou we ve seen they displayed they clash they sword. One went down and started a war beat an admiral plus one ex shishibukai and the other one stop the war. shishibukai have no chances against them thats why they ally themselves with the WG. They are bitch made I have more respect for kidd, apoo and killer for going after them instead of being snitches and devils advocate.

  3. Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 11:13 am #

    Just came up in my mind

    Well it’s about the emperors power levels.Since Wb is confirmed he is strongest man in the world.

    But if the Wb was the strongest all other the emperors would be wipe out.If they aren’t so they are too strong if compared to WB. Since they together make balance in the seas

    So this what i think

    White beard[Ex-emperor] =Strongest man in the world[Human]
    Kaidou =Strongest creature in the world[Animal]
    Big Mam= Strongest Giant in the world[Other race]
    Shanks=Strongest Haki user in the world[i am just assuming]
    BB=Strongest Df’s user in the world[I am just assuming since he is going to have 3 of them]

    So all of them have strongest title in their race

    So on the whole all are equal that’s all these years there was balance.

    • fame - June 29, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

      before you go on, whiteboard was not only said to be the strongest man but the strongest of the yonko, he was far above them. the reason he didn’t wipe out the others is because he had no interest in power, fame and fortune, he wanted a family and was satisfied with that. even being like that he was he strongest pirate in the world, incomparable to any other.

      • Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

        And well fame the reason is wrong which you said
        “He had no interest in power, fame and fortune, he wanted a family and was satisfied with that” this reason is why didn’t become a pirate king after roger death.

        The Yonko (四皇 Yonkō?, literally meaning “Four Emperors”) are the four most notorious and most powerful pirate captains in the world (by the World Government) Yonko Individually, they are considered to be the most powerful pirates in the world.

      • Tupac - June 29, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

        That part wasn’t wrong. His lack of interest in power and wealth would be the reason as to why he didn’t wipe out the other yonkou for no reason.

        If they were to have attacked his family, yeah, he would’ve taken them out. But to take them out for the sole purpose of taking their treasure while emphasizing and glorifying his own power? Nah.

      • Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

        Tupac you don’t get it.That answer is why he didn’t become Pk that because he didn’t wanted power, fame and fortune, he wanted a family and was satisfied with that.

        Yonko came later on.He could become pk before that

      • Tupac - June 29, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

        Uhm… ok then, let me ask you this..

        Why exactly do you feel Whitebeard either would’ve or should’ve just randomly wiped out the other yonkou? Just because he was the strongest?

      • fame - June 29, 2013 at 4:17 pm #

        yawn you’re quoting old, irrelevant information and ignoring new.

        for you information whitebeard had no interest in all those things even when roger was alive and before he became pirate king.

        there are 2 flashbacks that explicitly tell you that. the first, when whitebeard became a pirate and the second, when roger told whitebeard about the will of d., raftel and one piece

    • K~N~E~E~L - June 29, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

      no luffy will become the strongest, someone always compared luffy to zoro or other characters in one piece, did u guys not realize dat he was short and had physical disadvantages

      • Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

        Fame Was it?? because last thing i remember is that Wb title was The Strongest Man in the World not the strongest Yonkou title…Can you show in which manga chapter it was mention he was strongest yonko in case i have missed it….

      • Tupac - June 29, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

        Uhm, he didn’t disagree with you. It seemed that for whatever reason, while agreeing with you, he proceeded to name people of whom Whitebeard was stronger than, despite the initial point being Whitebeard was the strongest in the world. Meaning he was stronger than everyone during his time…

        Seems like an unnecessary post that was made to prove a point of which still eludes me…

        No offense intended by the way. Just my observation…

      • Tupac - June 29, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

        Latter half of his post was relevant and true, though. Whitebeard had no interest in much other than his family.

      • Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

        Well i have no offense what people thoughts are about my thoughts[Well about latter half what fame said i mentioned above below his post my reply]

        The Strongest Man in the World was his title i am sure i read that last on manga stream.Can be i miss out something because i never came up to a chapter in which WB was said to be strongest Yonko or something like that.Well i accept there was mistranslation on mangapanda “The Strongest pirate in the World “later i read it on mangastream “The Strongest Man in the World” Well it’s long back so i could miss couple of things

        My Thoughts Yonko are the Strongest pirate captains in the world
        Thats why i came up with theory which i posted above Tupac

      • Tupac - June 29, 2013 at 4:13 pm #

        When I said no offense intended I was referring to Fame’s post not yours…

        aaaaaand you completely misunderstood both my and his posts..

    • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 4:13 pm #

      http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2340-12/one-piece/chapter-233.html

      hopefully this clears it up….

      • fame - June 29, 2013 at 4:18 pm #

        stubborn fellas hehe

      • Tupac - June 29, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

        Seems we’re all in agreeance on that matter then. Now, patiently awaits for Yawn to realize that..

      • Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

        ahhahah Tupac last few lines of the post was for you that’s why mention your name in the last.If was talking to you from the start i would have used @tupac at the start of my post well never mind

      • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

        and before someone comes up with translation, here is the mangastream link with the exact same line:

        http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-233-page-13.html

      • Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

        Well Tupac ,fame, nickname assholes i have mention something related what nickname posted in my previous post above his……Well still i am not sure where i read it it maybe mangastream or somewhere sigh …

      • Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

        Well Tupac i don’t why didn’t he wipe out the emperors.
        What i think is Maybe like food chain those who are on the top will eat the below ones.If they are equal they would normally live in different places well they would attack the other one if he enter his home.Well i think same goes to the emperors

        ahahah Fame well i don’t know if it’s old or not but i pretty sure that was reason he didn’t became a pirate king

      • Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

        Well i am clearly aware what is said and post about Whitebeard for a while i am at your side

        http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-432-page-7.html

        Garp’s mention shanks is alongside white beard with the other 2 yonko. If they were below him then he should said be after white beard

        Well let’s agree to disagreee….:)

    • big dick johnson - June 29, 2013 at 8:40 pm #

      Big mum- strongest female pirate

      • dgreatkevin - June 30, 2013 at 11:42 am #

        strongest pirate. not the strongest pirate crew.
        idiots above me.

  4. ganja - June 29, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

    are frankys hands made out of kairouzeki?? He grabbed cariboo and it looks like Z’s smasher’s hand.

    • shishi sonson - June 29, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

      No it isnt made of sea stone. At that time caribou simply choose not to reveal his ability.
      But it would be awesome if they were indeed made of sea stone though.

      • ganja - June 29, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

        I agree but knowing that he d have to fight devil fruit users wouldnt it be safe for him to kairouzekize his hands lol

    • Dean - June 29, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

      That’s good idea Franky should do that

    • sumbertronik computer sintang - June 29, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

      i agree, wapol metal+kairoseki=unbreakable, or how about franky make his body with ponelgyp material? sound good

      • K~N~E~E~L - June 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

        he’ll indestructible

    • Big_Dick_Wolf - June 30, 2013 at 11:16 am #

      Yes, I really want to see this ultimate final form to build completely by that material.

  5. Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 5:16 pm #

    Saying old version of Whitebeard was still the strongest Yonkou is a respectable opinion, but “Sengoku said so” and “Buggy said so” doesn’t mean a lot. Buggy’s and Sengoku’s last memories of seeing Whitebeard fight were confirmably over 2 decades ago.

    @ Toys.

    It’s both the WG and Shichibukais combined that are on par with just 4 Yonkous, not individually.

    It’s hard to really say the marines are currently more powerful than they were pre time skip. I know they said it (though they could have just meant more absolute justice involved), but so far we only know that they’ve lost two legendary marines and only replaced them with Fujitora and another (likely random like Fujitora) Admiral. I myself am still curious to see how they became stronger if that is suppose to be true.

    As for Aokiji’s statement, Doflamingo isn’t a threat because of his power alone. He’s supplying weapons to powerful pirates all over the world, including Kaidou. He and his crew alone are already really powerful, and at the same time he’s greatly powering up other powerful crews including a Yonkous’.

    People like to point to Doflamingo being the “most dangerous man in the world” title. But there’s a reason they give him a roundabout nickname and focus on the word dangerous, rather than say or imply he’s the most powerful.

    @ jekyll.

    You are right on the money my friend, great explanation about the current Arc. I always thought it was odd seeing the occasional person say this Arc had been slow, when we already had so many new and progressive plot points and storylines going on at once.

    @ strawhatter.

    I don’t think any Strawhat will die, but if I had to choose one it’d be Usopp. Dying in a brave way, thereby accomplishing his goal while also creating a highly emotional scene and theoretically saving someone.

    @ Nickname.

    Responded to your post on page 18.

    • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 6:11 pm #

      The only powerful pirate that DD is supplying weapons to (that we know of) is Kaido and that doesn’t make even the tiny bit of sense to me because he wants to be PK. I’m still going with the theory that those SMILEs are nothing good for Kaido. If they said they’re stronger than why do you doubt it? I doubt he’s supplying weapons to BM or Shanks as neither seem to have an interest in power. BB might be an exception but we need more info. Supplying weapons wouldn’t make him the most dangerous man in the world, Aokiji also said if his plan (the gears and stuff which Law also spoke of) start to move into play it’ll be bigger than any other problem the Marines face. As for most powerful that depends on how you define power right now DD has the power to fool even Akainu that makes him more powerful than any other character excluding the Gorosei and since we don’t know just how strong he is we can’t conclude his power in terms of strength. As for the Marines I’d also like to see how they became more powerful I’m hoping for more than 3 Admirals.

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 6:18 pm #

        On the contrary, Law stated that Kaidou was only his most important client, which means he’s not his only one.

        Furthermore, CC illustrated that Doflamingo sells/trades with many brokers around the world.

        I didn’t say he supplies it to EVERYONE, though I imagine he would if everyone was interested. I don’t think Shanks is interested in “cheat codes” so to speak.

        Blackbeard wouldn’t even have to do that since he can just take DFs from people for free.

        When I say powerful I’m referring to overall strength. Not political power.

    • jekyll or hyde - June 29, 2013 at 10:29 pm #

      Thanks. I guess I understand why ppl are in a hurry; we want new mysteries to be revealed , new theories to discuss, etc. But I wish ppl would just enjoy the adventure as well.

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 10:42 pm #

        Indeed, I don’t want this series to be rushed. I want to take my time and enjoy it.

        Plus, as you have said before, for the most part OP’s pacing has always been like this. I think a lot of people who just catch up on it think it’s slow because they don’t remember it that way when they got to read/watch it all in bulk.

  6. Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

    @ Buster.

    She was a rookie pirate. Doesn’t mean she’s not really old.

    @ komori.

    Indeed, though Oda said her “estimated” age is 24. Plus she’s allowed to manipulate her age, so. I mean either way is possible, it’s just a thought at any rate.

    @ Nidai.

    I’m not convinced most Vice Admirals are stronger than Lucci, but I agree Vergo would definitely defeat him. IMO Current Sanji has surpassed Lucci, and Sanji seemed to imply that he’d have lost to Vergo had their fight continued.

    @ manga and NewFireFistAce.

    I actually also enjoyed the Grand Magic Games for the most part, and while I wouldn’t go so far as to say Oda’s lazy, Mashima is definitely a really hard worker. One of the hardest working weekly Mangakas for sure.

    That said, as much as I love FT, I have to agree with jekyll that OP is better in just about every way. Storyline, action, character development, emotional involvement, etc..

    About why Oda doesn’t do “triple chapters”, to be fair FT has no where near the amount of dialogue and events taking place that OP’s chapters do. Considering it takes me 10-15 minutes to read a OP chapter and about 4 minutes to read a FT chapter, a OP chapter essentially is equiavlent in content to being a triple FT chapter lol. Could you imagine a Mangaka writing 30-45 minutes worth of reading material in just a week? 12-15 minutes is difficult but much easier.

    That said I can’t wait for the triple chapters. Hopefully it’s not just some BS where two chapters are more focused on side stories or something lol.

  7. blas - June 29, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    the reasons why WB didn’t wipe out the other yonkou was bec. if one would fight each other the other would take the chance to its advantage the war and would not hesitate to kill the injured.

  8. cipy - June 29, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

    Quiz
    Witch one of the new characters you think will be more usefull to add in the SH crew(not most powerfull but with most usefll ability)?
    1. Bartholomeo with his wall ability;
    2. Violet with her reading mind ability;
    3. The dwarf who is with Zoro with his speed;

    You can add other characters if you see fit but only from this arc.

    • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

      Violet.

    • thatguy - June 29, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

      I believe wicca is a girl, and I think she has the most utility in comparison to the other two.

      1) She has super strength. Something that can be useful in a fight as well as lifting stuff around the ship.

      2) She has super speed, great for delivering stuff for the rest of the crew or to provide help more quickly than the rest

      3) She is small. Easy for recon operations, as well as being a GPS for zoro.

      4) She is a girl. A wonderful change of pace from the current sausage fest, and an additional female for nami and robin to chat and hang with.

      5) She is extreme in personality, and that is awesome addition to the already extreme natures aboard the ship. Provides plenty of fun for a crew looking for a good time.

      Just some of my thoughts.

    • PieBallz360 - June 29, 2013 at 6:22 pm #

      None of the above #MomoForStrawhat

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

        Nooo, please no Momo. >.>

    • PieBallz360 - June 29, 2013 at 6:22 pm #

      None of the above #MomoForStrawhat

    • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

      Baby 5

  9. K~N~E~E~L - June 29, 2013 at 5:55 pm #

    one piece new opening

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_KZxJFEeM

  10. Pure - June 29, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

    Maybe One Piece is simple, like Roger’s true treasure was a achivment like for “surprising strongest pirate there was” and making something PK couldn’t do, afterall most of their jurney they spent on helping other people (skypians, alabastians(?), fishman etc..) and the main succes would be to free entire humanity

    • Pure - June 29, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

      that just dumb you idiot

      • ToysAreUs - June 29, 2013 at 7:28 pm #

        lol’d

  11. Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 7:25 pm #

    I can see that being the case, but personally speaking I would be disappointed if the One Piece treasure isn’t something physical.

    Still a long, long, long way from finding out what it is though obviously.

  12. Pure - June 29, 2013 at 7:37 pm #

    I got a feeling Kaidou will be the first victim of luffy, first villan killed (furious fights). That wuold rank up OP to almost dbz level of badassness

  13. bem - June 29, 2013 at 7:48 pm #

    hey op’ers ..

    • Shunshin No Shisui - June 29, 2013 at 7:52 pm #

      hey, longtime no see

    • fame - June 29, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

      i worship this woman

  14. Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 7:49 pm #

    I got a question for some funny guys here. Why should Oda describe WB as both the strongest man and the strongest pirate in the world if it wouldn’t be the case?

    this is a rhetorical question btw….

    Newsflash: You guys are not Oda and when he puts this kind of statement in his manga which leaves absolutely no room for different interpretations or speculation, you should just put your biased opinions aside and accept the facts.

    case closed, with any further disagreement you just expose your own ignorance.

    • fame - June 29, 2013 at 7:55 pm #

      when it comes to this I’m like, fuck it, what they interpret will never change what the text literally says.

      which makes me feel even more stupid when I realise I take time to argue over text that is as clear as day with ‘funny people’.

      • Yawn - June 29, 2013 at 8:06 pm #

        Lol……

    • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

      So when Oda describes Doflamingo being inferior to Kaidou one on one, we’re allowed to interpret.

      But if he says Whitebeard’s reputation is strongest man in the world, it’s fact and there are no two ways about it.

      Then what does it mean when Oda describes Kizaru as surrendering to Beckman? In fact, Oda wrote the marines to be surprised that Shanks dealt with Kaidou and got there in less than a day. So I guess Shanks factually defeated Kaidou in such a short time frame, or scared him away.

      Let’s not forget Oda also stated all Whitebeard Commanders are equal. So I guess it’s safe to say Izo is as powerful as Kizaru, since Marco was able to fight on par with him. Or that Izo has just as much command and status in the crew as Marco.

      • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 9:24 pm #

        lol and there I thought it couldn’t get any funnier.

        Law said Kaidou would wipe out DD, which means that DD and his crew won’t stand a chance against Kaidou and his forces, which shouldn’t be that big news since the yonkou’s military might even rivals the marine HQ’s.

        also IDK if you noticed but Kizaru tends not to act serious at times. this is quite hard to notice tho but I’m glad to help and point it out for you :-)

        Also where did anybody say Shanks and Kaidou actually fought? I’ve never seen anybody stating this but feel free to post a link with this statement in case I missed it.

        Also when Oda stated the WB’s commander as equals he was answering a question in a SBS and IIRC the question was if the divisions of the WB pirates are ranked in any particular order. Oda answered this with no and said that all commanders are equal, which means in this context that all of them hold the same amount of authority in the crew. and as we all should know authority doesn’t equal strength (Garp and Sengoku are a pretty good example here I guess), especially since it’s highly unlikely for 16 ppl to have equal strength anyways.

        I hope I could clear a few things up, if you have further questions feel free to ask :-)

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 9:31 pm #

        But see, you’re taking liberties with statements in your own right. You’re saying “Even though Law said Kaidou would wipe out Doflamingo, what he really meant was (insert explanation)”. You’re saying “Even though Kizaru surrendered to Beckman, he was just kidding.”. You’re saying “Even though the marines were shocked that Shanks intercepted Kaidou and dealt with him, and then made it all the way here”, that Shanks did something other than defeat or scare him off. But when people say “They said Whitebeard’s strongest, but they just mean it’s his reputation from over 20 years ago” you say we can’t interpret it any other way than what it was written, in other words we can’t take liberties with it.

        I’m of the belief that there are multiple interpretations available in either case. I feel like context supports the Kaidou > Doflamingo argument, but in no way, shape, or form do I think “Sorry guys but that’s the only interpretation there is. You’re not allowed to think otherwise.”.

        My point is, if you’re going to use that logic to deny our argument then that means you’d have to drop plenty of arguments that you’ve made that would go against said logic.

        As for the WB Commander stuff, I’d like to see that for myself. But even then, I actually also pointed out that there’s no way Izo has the same status/level of command that Marco has (just in case you brought that up- as you had done so in a previous debate several months ago).

      • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 9:42 pm #

        I already said it above, all these statements/examples you just used leave plenty of room for interpretation but Whitebeard being stated as strongest man and pirate doesn’t. I don’t have any problems with different interpretations even if I disagree with them but there are also some certain facts like WB being the strongest.

        also it was stated he IS the strongest not that he was it 20 years ago…..

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 9:49 pm #

        Why doesn’t it?

        The only two people who state he “is” the strongest, are people who haven’t seen Whitebeard fight in at least over 2 decades (let alone when they last saw Shanks fight as well) if not longer. So whether or not strongest was still true or if he was just being called that due to an old reputation is unclear. Meaning there are multiple interpretations.

      • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

        perfect example of running in circles….

        “Why should Oda describe WB as both the strongest man and the strongest pirate in the world if it wouldn’t be the case?”

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

        Btw…

        My bringing up those examples was in reference to you saying “Oda wrote that statement, so there are no ways about it”. Oda also wrote the examples I posted.

        If it was Shanks or something admitting Whitebeard was still stronger at the time, I’d be agreeing with you on WB.

        But Whitebeard had stated he and Sengoku haven’t even seen each other (let alone seen each other fight) in “decades”, and Buggy’s most recent memories of seeing WB fight were 23+ years before he made that statement.

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 9:54 pm #

        ^This actually works as a response to your most recent post, though that wasn’t even why I made it.

        But oh well.

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

        And it’s running in circles because you’re like “We have to take the Whitebeard statement as fact because Oda wrote that statement.”.

        Then I respond with “Well he also wrote the statement that Kaidou would wipe out Doflamingo”, and then you respond with “Well there are multiple ways to interpret it”, and then I respond with “Well the same should be said for the WB case then”, and then you respond with “Well why would Oda write that statement if it weren’t true?”.

      • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 9:58 pm #

        and the next circle…

        “all these statements/examples you just used leave plenty of room for interpretation but Whitebeard being stated as strongest man and pirate doesn’t.”

        also how about answering this question above?

      • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

        asking an other question is not the same answering it btw…

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

        Okay, and then the next response in that circle is “But there are two ways to interpret the Whitebeard statement. It can be interpreted as a reputation from his earlier days or it can be interpreted as being both.”.

        That said, since you want me to answer from an author’s perspective as to why he’d write the WB thing…

        What makes it easy for him to have it mean it’s just a reputation from his prime days is, it can still hold true if you’re talking his prime. But no matter how you interpret it, it will hype his character for the present war and the present Arc. Yet, it also allows him to not show the best the pirates have to offer yet and save it for the final war. Shanks can still be used as the piece Luffy has to surpass to become PK.

        If anything, from an author’s perspective there’s even LESS reason for it to mean he still is the strongest because the ONLY thing that would accomplish is hyping up the current war/Arc while leaving no teaser/hype for the red hairs at a later war.

        My interpretation accomplishes both, yours only helps promote that one Arc.

      • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

        I think I’ll try to go a bit more into detail, I’m pretty sure I’ll regret it but maybe it helps.

        1) Law’s statement about DD and Kaidou: what causes the arguments here is that we can’t tell for sure did Oda want to tell us if Kaidou alone confronts DD he will be wiped out (which is what you think) or does Oda mean with Kaidou both Kaidou and his crew and his crew (what I think). Oda used the captain and his names quite often as representative for the whole crew like for example the SHs appear and someone yells “It’s Strawhat Luffy!”, although it’s not just him but some of the other SHs as well, the same happened when Law showed up at the war btw. and for god’s sake please don’t start this debate again, I’m tired of it and this was just to make this clear.

        2) Buggy’s statement about WB: “He is currently the strongest pirate of the world” – this time it’s clear it’s just WB and not his crew as well, since a crew can’t be the strongest man. There is also a currently in this statement to make it clear it’s still the case. That’s it, no space left for any other interpretation, Oda made this as clear as possible but if you want to be so ignorant to not accept this fact and remain with your biased opinion like you always do, fine. I’m not going to elaborate any further this, I’m not wasting any more time over an argument about a simple fact of a manga.

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 10:34 pm #

        Only thing is, that’s thinking of it more from only Doflamingo’s perspective and not the author’s. I try to look at both the character’s and author’s perspective. If we were to view the WB thing only as “Oda said it, so it’s fact” then we must view it that way with Law’s statement. I don’t think it’s fair to say “Well what was meant by that was”, but then we can’t do that with the WB statement.

        Personally, in both cases, I’m looking at it like “There are multiple ways to interpret it”. I disagree, respectfully, with the “Law was including everyone” interpretation (due to context and looking at it from Oda’s perspective), but I still see it as a possible interpretation and won’t say people can’t possibly think of it that way.

        WB’s statement, again I don’t think people shouldn’t be able to look at it like he’s still the strongest, but by the same token there’s merit to it being more so a reputation he earned ages ago (as from a character’s perspective, those people hadn’t seen WB fight in ages, but even from Oda’s perspective I find that it still makes more sense that way).

        If Oda intended to convey to us that Kaidou > Doflamingo (which I believe he did), it’s not as if this wouldn’t be the better thing for him to do in order to promote and hype multiple Arcs all in one go. Using the alternative interpretation, it really does nothing for Kaidou’s hype and only hypes the current Arc itself.

        Using your interpretation of the WB statement, it again only really promotes that Arc where as the other interpretation allows him to hype both at once.

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 10:39 pm #

        Plus statements like “The strongest” are so often used in Manga solely for the purpose of hype and will later on be contradicted…

        Fairy Tail: Jose is a wizard saint, so he’s clearly top 10 strongest in FT. But oh wait, there are multiple non-wizard saints more powerful than him (something we find out later on).

        Rogue and Sting killed dragons, wtf no other dragon slayer that we’ve seen comes close to that capability. But oh…later on it’s revealed the dragons let them kill them.

        Naruto: We’ve had statements claiming Minato, Hashirama, and Sarutobi are all the strongest. Iruka claims Sarutobi is strongest of all time. Tsunade claims Hashirama is strongest of all time. Kakashi claims Minato is strongest of all time.

        Bleach: Yamamoto states “Ukitake and Kyoraku have always been stronger than anyone else”, yet we know Unohana is stronger.

        To me, this is why statements alone don’t do it for me. Because until actually proven, I see it as hype from the author to make us excited for certain Arcs.

      • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 10:42 pm #

        that currently in this statement clearly speaks against this being nothing but a past reputation but then again what I said above applies for me as well, you’re not Oda but neither am I.

        I think it would be the best if we just accept that our opinions on what should be considered a fact differ and I’ll take back what I said about being ignorant, so we can leave it that.

      • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 10:46 pm #

        Alright, we’ll agree to disagree then.

        But in 12 years from now when Shanks is messing up the entire WG single handedly I’ll just be like I told you so…..

        j/k.

        But nah I do think we’ll have a better idea of which side of the argument is correct later on, be it my side or your side.

  15. fame - June 29, 2013 at 8:38 pm #

    Yeah I think fraky’s giant hands ARE made from sea stone, I said this when he first showed up, that explains the size and their resemblance to Z’s hand, which vegapunk also made.

    franky did say from mastering vegapunk’s research and technology he understood ‘his dream’. he was also able to grab caribou like ganja said – most people missed that, it even slipped my mind.

    • big dick johnson - June 29, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

      na coribou chose not to turn to logia form otherwise it would give him up.

      It would be bad ass for franky to have sea stone made hands.

      IMo i think it would be bad ass if the SHS get new stuff after they meet vegapunk.

      Franky-sea stone hands or knuckles

      • fame - June 29, 2013 at 8:50 pm #

        he just chose to be captured? logia turn into their element by reflex, they don’t need to activate their powers, it should have been impossible for franky to grab him no matter what.

      • Usoppun (-",) - June 30, 2013 at 6:51 am #

        @fame

        then how does luffy touch ace?? if he’s always a logia whole time??

  16. Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 10:02 pm #

    hey leptor I got an other great topic for a discussion.

    You know there are these ppl who say Luffy is the main protagonist of One Piece. This is completely ridicolous IMO, its clear as day that Usopp is the main protagonist of this series and this whole adventure is just one of the tales he is currently telling Kaya.

    I suppose you’re with me like you always are, aren’t you?

    • Leptor - June 29, 2013 at 10:08 pm #

      Ha, that’d be really fucked up if that happened.

      Hell, if that does happen I’ll personally go out and buy so many copies of AoT that it does surpass OP sales.

      • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

        lol at least you take it with humor, kudos for that (this is indeed serious this time).

    • Nickname #1 - June 29, 2013 at 10:27 pm #

      I just realized that this could actually make a great ending. Usopp finishs the story of the SH’s adventure and then suddenly the real Luffy appears and says “Hey, I’m Luffy, the guy who will become the Pirate King! I heard you guys have a ship….”

      there you have it guys, I just called the ending of OP
      #like a boss

      • NewFireFistAce - June 29, 2013 at 11:56 pm #

        So it’d be a loop in a sense. What you say coil be true but I feel that it’d be the grown up Usopp after the end of one piece telling story rather than the one from the syrup village arc

  17. ganja - June 30, 2013 at 12:29 am #

    ok I understand something though Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world as buggy said but we are going to take these two statements as facts too:
    http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-563-page-10.html marco and crocodile statements ok we keep on moving and also whitebeard takin about how pitiful he looks, ok now whitebeard own statement http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-563-page-13.html on the right corner, I can’t be the strongest forver himself said, ok we keep on moving lol now black beard statement http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-576-page-7.html Now can we still argue that he was the strongest? lol

  18. ganja - June 30, 2013 at 12:32 am #

    I think WB was the strongest in term of mass destruction. but he had weakened a lot and wasnt the strongest no more himself says that to crocodile at the war

  19. agerr1 - June 30, 2013 at 12:53 am #

    PROPHECY ..

    Oda will take a break after 713

    • ToysAreUs - June 30, 2013 at 2:16 am #

      Prophecy: You’re wrong.

  20. agerr1 - June 30, 2013 at 12:55 am #

    One piece’s storyline is really complicated ..

    But naruto’s storyline is too nancy-fancy-two-sided-shit

    • Nidai Kitetsu - June 30, 2013 at 4:52 am #

      is that a bad thing though?
      I prefer complicated stories, they engage me intellectually.

      of course u have people wondering about WBs strength who would probably have a hard time grasping things since they cant even grasp that the strongest pirate is a man so if the strongest man is a pirate then he is also the strongest pirate, but im sure those people will still enjoy the pretty graphics and the fighting

  21. yoohime - June 30, 2013 at 3:43 am #

    i know it’s out of topic, 4give me just this one time…but could any1 tell me a good storyline COMPLETED(not ON GOING) ANIME to watch…?? i love all of kind of genres…i’ve watched samuurai X, Rurouni kenshin OVA 1-end,samurai 7, samurai champloo, guilty crown, FMA, YY Hakusho, Katekyo Hitman reborn, Death Note, Code Geass, Clannad/& A.story, Angel Beats, Dragon Ball & Z & GT, wolf’s rain, Gundam seed & Destiny, gundam wing, gundam 00, gundam Age, Captain tsubasa, kaichou wa maid sama (not completed), Sakurasou no pet na kanojo, Toradora, D.Grayman, deadman wonderland(not completed), naruto bleach OP (not completed), shingeki no kyojin (not completed), fairy tail (not completed), belzebub (not completed), blood ++,Anohana,Inuyasha,Ao no Exorcist (not completed), get beckers (not completed), samurai deeper kyo, claymore (not comleted), digimon season 1&2, pokemon 1st season –> best wishes, full metal panick, mushishi, spice and wolf,
    Chrome Shelled Regios, bakemonogatari, nisemonogatari, katanagatari, nekomonogatari: kuro, avatar the last air bender and legend of kora (not an anime though), Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team,dogdays,Hunter X Hunter (not Completed),nurarihyon 1st and 2nd season,detective conan (not completed), Air,Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya,Azumanga Daioh,sword art online,They are my noble Masters,ichigo,saki, and many others that i already forgot…….please tell me!!!! really need appreciate it, i prefer a COMPLETED (not on going) Anime! thank you!

    • fame - June 30, 2013 at 5:50 am #

      you have great taste. i seen all those too, no fullmetal alchemist? try sengoku basra, witch hunter robin, ghost in the shell, outlaw star, tenchi muyo, tenchi universe, break blade, tenjo tenge, air gear, guyver, yu yu hakusho, rave, gun x sword, trigun, tiger and bunny, high school of the dead, 07 ghost, afro samurai, aeon flux, air master, appleseed..

      there are loads to name, just google for completed anime series. all the the above were amazing.

      • fame - June 30, 2013 at 5:51 am #

        http://www.animeplus.tv/completed-anime one of my favourite sites, you can even sort by genre

      • Gedatsu - June 30, 2013 at 7:00 am #

        Good List,Outlaw Star,Ghost in the Shell Must See!

    • Gedatsu - June 30, 2013 at 6:51 am #

      Just to Add to the list couple underated anime all dubbed btw : “Tower of Druaga”(A+), “Scrapped Princess” “s-CRY-ed”,”Ikken Tousen”,”Speed Grapher”,last two are very explicit and graphic but awsome.

      Also Higurashi no Naku Koro ni is super creepy one but cool too,Highly recommend but at your own risk.

      Also the whole “Slayers” anime if you want something to watch with over 4 seasons with 20 episode each,you are gonna love it

      “Kiba” is a good one too,over 50 episode.Really cool,Enjoyed that one a lot

      You are bound to find one you like in here.They are all complete.Have fun

      • Gedatsu - June 30, 2013 at 6:56 am #

        Forgot “Cowboy Bebop”,”Black lagoon” Of course Duh .These two are masterpieces .Highly recommend if you haven’t seen it.

    • michieru - June 30, 2013 at 8:34 am #

      Psryren would be good..and the breaker too.

    • Big_Dick_Wolf - June 30, 2013 at 11:26 am #

      Gantz

  22. K~N~E~E~L - June 30, 2013 at 4:58 am #

    do you guys think they’ll make this into anime

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7tGUAzYERU

  23. ganja - June 30, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    maybe franky’s arm not made out of kairozeki after all smh all years he never thought about it http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-606-page-7.html

    • Big_Dick_Wolf - June 30, 2013 at 11:31 am #

      Only OP noobs would have thought his arms was made by sea stones after reading that chapter.

      • ganja - June 30, 2013 at 11:34 am #

        I actually thought about it tho but it is so stupid that he spent 2 years at a vegapunk laboratory and didnt think of it. and I have a guess that pandaman used to be pirate king before roger http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-487-page-4.html he was notorious back in the day maybe he still alive and follow the one who he think is gonna ba next.

      • ganja - June 30, 2013 at 11:34 am #

        I actually thought about it tho but it is so stupid that he spent 2 years at a vegapunk laboratory and didnt think of it. and I have a guess that pandaman used to be pirate king before roger http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-487-page-4.html he was notorious back in the day maybe he still alive and follow the one who he think is gonna ba next.

      • Yawn - June 30, 2013 at 1:05 pm #

        Well i don’t know about franky hand being kairozeki but he will have kairozeki for sure or some weapons which can hit a logic users…..

  24. Eekram - June 30, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    Zehaha. :-D

  25. komori Ningen the OPtard - June 30, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    If franky’s hands were made of seastones, he would have weakened the strawhat member who have DFs everytime he touches them
    Which is not the case
    Now I’m not saying that he does not have a secret weapon made of seastone, he can But his giant hands, the way they are now, they definitely not made of sea-stones