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One Piece 738 Spoiler 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第738話

2014 February 13

One Piece 738 Spoiler : The last Chapter end with Leo himself will attempt to sneak the fake grape in Sugar’s basket..…!! So what happens next..? find out story on One Piece 737 Spoiler 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第737話 at Mangaspoiler.com. if you would like to discuss the Spoiler or prediction, please leave a comment below.

One Piece 738 Spoiler Summaries

Credits: Redon & Aohige_AP

Chapter 738 Trebol army Special officer Sugar
coverart is Franky and mice living in a dollhouse

With incredible speed he catches up and jumps on top of Robin, but the Robin clone disappears without a trace.
He recognizes her face, and realizes that Straw Hats are down here and after Sugar.

Enraged, Trebol picks up the pirate ship and hurls it at the tower, destroying it.

End of chapter.

Sugar is badass.

One Piece 738 Trivia: Roger was the first named character shown in the One Piece series and the first person in general in the manga.

3,409 Responses to “One Piece 738 Spoiler 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第738話”

  1. Gotei13 - February 9, 2014 at 4:48 pm #

    First… :D

  2. lip999 - February 9, 2014 at 4:54 pm #

    first

  3. lolking - February 9, 2014 at 4:54 pm #

    First !!

  4. Slim Shady - February 9, 2014 at 5:14 pm #

    69

  5. Komori Ningen - February 9, 2014 at 5:18 pm #

    Luffy is wearing the same yellow sash as Roger

  6. kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 5:20 pm #

    roger started and WB ended the great pirate era

  7. kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 5:23 pm #

    guess ODA wont be showing sanji’s group fight till the end of arc

    • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 5:29 pm #

      That’s the problem with too many crew members and so many badass characters in 1 arc, you have to make sacrifices.

      • kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 5:39 pm #

        i dnt call it as a sacrifice , ODA does this usually

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 5:44 pm #

          Its still a sacrifice we get to see others in place of ~1/2 the crew.

        • kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 5:51 pm #

          yes..especially when they are up against a yonko crew

      • Kai D. Vongola - February 10, 2014 at 6:00 pm #

        Don’t call it a sacrifice!!! Besides what happens in Dressrosa is more important than those on Sunny!!!

        • kakarott - February 13, 2014 at 7:09 pm #

          ur right ..it isnt sacrifice

      • Kai D. Vongola - February 10, 2014 at 6:00 pm #

        Don’t call it a sacrifice!!! Besides what happens in Dressrosa is more important than those on Sunny!!!

      • Kai D. Vongola - February 10, 2014 at 6:00 pm #

        Don’t call it a sacrifice!!! Besides what happens in Dressrosa is more important than those on Sunny!!!

    • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 5:51 pm #

      I’m sure they’ll get their moment, even in this Arc.

      I don’t think it’s a sacrifice. More like, it just takes longer to cover everyone- but I don’t consider this a problem. Rather, I love the fact that Oda has so many relevant characters.

  8. Sakanade - February 9, 2014 at 5:29 pm #

    Luffy needs to grow a mustashe.

    • Gildarts - February 9, 2014 at 5:32 pm #

      He would be ridiculous with a mustashe. Unless he grew a small beard as well

    • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 5:34 pm #

      Nooo. No mustache for Luffy, please.

    • Sakanade - February 9, 2014 at 5:53 pm #

      Havent heard of Akisame from HSDK?? A king without a mustashe is not a king, but a boy.

      • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 5:55 pm #

        Rules are there to be broken. Luffy breaks rules.

      • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 5:56 pm #

        By the way, of course I’ve heard of Akisame. He’s one of my favorite characters in Kenichi.

    • kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 5:55 pm #

      most of the shonen heroes doesnt have a moustache

      • Smoker - February 9, 2014 at 6:11 pm #

        Luffy is not a hero, he’s a Pirate and a (future) King.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 6:23 pm #

          thought it was clear by now

        • kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 6:24 pm #

          well ,from the story point of view he is the protaganist

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 6:30 pm #

          antiheroes are still protagoists

    • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:20 pm #

      he looks ugly in that moustache

  9. Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 5:43 pm #

    @ Toys.

    If you’re not saying that, then Garp’s statement stands. :p

    @ Nidai.

    1. Garp wasn’t talking about which crew would be which crew in a fight. He was talking about the strongest pirates. People are perfectly capable of judging this, regardless of any potential battles between crews. I’m not reading too much into this.

    2. That’s not always the case. We’ve also seen that Shichibukais are recommended to the world government, so sometimes they pursue the position on their own. Moreover, this doesn’t change their requirement. Even in the offer sheet, they’d still have to agree to their requirements- which we know for a fact includes a portion of their loot. Doflamingo’s throwing kicks at an Admiral, but is he guaranteed to beat Fujitora in a one on one fight?

    3. Okay. If you’re aware that it involves strategy, then that pretty much nullifies the point you were making.

    4. So if I don’t agree with your misrepresentation of Garp’s statement, I’m not thinking for myself? That’s a rather convenient thing for you to say. I find it odd that this is coming from you, since you above everyone else are always rejecting logical points simply because they are not explicitly stated. Yet, now that we have an explicit statement, you want people to think for themselves and disregard said statement. Look, I’m all about not accepting things at face value 100% of the time- but when there’s nothing remotely contradicting an explicit statement, it’s just tampering with facts.

    • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 5:52 pm #

      It stood we don’t know if it does now.

      • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 5:54 pm #

        It wouldn’t really make sense for it not to, when you consider the narrative and context. The point of Oda introducing Kaidou as a top 4 pirate was to, well, signify the danger he will eventually pose to the Strawhats. It loses it’s point if his own subordinate has randomly surpassed him in the last 2 years with no hints to such (especially since Law is obviously still under the impression that Kaidou is stronger).

        Will Oda pull a dragon out of his hat? Who knows, but it stands until proven differently.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 6:01 pm #

          It stands? So Whitebeard is still one of the 4 strongest pirates?

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 6:58 pm #

          If Kaidou is dead, I can agree that it does not stand for him. I’m fairly certain he’s alive, though.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:01 pm #

          I only need one portion of the statement for it to not “stand.”(note the present tense)

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:15 pm #

          Not true. My point was that it would make no sense for the statement to change simply based on the additional two years for the reasons I stated.

          As long as Kaidou didn’t die within those two years, he would not be involved in your point.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:19 pm #

          But it is true.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:21 pm #

          Well I just described why it wasn’t, so I’ll need more than just saying “Yes it is”. :p

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:25 pm #

          I don’t need to justify any more that Garp’s statement is no longer equal to what he said 2 years ago, its kind of obvious.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:30 pm #

          It makes no narrative sense, and simply doesn’t fit the context. So I can’t say I’m on the same page as you.

          Besides- I think it’s obvious that Kaidou is stronger than Doflamingo, but apparently that’s not enough for you.

          So why would you believing it’s obvious that Garp’s statement doesn’t stand today be enough for me? >.>

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:37 pm #

          Try saying the same statement now, the whole thing, it means WB is still one of the 4 strongest pirates. I was never arguing DD is stronger than Kaido but we can’t even say that for certain right now, I was arguing it seems unfathomable to you that DD can’t fight a yonko but Luffy/Law will defeat one just because Luffy is the protagonist.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:46 pm #

          Your point on Whitebeard being dead doesn’t impact what I said in any way, though- because Kaidou is not dead as well. To assume that would somehow counter my point means you didn’t really understand my point, and would also assume that we are incapable of excluding dead people while allowing alive people to be included- which isn’t an actual rule.

          As far as Luffy defeating Kaidou goes- sure, what’s wrong with expecting the main protagonist to defeat a main antagonist? Especially since Luffy will likely be stronger than Doflamingo by that point (your point here seems to assume that Luffy will still be weaker than Doflamingo).

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:52 pm #

          So we can change the statement is what you’re saying?

          We know he’s the protagonist we also know he’ll be PK so he’ll surpass everyone but right now can he do that? I would argue no not sure about you though because currently there are people, like DD, who have a higher chance of defeating a yonko but you think that’s impossible. I’m only saying that is an open possibility.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:56 pm #

          Change the statement under what circumstances? If you mean to assume Kaidou is dead, no. There is strong reason to believe that he’s still alive.

          Luffy isn’t fighting Kaidou right now, so what does right now have to do with Luffy and Law vs. Kaidou?

          I would also argue that the combination of Luffy and Law is likely more powerful than Doflamingo by himself.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 8:19 pm #

          Change the statement at all and it becomes a different statement and since so much has changed after the war that whole Garp dialogue is subject to change and thus the previous statement has a possibility of being incorrect at some points.

          DD isn’t fighting Kaido right now either yet its dismissed that DD can surpass or hold his ground against a yonko.

          you can argue that I will wait and see how DD fights as Law wasn’t even able to do much damage to him.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:27 pm #

          I’ve already responded to the idea of it changing to include (insert character) being more powerful than Kaidou that was not already on the list 2 years ago.

          Changing the statement to fit Whitebeard’s death only has to do with Whitebeard. Not with Kaidou. Not with Shanks. Not with Big Mam.

          I never dismissed Doflamingo’s potential to surpass Kaidou one day (just not today). In fact, I openly acknowledged this possibility to you yesterday.

          What I do deny is that, right this second, Doflamingo is on Kaidou’s level or higher.

          Law was unable to do anything to Doflamingo one on one- not two on one.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 8:40 pm #

          Well then we agree that the statement requires a change. Since it requires change you can’t change it the way you want it’d have to be presented in the manga again.

          Well I’d have to see Kaido’s strength and DD’s strength to deny that.

          Sure but DD would also put down the den den mushi when he’s fighting 2 on 1.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:47 pm #

          I never agreed to a change. You imposed it on your own, but I disagree that Whitebeard being dead has anything to do with Kaidou- which is something I still disagree with.

          I’d have to see proof that, for whatever reason, Oda has decided to make Kaidou’s subordinate more powerful than him in the last 2 years without any hints- and, yet, still placing Doflamingo as an earlier antagonist. I’d have to see proof of that to not deny it.

          The Den Den Mushi point doesn’t have much to do with what I said, as adding Luffy to the mix is far more impactful than simply dropping a Den Den Mushi.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm #

          The statement is no longer accurate and requires change is still my argument then.

          I’m not sure which one of Kaido’s subordinates you’re talking about.

          DD was already at a handicap when he fought Law so we haven’t seen him fight without handicaps yet I guess we’ll have to see how he does without a den den mushi in his hands.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:16 pm #

          1. The statement only assumes that the characters are alive. It does not mean one being dead somehow means all of them are dead. Whitebeard’s death has no bearing on Kaidou’s placement- and even less to do with Doflamingo’s.

          2. Doflamingo.

          3. Then what’s so bad about people’s suspicions that Luffy + Law will defeat Kaidou at a later date vs. Doflamingo defeating Kaidou right now?

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 9:33 pm #

          1)The entire dialogue is subject to change not just one part, (Fuji’s intentions being a more recent reference) so I’m not sure why you insist on carrying it on. I’d like to see a similar statement in the manga before it can be considered proof of where the yonko stand in the world now.

          2)Doflamingo is not Kaido’s subordinate.

          3)How did Kaido get here? This is about Law + Luffy vs DD. All I said is I’d like to see more from these characters before I make the judgment.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:59 pm #

          My point was that it doesn’t make sense in the narrative/context for Doflamingo to have changed that rule just because two years have passed. Why would one of Kaidou’s underlings (since you don’t want me to use the term subordinate) randomly surpass him with zero hint? True, if it had been hinted, then you’d have a point- but it wasn’t. Indeed, this is so until proven otherwise. I have yet to see proof on the contrary. If it becomes available, I will happily agree.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 10:08 pm #

          Its not that I don’t want you to use that term, its the wrong term. DD has never taken orders from Kaido.

          The Marines think they themself can hold out all 4 yonko nd DD is the greatest threat to the Marines as said by Aokiji speaks volumes about his capability right now. That’s a nonzero hint.

          I guess I’ll have to wait to see proof on these matters as well.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:12 pm #

          Do they? Interesting, because they forfeited when they were faced with having to fight a second Yonkou- even with the Shichibukai there to back them up. Aokiji’s statement doesn’t hint that he has surpassed Kaidou. One can be more dangerous to the ideals of the marines while being weaker than someone else who also poses a danger to the marines.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 10:21 pm #

          Notice the past tense in forfited. You carry on the statements from the old age Law’s speech on PH tells the whole story of how you can’t keep thinking like that now.

          I didn’t say it was that specific Aokiji’s statement coupled with Fujitora’s intentions certainly does. He’s implying that DD is even more dangerous to the WG than Dragon who many people consider to be on par if not stronger than an individual yonko.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:30 pm #

          1. 2 years does not change the point of a narrative- nor does it change the context.

          2. You mean Law’s statement where he says one can not challenge a Yonkou by themselves?

          3. What does Fujitora wanting the Shichibukai system to disappear have to do with anything?

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 10:37 pm #

          Law’s speech where he slices up the island explains 1 & 2

          3) Fujitora believes the Marines can handle all 4 yonko them selves and if DD is the biggest threat to such Marines then you have the non zero hints you’re looking for.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 11:00 pm #

          1. In what way does Law’s speech and slicing up an island explain 1 and 2?

          2. Fujitora never said that. For all we know, he may not care how they stack up to the Yonkous after the fact. It just means he really wants the Shichibukai dead.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 11:04 pm #

          1)Law’s speech clearly implies 2 years makes a big difference especially when discussing big wigs.

          2) Fujitora wants the shichi gone since you believe Marines + Shichi = 4 yonko now get rid of the shichi Marines + Shichi – Shichi = 4 yonko and voila Marines = 4 yonko.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 11:26 pm #

          1. If I remember correctly, Law was saying he’s gotten much stronger in the last two years. Not that he assumes Doflamingo has gotten much stronger (in fact his whole point disregards that as being likely) and that Kaidou has remained the same.

          2. Okay, but they are not mutually exclusive. Fujitora wanting to kill the Shichibukai does not mean he agrees that the WG on their own will be able to counterbalance the Yonkou. Even if that is what he meant, he could plan to suggest drafting more Admirals from around the world to replace the Shichibukai.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 11:32 pm #

          1) Law was saying the new era has arrived and that the old relics’ time is up. I’m not implying this means DD has gotten much stronger it was to say that Garp’s statement is from the past and that it no longer holds such ground.

          2)Fujitora implies it when DD mentions the balance of power due to the shichi. That “could” is an assumption and even if they do draft more admirals does it not mean Marines = 4 yonko?

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 11:41 pm #

          1. The only thing Law’s statement points to is that he himself has gotten stronger, and that Doflamingo is no longer as high up as he thinks he is. I fail to see how this, at all, impacts Garp’s statement. If he said it to Garp, then you might have a point.

          2. Doflamingo asked him what would happen, to which Fujitora could not answer. Not only does my point stand as a result, but it even implies that Fujitora doesn’t really care- as long as he can get rid of the Shichibukai.

          3. Yes, but it is an assumption that Fujitora thinks the marines alone could counterbalance the Yonkou to begin with. My point is that you do not know the circumstances going through Fujitora’s mind.

          4. Sure. I don’t doubt that the marines could, theoretically, add enough soldiers to counterbalance the Yonkou on their own. For instance, if the conscript about 25 more Admirals- I think that would go a long way.

    • nickname - February 9, 2014 at 6:25 pm #

      Garp never mentioned the word strong or strength in his statement, so your so called fact about the yonkou being the top 4 in terms of individual strength, is not a fact, what Garp said still leaves room for interpretation and definetely more than the ones about WB being the strongest, where a certain someone insisted on it not being a fact as well btw.

      • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 6:57 pm #

        1. He used the word powerful, and said he is one of the four. 4. Yonkou crews have more than 4 pirates in them, so even if we disregarded Garp adding in that Whitebeard/Kaidou/Big Mam making up the other 3, it would be obvious that he’s not referring to the crews.

        2. I said:

        “Look, I’m all about not accepting things at face value 100% of the time- but when there’s nothing remotely contradicting an explicit statement, it’s just tampering with facts.”

        Shanks received deeper reactions from virtually everyone that encountered and/or wanted to fight Whitebeard.

        We’ve also been told that it had been decades since Sengoku had even seen Whitebeard fight.

        Obviously, these both fit well within “remotely contradicting”.

        Whereas, there is remotely nothing contradicting Garp’s statement. Indeed, every hint imaginable of the Yonkous being the most powerful pirates has been thrown out left and right- which is the opposite of contradiction.

      • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:01 pm #

        @ nickname.

        My response is awaiting moderation. So just hang tight. :)

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:12 pm #

          ^Also…

          You brought up my lack of being convinced that Whitebeard was the strongest in his old/sick form…

          But I’d also throw out your acceptance of Admirals as the strongest individuals in the marines, even though Robin says “strongest force”- which refers to them as a group.

          Yet, Garp says strongest pirates (which does not refer to them as a group)- and you’re unconvinced that he was talking about them individually.

      • nickname - February 9, 2014 at 7:11 pm #

        Don’t really have time to stay on much longer….
        I checked several translations tho, on the mangahelpers one Garp’s statement was even limited to the second GL half.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:14 pm #

          Ah, I see. Well, I’ll welcome your response when you get the chance. No rush.

          As for the new world…

          Garp merely describes where the Yonkous rule. I don’t see how this changes his statement.

          Besides, Doflamingo lives in the new world- so he would be included in that statement. >.>

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:58 pm #

          I’m going to try and repost my response from earlier.

          1. He used the word powerful, and said he is one of the four. 4. Yonkou crews have more than 4 pirates in them, so even if we disregarded Garp adding in that Whitebeard/Kaidou/Big Mam making up the other 3, it would be obvious that he’s not referring to the crews.

          2. I said

          Look, I’m all about not accepting things at face value 100% of the time- but when there’s nothing remotely contradicting an explicit statement, it’s just tampering with facts.

          Shanks received deeper reactions from virtually everyone that encountered and/or wanted to fight Whitebeard.

          We’ve also been told that it had been decades since Sengoku had even seen Whitebeard fight.

          Obviously, thse both fit well within remotely contradicting”.

          Whereas, there is remotely nothing contradicting Garp’s statement. Indeed, every hint imaginable of the Yonkous being the most powerful pirates has been thrown out left and right- which is the opposite of contradiction.

        • goldroger - February 9, 2014 at 9:20 pm #

          Why ppl understimating yonkos-_-that’s what 2 years training for.
          leptor u didnt have to argue.
          Every pirates in op world didnt argue who was/is strongest pirates among them bcose it’s obvious. that’s yonkos.if there’s another above their class.that must be Roger but he died now.FACT
          That’s why there’s absolute rule in new world to survive.go under yonko’s wing or go against them by making alliance.even shichibukai or ex shichibukai like DD and jinbe clearly showed that they need to cooperate under yonko’s wing to survive.
          That’s also why oda wants luffy to kick dofla’s ass b4 facing big mom and kaido eventhough luffy messing up with them way earlier than with DD.
          I’m thinking about luffy being an admiral lvel since he’s about to take down his 3rd shichi-zoro the pirate hunter?luffy the shichibukai hunter?

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:30 pm #

          Well yeah. I personally find it obvious that the Yonkous are the strongest pirates individually, but be that as it may- not everyone is convinced.

          I very much enjoy the debating/discussion about it.

        • nickname - February 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm #

          The yonkou stand indeed on the very top in terms of individual strength, as far as I’m concerned but they’re not standing there alone. Some showed that they’re up there as well, others have the potential/possibility to be there, which is something many ppl here dismiss to easily based on not entirely solid reasonings.

      • cipy - February 9, 2014 at 10:11 pm #

        garp sayed; he is now one of the 4 most powerfull pirates…

        http://www.mangareader.net/103-2539-7/one-piece/chapter-432.html

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:19 pm #

          ^

          P.S Admin.

          Fix the comment moderation issue. It’s kind of absurd, with all due respect.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 10:22 pm #

          “powerful” =/= strongest

        • nickname - February 9, 2014 at 10:24 pm #

          And in context with ALL of Garp’s statement this might easily refer to their rule of the NW, which is something they are able to do because of their military might not just their individual strength.
          The term powerful isn’t limited to strength it can also refer to influence for example.

          Just like I said above – a matter of Interpretation.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:31 pm #

          @ Toys.

          Most powerful= strongest. Especially in Shonen.

          However, there’s also the fact that Garp refers to him as an individual- and refers to the Yonkous as individuals as well.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 10:38 pm #

          That’s your interpretation of powerful I don’t see it as meaning strongest.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:56 pm #

          When does it mean anything other than strongest, in Shonen?

          Moreover, and again, you disregarded Garp referring to them individually.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 11:01 pm #

          If he wanted to say strongest he would have as was the case when it was stated with Kaido/WB’s titles. The individuality only truly matters if powerful means strongest.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 11:24 pm #

          To say Garp would have said it in the specific manner you request is an assumption.

          You said powerful is different than strongest- I’m asking for you to prove this (especially when used in that context).

          The individuality described clearly means he was talking about strength. You’re saying he meant powerful on the grounds that he would be including their crews.

          If he’s speaking about them individually, which he was, then it’s just all the more obvious that he meant strength.

          At any rate, the burden of proof is on you here.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 11:28 pm #

          Simple:
          The yonko have the most power in the world for pirates. power =/= strength (ex: DD had the power to fool the world does that mean he’s the strongest in the world?) It doesn’t “obviously” mean strength, you haven’t proven powerful means strength.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 11:35 pm #

          Necessary context was added to explain that Doflamingo had the tools to make that happen.

          We are not discussing such a scenario.

          The context in this scenario refers to them individually. As individuals. You’re implying that what Garp said counts his crews, which would destroy the individuality.

      • hi - February 10, 2014 at 4:08 pm #

        youre a one piece freak who spends too much time commenting on this website

      • hi - February 10, 2014 at 4:08 pm #

        youre a one piece freak who spends too much time commenting on this website

      • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:21 pm #

        i think he mentioned strength of the single person rather than his crew

  10. fame - February 9, 2014 at 5:50 pm #

    all agreeing the chances of Rayleigh getting his scar from the same person who gave one to Zoro are above 97%?

    • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 5:52 pm #

      If that’s Mihawk, then sure (well as a decent possibility anyways).

      If it’s not, that would be a pretty interesting way to introduce whoever it is that did that.

      So either way…

    • kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 5:53 pm #

      i dont see the chances of both of them being one at all

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 6:20 pm #

        really cant take you seriously

        • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:21 pm #

          neither me too

    • Sakanade - February 9, 2014 at 5:55 pm #

      Mihawk and eyes…

  11. fame - February 9, 2014 at 5:57 pm #

    I’d like the new shichi and admirals to be women. OP is lacking the opposite sex in the power department.

    • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 6:00 pm #

      I would like to see a female Admiral but its too late for the new shichi to be female:
      http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/700/16

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 6:16 pm #

        mangastream translation read ‘person’, not man. it could be either.

    • kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 6:03 pm #

      big mom is a woman and one of the four strongest pirates in the world ..ODA doesnt show much discrimination in gender

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 6:18 pm #

        cant take this seriously, he clearly does.

        • kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 6:34 pm #

          do u want a woman to be pirate king too?

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 6:47 pm #

          are you as sexist as Oda seemingly is, too?

        • kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 6:58 pm #

          everyone has their own place

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:04 pm #

          ‘everyone’. not females, and not males. there’s nothing wrong with a female Pirate King or having more than 2 prominent female powers in a story.

        • Caliginoso - February 9, 2014 at 7:08 pm #

          One question: Would a lesbian be all right with you?

          Kakar

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:15 pm #

          We read a manga were transsexuals, homosexuals and cross dressers are prominent characters yet you’re asking that?

        • Caliginoso - February 9, 2014 at 7:24 pm #

          Fuck you read?

    • Slim Shady - February 9, 2014 at 6:35 pm #

      Don t worry dude.
      There will be a strong, boobie woman in one piece.

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:18 pm #

        Gender balance and equality in Bleach and Fairytale is great but in OP the concept doesn’t even seem to exist.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:25 pm #

          Why do you say that, just out of curiosity?

          It’s always seemed pretty great to me compared to most series, including Bleach/Fairy Tail (though I don’t think Bleach is bad with it).

          Not only are there very strong women in One Piece, but their dreams are treated seriously for the most part.

          I’d also throw in the lack of female characters drooling over any hot male character. Nami is unique for a main female in that she does not appear to have any interest in any of the males. In fact, it could potentially even be argued that she’s bisexual or lesbian.

        • Temperance - February 9, 2014 at 7:33 pm #

          It’s quiet obvious she has a thing for female navy officers.

        • Temperance - February 9, 2014 at 7:38 pm #

          *quite

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:48 pm #

          ^Not to mention her calling Kalifa sexy and saying she’d hit on her every day if she was her secretary.

          Of course, I’m not sure Oda meant it that way entirely- but yeah.

          I really respect Nami’s character. It’s so fresh to have a main female that doesn’t rest in the arms of any main male character.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:56 pm #

          Female presence in OP is always typical damsel in distress. There are strong women in OP, all are shadowed and greatly outnumbered by even stronger men.

          The only prominent female characters who can be considered strong by male standards in the story and by fans are Hancock and Big Mum.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:06 pm #

          I can’t think of many damsel in distress moments in One Piece, to be honest. Especially since the term usually refers to a male hero saving who will eventually become his lover.

          However, even disregarding the usual definition- the only time I can really think of is Fishman Island. You could mildly count Dressrosa I guess, but they’re mainly there to pull the rug out from under Kaidou.

          We’ve also had a male in distress- Ace.

          I’d also throw out:

          -Shirahoshi being a significant person in OPverse.

          -Shakky having been a really powerful pirate in the past, apparently.

          -The multiple strong female Captains in Whitebeard’s alliance.

          Plus, Bleach and Fairy Tail has done the damsel in distress cliche multiple times:

          Bleach- Rukia in the Soul Society Arc + Orihime in the Arrancar Arc.

          Fairy Tail- Saving Lucy in the Phantom Lord Arc + Natsu going to save Erza, Mirajane, and Lisanna in the Tartarus Arc.

          I’m not in any way trying to insult those series, though. Obviously, I’m a huge fan of both- and, as I said before, I think Bleach does a fairly good job overall at treating women well.

          I suppose I just respectfully disagree that One Piece does all this.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

          Damsel in distress moments in OP: Nami. Vivi. Connis. Robin. Hancock. Shirahishi. Rebecca. Violet. – Every Saga/Arc, basically.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm #

          1. Nami wasn’t really a damsel in distress. It was the island that needed saving. Nami had the opportunity to leave the island as it was and escape if she chose to. Plus, the features typical of a damsel in distress were not entirely with her. She wasn’t powerless. In fact, she did everything right as per the terms of her deal with Arlong. He used an outside force to take away her earnings.

          2. Again, Alabasta was in distress- not Vivi in particular. In fact, he never really saved her specifically.

          3. Connis even less so than the above two.

          4. I did forget about Robin, though she wasn’t going to become Luffy’s lover. Still, I’ll count her.

          5. Hancock? I don’t remember her ever being in distress. <.<

          6. I already responded to Shirahoshi/Dressrosa.

          So- Robin, Shirahoshi, and mildly Dressrosa. 3 out of a million Arcs- with a male in distress (Ace).

          That's not too shabby. :p

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:17 pm #

          Sorry, but with you saying Nami wasn’t a damsel in distress, I’m done on this subject.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:03 pm #

          That’s a cop out. However, you are more than welcome to discontinue your participation in the debate.

          At any rate, a damsel in distress is almost always used to refer to a completely powerless female that goes on to become the lover of the hero that saved him.

          I believe you have referred to Luffy as not being a hero, and we know Nami was not powerless (in fact she accomplished a lot on her own- and actually forced Arlong to cheat just to avoid their agreement). We know that Luffy/Nami aren’t going to be getting married any time soon.

          So other than Nami being a female and having help (though she was not powerless), what about her makes her a damsel in distress? By this logic, almost every female in every work of fiction and in real life is a damsel in distress.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:05 pm #

          A damsel in distress is almost always used to refer to a completely powerless female that goes on to become the lover of the hero that saved him.

          I believe you have referred to Luffy as not being a hero, and we know Nami was not powerless (in fact she accomplished a lot on her own- and actually forced Arlong to cheat just to avoid their agreement). We know that Luffy/Nami aren’t going to be getting married any time soon.

          So other than Nami being a female and having help (though she was not powerless), what about her makes her a damsel in distress? By this logic, almost every female in every work of fiction and in real life is a damsel in distress.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:05 pm #

          That’s a cop out, but my actual response is awaiting moderation.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:06 pm #

          My post (now posts lol) are awaiting moderation.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:10 pm #

          A damsel in distress is almost always used to refer to a completely powerless female that goes on to become the lover of the hero that saved him. I believe you have referred to Luffy as not being a hero, and we know Nami was not powerless (in fact she accomplished a lot on her own- and actually forced Arlong to cheat just to avoid their agreement). We know that Luffy/Nami aren’t going to be getting married any time soon. So other than Nami being a female and having help (though she was not powerless), what about her makes her a damsel in distress? By this logic, almost every female in every work of fiction and in real life is a damsel in distress.

        • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:23 pm #

          in fairy tail woman are mostly for fan service

  12. kakarott - February 9, 2014 at 5:58 pm #

    can we expect the law’s past with DD in next 10 chapters?

    • GomoGomoNo - February 9, 2014 at 7:05 pm #

      Probably not, I expect to get it near the end as Luffy is fighting Doflamingo. He usually gets some story motivation mid match. We’ll see Luffy vs DD start in the next 10 chapters, but as usual the rest of the fights will happen before the main story comes back and concludes with Luffy vs the Boss.

      • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:24 pm #

        then dressrosa arc gonna be another 30 chapters at the least

  13. Ganja - February 9, 2014 at 6:37 pm #

    keep playing the last anime episode over and over sanji is too much

    • GomoGomoNo - February 9, 2014 at 7:11 pm #

      Yeah, that episode had me rolling in laughter. The anime is going slow as hell though. That was less than a full chapter again, I really wanted to see Luffy 1-hand body slam that big chump.

    • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:24 pm #

      he had the time of his life

  14. Slim Shady - February 9, 2014 at 6:41 pm #

    http://postimg.org/image/nrihzrbdz/

    Jezus Burgress has got CoA.

    • GomoGomoNo - February 9, 2014 at 7:12 pm #

      Was someone denying this?

    • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:25 pm #

      yeah , he displayed his COA when he fought against sabo

  15. fame - February 9, 2014 at 6:46 pm #

    Yonko aren’t recognised as individuals but as emperors, it’s the literal translation ffs. Why till this day people are trying to compare army leaders to individuals I’ll never know.

    Of course Garp said the emperors are the strongest pirates. When you take into account the fact that they are supported by fleets of pirates and alliances – the very reason why they are called emperors in the first place, it makes sense.

    Still that has NOTHING to do with individual strength.

    When Pirates become Shichi they are assessed on individual strength and renown, the benefits of holding that title are then shared with their underlings. The only exception to ever exist to this is BUGGY for obvious reasons.

    When a fairytale tells of a Kingdom powerful beyond measure does that translate to the King of that kingdom being the strongest person in the tale? Yes, but only in the context of being a King, never in the context of individual strength.

    Context people, context. Understand the concept to the meaning of the word context.

    • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:07 pm #

      Your kingdom analogy only works if Garp had said the Red Hair Pirates are one of the four strongest groups in the world.

      Saying the strongest kingdom automatically means the entire force within that kingdom.

      Luffy asked how Shanks is doing, and Garp explicitly states that Red Head (not Red Hair Pirates) is one of the four (Shanks is 1, with Whitebeard is 2, with Kaidou is 3, and with Big Mam is 4) strongest pirates in the world.

      This would be a lot more like saying the top 4 greatest NBA basketball players of all time. When someone mentions Michael Jordan, I can assure you they are not speaking of the entire Chicago Bulls organization. They are speaking of Michael Jordan as a player.

    • Chester - February 9, 2014 at 7:09 pm #

      That is your interpretation of Garp’s words, he never spoke about crews. Shanks has faced Whitebeard one on one, who was said to be the strongest man in the world, and not with his crew, but all alone in the enemy ship with all of WB’s commanders there. I know that we don’t know if that was a serious fight, and how it ended, but you don’t know exactly if Oda was talking about crews or just the person, doesn’t mind if it’s called Emperor. An Admiral is a title given to someone with lots of marines under his control, but that still means that they’re one of the 3 most powerful men in the Marine HQ as individuals.

      Also, up until now, I don’t remember seeing Shanks having a fleet like Whitebeard did, they have no divisions or commanders metioned, so you can’t say Akagami has a lot of men or a big fleet under his control, at least it hasn’t been proven…

      • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:11 pm #

        ^Not to mention, the argument that Yonkous aren’t the four strongest pirates are largely coming from people who have openly acknowledged the Admirals as the strongest individuals in the world government just because Robin said “strongest force”. Unlike with Garp’s statement, she actually refers to them as a group- yet, these same people accept the Admirals as the strongest individuals based off of that description.

        Yet, when Garp says strongest four pirates- nope, he must be referring to the entire group.

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:22 pm #

        Its not interpretation, its fact. Not to mention that clash happened LONG before WBs title as strongest man in the world was revealed.

        The logic addressed here is the most flawed. If Shanks didnt have the title of yonko yet still met and clashed WB you would say WB is stronger simly because he has that yonko title?

        Mihawk and Shanks clashed many times over so why don’t you apply your logic to that?

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:27 pm #

          If Shanks wasn’t a Yonkou, he wouldn’t be nearly as strong as he is right now.

          As for Shanks vs. Mihawk- they were said to be rivals over a decade ago.

        • Chester - February 9, 2014 at 7:39 pm #

          Maybe Mihawk would be a Yonkou if he cared about it and if he weren’t in the Shichibukai, but that’s not the point. The point is that Garp stated that Shanks is one of the 4 most powerful pirates in the New world, and they’re called the Yonkou.

          And how is it relevant if that clash happened before Whitebeard was said to be the strongest man in the world? The duels between Mihawk and Shanks happened over a decade ago, and yet you are still saying that Mihawk has to be stronger than Shanks because Zeff stated that he was the strongest swordsman in the world when he was in the Grand Line 12 years ago. You are the one who’s not applying the same logic in your own statements.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:40 pm #

          Sorry, thats the most ignorant logic I’ve read. Also, according to Deep Blue – Shanks and Mihawk are STILL classed rivals in the present day.

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 7:43 pm #

          @Chester. It’s not just zeff’s statement, veryone knows who the strongest swordsman is including the government. Assuming shanks is a swordsman, what do u think this points to?

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 7:47 pm #

          correction shanks is a swordsman.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:49 pm #

          Chester, I’ve typed clear enough to convey the reason for Mihawk being stronger thank Shanks without you adding your own words to it.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:52 pm #

          @ fame.

          It says his relationship with Mihawk is that of a rival. It does not say that they still clash evenly.

          The last time they were noted as clashing evenly was 12 years ago.

          Being rivals alone is not enough to assume they clash evenly, because there are many cases in fiction (and even One Piece) where “rival” does not mean “equal”.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:58 pm #

          I never said they still clash. YOU said they were rivals over a decade ago, I corrected you – they are still rivals today.

        • Chester - February 9, 2014 at 8:02 pm #

          Being disrespectful again, Fame. Ignorant logic? Sorry but that was your logic, I’m not going on with the discussion because it’s clear that aside from your intelligence, which I don’t doubt, you are the kind of person who is so full of himself that can’t even think about the possibility of not being 100% right in every word he says, that being proved when you call your own interpetations facts.

          Have a good day.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:08 pm #

          @ fame.

          Okay, but I was talking about clashing evenly. I realize why you didn’t catch on to that- my fault for not specifying.

          However, that is what I was referring to at any rate.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:56 pm #

          Chester, less talk about me and more about the subject. Don’t steam up just because you had no relevance.

    • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:26 pm #

      i think it refers to 4 strongest pirates rather than whole crew

  16. fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:01 pm #

    Why should Shanks being an emperor mean he is stronger than Doflamingo, Kuma, Dragon, Akainu or any other top tier power in the manga??

    Roger was the Pirate King, yet Whitebeard was his equal. Roger and Garp nearly killed each other time and time again. Whitebeard became the STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD and STRONGEST YONKO yet Akainu still grounded him.

    The title of Emperor has no correlation to someone’s individual strength, hence why Whitebeard had 2 separate titles.

    And before some brings up about my statement of Mihawk being the strongest, that was a statement made from understanding the fact that Mihawk and is the only character left in the world holding world-class title that refers to individual strength.

    Kaido has the STRONGEST CREATURE title but CREATURES can be swordsman, too thus Mihawk’s title breaks through the race barrier just as Whitebeard’s did, Kaido’s title however is limited to CREATURE.

    • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:05 pm #

      To say it has no correlation is an exaggeration, to be able to lead such a powerful fleet the Emperor has to be individually strong to be captain those under them.

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:09 pm #

        Spandam lead the Buster Call and CP9, Buggy leads level 5-6 prisoners, you can’t even try to generalise that logic. The word exaggeration is also far out of context.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:14 pm #

          Buggy is a unique case whereas Spandam practically inherited his spot and he didn’t lead the Buster Call. I’m not generalizing I’m only applying it to the yonko who control pirates, people who like things their own way.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:27 pm #

          Then its biased logic. Armies and assets cannot be used to compare individual strength between characters, they can be used to compare strength between armies and other assets.

          If people want to say a Yonko’s army is stronger than any Shichibukai’s thats fine, but they claim Shanks himself is generally stronger than any Shichibukai.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:30 pm #

          I’m not comparing individual strength I’m arguing in the case of the yonko their is a correlation between individual strength and their title. I agree with everything else.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:36 pm #

          Doflamingo, my point was simply that both Spandam and Buggy could have been leaders of armies with strength that rivals a yonko’s or be yonko themselves despite not being individually strong.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:39 pm #

          You yourself made a special case for Buggy and it is the same reason why he is the leader as for Spandam I explained how his case is different from the yonko.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:41 pm #

          The special case for Buggy is that WE the readers know he is weak, however the characters in the MANGA do not. Not sure what else you were thinking.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 7:54 pm #

          Yes that is why Buggy is the leader of those prisoners but the yonko rule pirates who are capable of fighting Admirals, their can’t be a Buggy case for the yonko as individual strength is required in 100% of the cases.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:09 pm #

          Thats another generalisation. Just because the WB pirates could fight admirals doesn’t mean the other younko crews can. The WBs pirates were the strongest group in the world, stronger than the other 3 groups.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 8:20 pm #

          The yonko have been suggested as being near equal strength and if you are arguing its not individual strength that gets them that title its clear that their crews must also be on equal footing.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:27 pm #

          Yonko haven’t been suggested to be anything other than the strongest pirate-groups in the manga. Everything else about them is fan fiction and assumption.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:30 pm #

          In fact yonko havent even been suggested to be the strongest individuals in the manga. So I don’t know where these people get their logic.

          We just met a king who’s punch is said to be capable of knocking out a yonko, so individually these yonko are as vulnerable as any other character.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 8:31 pm #

          …I just said they are considered to be the strongest pirate groups and suggested to be equally strong thus each respective crew has the strength to fight on par with Admirals.

        • goldroger - February 9, 2014 at 11:10 pm #

          fame u ridiculous clown u use buggy and spandam to support yr illusion.
          buggy didnt lead any 5-6.the only escaper of lv 6 are jinbe and crocodile in ships(lead by luffy)(the other escapers was released by BB-this prove yr illusion)
          and lv 5 prisoners?who was it?iva?
          all buggy do just lead lv 2-1 prisoners bcose he was there.lv 3 was bon clay and mr 1.
          and spandam didnt fight he just a director unlike yonko.if u kick spandam ass it’s mean nothing if lucchi still stand stall(marine make an official report that cp9 is down after lucchi lose) but if u kick shanks(captain/yonko) u win the fight.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 11:13 pm #

          only you can call someone a clown and proceed to make a total retard out of yourself, Roger

        • Titus - February 9, 2014 at 11:13 pm #

          Pretty sure Buggy adopted some level 5 prisoners into his crew..

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 11:16 pm #

          replying to him is like taking an arrow in the knee. the guy goes full retard without prompt

        • Temperance - February 9, 2014 at 11:17 pm #

          I believe even whitebeard acknowledged their strengths

        • goldroger - February 10, 2014 at 12:12 am #

          titus u can’t say ‘pretty sure’
          that’s idiot statement..
          bring fact here.

    • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:09 pm #

      Whitebeard decisively defeated Akainu. It was also an old/sick version of “the strongest man in the world”. If Whitebeard could toss him around that much in his old/sick form, then I wonder if Akainu could have even landed a single blow on prime Whitebeard.

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:12 pm #

        Whitebeard didn’t fall sick during the war, ok. He still held the title of the Strongest out of the yonko and the strongest man in the world.

        In the end he was bested by Akainu. WB didn’t defeat Akainu either, he buried him under the Earth and Akainu came back to land the decisive blow.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:19 pm #

          Akainu didn’t come back to land the decisive blow after falling through the hole.

          The Blackbeard Pirates as a whole landed the decisive blow.

          For most of the fight, Whitebeard was winning- with Akainu getting a couple good hits in (at least one due to Whitebeard coughing up blood- unless I’m misremembering). Then, when Ace died, Whitebeard started going all out and pretty much tossed Akainu around. Akainu still managed to get in a good hit or two, but it was clear who was superior. This is also with Whitebeard having fought many others during the course of the war.

          We already know being old/sick reduces one’s power- as we saw with Rayleigh, unless they are constantly training and fighting (which doesn’t appear to have been the case with Whitebeard).

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:46 pm #

          I can’t begin to tell you how lobotomising and impaling an opponent by melting the side their head and shoving your magma fist through their chest is landing a decisive blow.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:53 pm #

          It would be, had Whitebeard not gone on to fight more.

          Indeed, Whitebeard finished their fight and actually won. Then, he went on to fight more after that.

          The Blackbeard Pirates dealt the decisive blow, as they are the ones who stopped him and killed him.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:04 pm #

          The logic just flawed on you though, you claim WB wasn’t bested by Akainu as he went on to fight longer. So how can WB have defeated Akainu when he too went on to fight even longer?

          WB never defeated Akainu. He buried him under the earth using his ability, Akainu came back and proceeded to own. One could even say WB did it to buy time.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:09 pm #

          I never said Whitebeard dealt the death blow to Akainu. I just said he defeated him- which means their fight was over, with Whitebeard getting the better of him as far as they are concerned.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:19 pm #

          You said quote “Whitebeard decisively defeated Akainu” – the exact same same daeling a decisive blow, the exact, same as defeated him, meaning the fight was over.

          Again, how was the fight over When Akainu was still alive and making his way back? By that logic Monnet decisively defeated Luffy at Punk Hazard.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:25 pm #

          Okay, and Akainu never decisively did anything to Whitebeard. He did not deal him the death blow, nor did any blow he dealt defeat Whitebeard. Whitebeard dealt the decisive blow in his match with Akainu, because that was the end of their match. We never saw them fight again after that.

          I’m not saying Akainu didn’t come back and fight people much weaker than Whitebeard after the latter had already been killed by someone else.

          Even if I agreed with your technicality, it would still be clear that Whitebeard was the superior of the two.

          So, really, I don’t see your point.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:34 pm #

          So just because WB and Akainu never continued their fight you want to claim one of them was a victor? Now you see where the logic flaws.

          The point from the very beginning was that titles like yonko and shichi don’t mean anything. The only titles that matter are the ones that class you above everyone without limiting you to a category.

          Titles like ‘WORLD’S MOST POWERFUL SWORDSMAN’ and ‘WORLD’S STRONGEST MAN’

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:40 pm #

          Actually no, I don’t see how that logic is flawed. Whitebeard bested him, got the last blow- Akainu is forced down a hole. He takes a break. Then he comes back to fight people much weaker than Whitebeard.

          I don’t see how that’s not a victory.

          As for titles not meaning anything- I disagree. Why would Oda introduce titles only for them to mean nothing? He doesn’t even always introduce minor characters without them having some type of meaning at some point.

          Regardless of titles…

          What I do know is that Garp told us that Shanks, Whitebeard (well when he was alive), Kaidou, and Big Mam are the strongest pirates in the world right now.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:46 pm #

          And Brandnew told us The powers of the World Government, Shichibukai and Yonko are individually in perfect balance with one another. What’s you point this time?

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:51 pm #

          What do you mean?

          Brannew only says that the Shichibukais are one of the three great powers. That doesn’t mean that the Shichibukai great power is as powerful as the Yonkou great power.

          We’ve been told that it takes the combination of the WG and Shichibukais (two great powers combined) to somewhat offset the Yonkous (one great power).

          In fact, just half the Yonkous were enough to force the WG/Shichibukais combined to surrender.

          Also, he does not refer to them as individuals- he refers to each of them as a force.

          Garp literally says Shanks is one (individual) of the four strongest pirates.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:58 pm #

          Um no we’ve been told the Shichibukai group is considered in the same renown as the Yonko and WG.

          Not to mention Garp himself said the the Shichi, WG and Yonko are what make up the 3 great powers that balance the very same sentence he talked about the yonko being the strongest pirate. Yet for whatever reason people just love to cut the quote off.

          You stating the WG + Shici = Yonko is just plain false. Its Shichi = WG = Yonko. This has been said repeatedly in the manga.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:09 pm #

          1. Being one of the great powers does not automatically make you equal to the other two great powers.

          Garp says: If the balance between these “Three Great Forces” is disrupted, it’ll bring chaos to this world.

          He does not say all of the powers are even.

          Garp also states: The marine headquarters and Shichibukai exist to in order to counterbalance these four!!

          It takes both to counterbalance the four, in his eyes.

          Even then, though, we already saw that just two Yonkous were enough to force them to surrender. Do you deny this?

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm #

          The manga couldn’t have been clear, you’re making objective information subjective. Stop interpreting things to favour your uncertainties, they are each balanced – it’s been said several times.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:18 pm #

          Balanced does not indicate that they each represent equal power- as the world government considers the Shichibukai as part of their own forces.

          Hence, they could still be balanced while not each representing an exact level of power.

          Considering it could clearly be argued that just half the Yonkous alone are more powerful than the entire WG + Shichibukai combined only adds to my doubt of your personal interpretation of what was said/meant.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:23 pm #

          I’d like to remind you the definition of balance in appropriate context, Leptor.

          Balance: Noun > a situation in which different elements are equal or in the correct proportions.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:28 pm #

          Right, but the world government counts the Shichibukai as their force.

          Garp also said they exist (knowing they fight together) to counterbalance the Yonkous.

          Ergo, they combined, are balanced with the Yonkous.

          Although, like I said, I’d even call that to question- simply because (and I’ll ask again): Do you deny that the WG/Shichibukai surrendered to two Yonkous combined?

          Considering they all but crapped themselves at the idea of fighting a second Yonkou crew, can you imagine how they would have reacted to a third? Let alone a fourth?

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:37 pm #

          No they don’t. The Shichi are not allied with the Marines, but with the Gurosei. Garp did say counterbalance, but that was when WB was among the yonko. New quotes regarding the balance says the 3 powers are equal to each other.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:08 pm #

          Not true.

          First of all, I said world government. Secondly, they are allies. The marines is the military of the world government.

          Like I said, Brannew did not say what you claim he did. He only said that the Shichibukais are one of the three great powers.

          That does not mean the Shichibukais = Yonkous.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm #

          Not true. First of all, I said world government. Secondly, they are allies. The marines is the military of the world government. Like I said, Brannew did not say what you claim he did. He only said that the Shichibukais are one of the three great powers. That does not mean the Shichibukais = Yonkous.

        • goldroger - February 9, 2014 at 11:37 pm #

          luffy is shichibukai hunter.FACT

          and it’s not make him superior than any yonko-_-

          been said there’s a large diffence of power among shicbukai,that’s bulshit,each of one could kill another.
          law being beaten to pulp by DD?luffy get his ass wiped out too in his first fight with crocodile and moria.law get his ass kicked by vergo.but he can overcome him eventually in no time.other prove,WG sent DD to kill moria,they reinforce DD with pacifistas still he fail eventually.

          the problem here is the kids been swallowed bythe idea of half part grand line saga-which make shichibukai as the ruler of that sea along marine officer in past 13 years one piece exist.every pirates on there afraid of them.

          but from now on,THIS IS NEW WORLD.there’s only 4 rulers here and there’s only 2 ways to survive living as pirates here.yonko dont give a shit whether u admiral or shichibukai if them on NW and didnt follow rule,they’ll kick them out.(i bet aokiji on NW and goes under BB’s wing)

          get used with it or else go back in other half grand line

      • nickname - February 9, 2014 at 7:13 pm #

        *facepalm*

        That’s enough MS ignorance for one day, I’m out.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:20 pm #

          Feel free to present a counter argument to whatever it is you disagree with.

        • nickname - February 9, 2014 at 7:26 pm #

          I will, once I have enough time and more than a phone to post comments.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:28 pm #

          Ah, alright. I look forward to seeing your points.

    • Sakanade - February 9, 2014 at 7:14 pm #

      Perhaps greatest swordsman means most skilled in the sword. Techniques and style etc. Shanks doesn’t have DF and uses sword, but i doubt his ability to slash mountains, he is perhaps a close combatant.

      To speak frankly, some warlords might rival some yonku, namely Mihawk and Doflamingo. Perhaps they don’t, but there is good reason to suspect.

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:31 pm #

        It isn’t just greatest swordsman, its also ‘world’s most powerful swordsman’. I’m sure Shanks is strong, but he doesn’t carry a title that breaks barriers like Mihawk and Whitebeard’s do/did.

      • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 7:37 pm #

        It meeans he is the strongest out of all swordsmen in the world. If you consider shanks to be a swordsman or not (that’s just your opinion), Mihawk being the strongest swordsman is a fact from the manga.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 7:43 pm #

          Are you seriously telling me Shanks being a swordsman is opinionated? Read the data books.

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 7:46 pm #

          i haven’t read the data books so my bad. Then it isn’t that hard knowing who is strongest between the two.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 7:54 pm #

          Mihawk is the more skilled swordsman now that Shanks only has one arm.

          However, that doesn’t mean he’s more powerful than Shanks as a whole. There’s more to Shanks than being a swordsman.

        • Sakanade - February 9, 2014 at 8:04 pm #

          Leptor, how do you know there is more to Shanks than being a swordsman? And fame, you said what i said but twisted.

          Absurd discussion, I’m also out.

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 8:05 pm #

          That same argument can be made in favor of Mihawk as he also hasn’t shown his full strength.However, Oda said shanks losing one arm didn’t make him weaker so your first statement doesn;t stand. Its said Mihawk is the greatest swordsman, in other translations Strongest swordsman i don’t see where ”skilled swordsman” is coming from or as some others will say ”more skilled with a sword” which i don’t get.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:12 pm #

          @ Sakanade.

          We’ve already seen how crazy strong his Haki is.

          @ D. Luffy.

          In many books, a Bisento is referred to and described as a type of sword.

          So, by this logic, Whitebeard is weaker than Whitebeard just because he uses a Bisento.

          I’ve always felt it was rather obvious that Oda means to say Mihawk is the best swordsman, but not that he is literally the strongest character to pick up a sword.

          In other words, if it came down to just swordsmanship- he’d beat anyone in the series. However, that’s not to actually say he’s the strongest person to pick up a sword.

          This would also mean that anyone who simply picks up a sword that is already stronger than Mihawk would automatically become the strongest swordsman.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:13 pm #

          *So, by this logic, Whitebeard is weaker than Mihawk

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:14 pm #

          Leptor, did Oda tell you when Mihawk became the most powerful swordsman in the world? Saying he is better simply because Shanks lost an arm suggests that Mihawk only gained the title after Shanks lost his arm.

          there being more to Shanks than being a swordsman is not only your assumption, but its you being hopeful. As far as evidence goes, Mihawk is indeed stronger and more renowned than Shanks in both skill and world-title.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:17 pm #

          I wasn’t attempting to imply that Mihawk is only the better swordsman now that Shanks only has one arm.

          Rather, I’m not convinced Mihawk was the better swordsman when Shanks had two arms. Obviously, if it comes out that Mihawk was already the best swordsman at that point, I will happily accept that as fact.

          Are you implying that I just made up Shanks having absurd Haki that split the sky?

          As far as Mihawk > Shanks, I agree in terms of swordsmanship right now (and 2 years ago). That’s it, though.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:24 pm #

          But you said he is only better because Shanks lost an arm did you not? Thats implying he wouldn’t be better if Shanks hadn’t lost an arm.

          The one thing that reinforces Hawk Eye being better than Shanks is his title so you’re saying Mihawk wouldn’t have the title if Shanks hadn’t lost an arm, which is an ambitious assumption with no evidence to back up.

          Mihawk being a more powerful swordsman that shanks clearly says he us more powerful than Shanks. Why is that so hard to accept?

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 8:29 pm #

          Leptor,WB never used the bisento as his main weapon, he always used his devil fruit. Why do think against Akainu he didn’t use his bisento to fight but his devil fruit. So u cannot classify WB as a swordsman in no ways.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:32 pm #

          Like I said, you misinterpreted what I said. I wasn’t saying Mihawk is only a better swordsman because Shanks lost an arm. I simply said that I am not convinced Mihawk was a better swordsman when Shanks did have both arms. That does not mean he wasn’t for a fact. It’s entirely possible that he was. We can’t factually say one way or the other.

          Mihawk’s title only tells me that he is currently the most skilled swordsman. It doesn’t mean that everyone who picks up a sword is weaker than him.

          As I said, many books in the field refer to and/or describe a Bisento as a sword.

          So, by this logic, Mihawk is stronger than Whitebeard- which means their two titles contradict each other.

          This is why I doubt Oda was simply going for “Mihawk is stronger than anyone to pick up a sword”. Rather, he’s just going for most skilled swordsman.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:35 pm #

          ^That was @ fame.

          @ D. Luffy.

          So why can we count Devil Fruits as being an excluding factor for counting a character as a swordsman, but then exclude Shanks for any skills he excels in outside of swordsmanship?

          That’s selective logic.

          Either everyone who picks up a sword is included, or we can exclude those who also strongly excel in other aspects.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:38 pm #

          Leptor, you not being convinced is irrelevant. Mihawk is ‘definitively’ stronger than Shanks even if you do not think so.

          Mihawk title is ‘WORLD’S MOST POWERFUL SWORDSMAN’, i.e. he is more powerful than Shanks, the swordsman.

          You can assume Shanks is more than a swordsman, but he is listed as a swordsman, his main weapon is a sword, every time he has been seen clashing with someone he has used a sword.

          What more do you and others want?

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:44 pm #

          Then you must also acknowledge Mihawk as being more powerful than Whitebeard- even though you have already made it abundantly clear that you see latter as being the most powerful person in the world.

          Shanks using just a sword these days is your assumption. Such a thing was never stated. He may also be a swordsman, but that doesn’t mean that’s all he does.

          We’ve seen that he has a ridiculous level of Haki.

          Sorry, but I’ll take Garp’s statement that Shanks > Mihawk over Mihawk being the most skilled swordsman being interpreted as being > anyone who picks up a sword.

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 8:50 pm #

          @Leptor, cos all those who are swordsmen with devil fruit uses their abilities in comnbination with their sword ALL THE TIME in fights, for example, Ohm and Law, Thus without the sword, their abilities and strength will decrease by a whole lot.If u discard WB bisento, it doesn’t decrease his devil fruit powers in the slightest.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:50 pm #

          Whitebeard uses a bisento which is a long-sword, but he is not categorically listed as a swordsman in neither the manga or data books like Shanks and Mihawk.

          Mihawk already tried to test himself against WB, the diamond man Jozu intervened, had he not done so WB may have died then and there. The fans will never know.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 8:55 pm #

          @ D. Luffy.

          Who’s to say Shanks doesn’t use his godly Haki along with his sword, and potentially any other ability?

          @ fame.

          Why does it only count if Whitebeard is listed as a swordsman somewhere? Regardless of that being in his description, it is a weapon he uses often. So, he is therefore automatically included in this discussion if we are to assume Mihawk is stronger than anyone who picks up any type of sword.

          Then, there’s Garp’s statement, which I find to be more conclusive than the above logic for reasons I’ve already stated.

          Mihawk is the most skilled swordsman. I’ll give him that credit any day of the week.

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm #

          Leptor, its not anyone who picks up a sword but anyone who is a swordsman. If shanks should possess a devil fruit , he will undoubtedly use it in combination with his sword. Also what makes u think shanks is the only one who uses haki, mihawk also knows haki otherwise how would zoro have learnt it.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:05 pm #

          It matters because the Bisento is not was never dispalyed as WBs main form off fighting. Even if you want to take that argument, WB still held the title of World’s strongest man’ which effectively recognises him stronger than Mihawk regardless of fighting style.

          You cannot try to generalise the argument of Miahwks vs shanks to WB because WB isn’t in the same fighting category. Now that Whitebeard is dead, the only person in his tier of world-class title is Mihawk.

        • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 9:21 pm #

          @Fame IMO Dragon holds a world title as Most Dangerous I cant imagine Luffy’s father being anything less than World class

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:24 pm #

          @ D. Luffy.

          I’m not doubting that Mihawk knows Haki. In fact, I’m very certain he does.

          I was referring to the absurd level of Haki that Shanks possesses. Mihawk has never been shown to cause a sky to split just by clashing with another person, so obviously his Haki is not on Shanks’ level.

          Shanks being a swordsman does not mean that is more than half of what he uses in combat. Ergo, Mihawk’s title does not instantly make him more powerful than Shanks. It just makes him a more skilled swordsman.

          Considering Whitebeard uses his Bisento quite often, he would not count any less than Shanks does here. Especially now that Shanks is missing an arm, and therefore very likely uses his skill in swordsmanship less than he use to.

          @ fame.

          The fact that he uses it at all is enough- however, he does use it quite often.

          Right- Whitebeard’s title takes priority over Mihawk’s. However, that then means Mihawk isn’t the strongest in that category. Hence why it makes a lot more sense that Oda simply means more skilled.

          This was the case 2 years ago as well, so I don’t see how Whitebeard’s death changes anything.

          On that note, why isn’t Mihawk now being called the strongest man in the world period?

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:26 pm #

          Dragon’s title is WORLD MOST WANTED MAN. Doflamingo’s is WORLD’S MOST DANGEROUS MAN. Bounty was stated to not directly refer to strength but threat to the WG.

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 9:39 pm #

          @Leptor, shanks was pissed and so was whitebeard( conveying their emotions) which led to COC stuff and sky splitting. However mihawk hasn’t been shown conveying emotions on that level, any emotions if i should say, that doesn’t necessarily mean he cannot possess haki at that level, does it?

          For your final statement about shanks using less ”swordsmanship skill” which i still don’t get, is just ur assumption

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:17 pm #

          Shanks wasn’t pissed. Whitebeard was, but not Shanks. Yes, well, with the facts that exist about swordsmanship- it is very unlikely that a swordsman with one arm would be able to employ that level of skill as he would with two arms, and would therefore naturally look to use other things in combat than just one’s sword. Moreover, it is your assumption to begin with that Shanks would be included here.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:18 pm #

          Sorry for typing it in one paragraph. Apparently, that is the only way for me to avoid my comments going into moderation for now. So unless I feel like I have to, I’ll just be posting like that until the site calms down on post moderation.

    • Griffith - February 9, 2014 at 10:07 pm #

      that may seem plausible but you are forgetting Akainu never grounded WB it was the other way round it was just WB, the only thing Akainu did was weaken the already weakened WB.

    • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:28 pm #

      akainu got his ass kicked by WB , WB intention was nevar on fighting akainu but for saving ace ..so if its a one on one fight with akainu , akainu wil be stomped in an instant

  17. Slim Shady - February 9, 2014 at 7:05 pm #

    http://postimg.org/image/nrihzrbdz/

    Jezus Burgress has got CoA.
    #_#

    • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:28 pm #

      yes , he has COA

  18. controlminds-no mi - February 9, 2014 at 8:37 pm #

    BB (Schichibukai) defeated WB (Yonkou) and became yonkkou.

    if even once mihawk won against shanks he would be the yonkou and shanks one of the schichibukai or just a normal pirate..

    • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:43 pm #

      Do you even understand what it takes to be yonko? Influence, Power, Territory and an army the size of a fleets.

      Exactly Jimbei said BB did to become yonko. Killing WB didn’t make BB yonko, taking over WBs territories, gaining power in force and hunting fruit users did.

      You posted that like BB defeated WB in a fight. The logic here is close to retarded. Killing a yonko does not automatically make you a yonko. Baka

      • Griffith - February 9, 2014 at 10:05 pm #

        agree with this it takes more than killing an Yonko to become an Yonkou its how you take over their territory and others to become labelled an Yonko contender, if high enough yeah if not im sure there are other pirates or marines allied with no Yonkou or own their own territory in the midst of the Yonkou

    • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:29 pm #

      he took over the entire WB ilands and then became yonko

  19. Caliginoso - February 9, 2014 at 8:39 pm #

    I wonder who forged Mihawk’s sword, or could he possibly have inherited?

    Might he just have won it in a battle with a worthy opponent. I believe it was custom in those times for swordsman to take the sword of the loser, that prove to be very skilled thus carrying it would take the wielders honor away.

    • fame - February 9, 2014 at 8:52 pm #

      All I know is Zoro’s poor sense of direction gags started when he picked up Sandai Kitetsu.

      It’d be interesting if Yoru is a blade of luck, opposite to the Kitetsu blades’ cursed trait.

      • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

        No he already had poor sense of direction even during ussop’s hometown saga.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:11 pm #

          I don’t believe he did. I’m also not looking forward to rechecking that far back

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:19 pm #

          @ D. Luffy.

          I thought about that too, but I think that was actually Luffy who got lost.

          I can’t remember if Zoro did as well. It’s been months since I read back that far.

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 9:44 pm #

          @Leptor, they both didn’t know where north was during django’s invasion and arrived late.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:52 pm #

          Not knowing which way north is very different from confusing North and UP.

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 9:54 pm #

          True that

      • Kai D.Vongola - February 11, 2014 at 11:14 am #

        He already had poor sense of direction that is why he wasn’t able to return to his own village after getting lost….(It was said when only Luffy and Zoro were travelling together)

    • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 8:55 pm #

      It states that mihawk’s sword is a of the supreme grade swords along with the oldest of the kitetsu which some believe is wielded by the old gorosei swordsman, and is part of the 52 blsh blsh craftmanship thingy(sorry don’t know the full name)

      • Slim Shady - February 9, 2014 at 9:12 pm #

        I wanna see cool swordsman fights in Wano arc,

        • SwagAssassin ;) - February 9, 2014 at 11:22 pm #

          This is like the 10th time you wrote this -_- You’re so lost in this battle.

      • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 9:23 pm #

        Mihawks sword is the strongest thus being named the strongest swordsman.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:28 pm #

          because its the blade that makes the man not the other way round?

        • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 9:33 pm #

          Well if you have the strongest sword you will most likely be called the strongest swordsman is all Im sayin

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:39 pm #

          Just like if I had the best calculator, I’d be called the best mathematician.

        • D. Luffy - February 9, 2014 at 9:46 pm #

          bad logic

    • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:30 pm #

      yes , its very intresting to know abt 12 highest graded swords

  20. blabalblub - February 9, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

    http://www.uttertopia.com/18/post/2014/02/hunter-x-hunter-image-drawn-by-the-author-of-dragon-ball.html

    Hunter hunter drawn by Toriyama
    pretty awesome!

  21. Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 9:31 pm #

    @Fame IF all the powers of the Marines= Yonko= Shichibukai
    Why would the Marines need them if Marines=Yonko to create balance? & going by that logic you believe All the Shichibukai can take on ALL of the Marines??

    • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 9:32 pm #

      Indeed.

      Plus, it wouldn’t make sense for them to surrender to two Yonkous if the Shichibukais by themselves accounted for two Yonkous.

      • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 9:37 pm #

        It showed us in the war it took Marines+Shichibukai= 1 Yonko when 2 came war was over lets be honest here Shanks couldve destroyed Marineford right then and there

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 9:47 pm #

          If anything it showed Marines + Shichi > one yonko fleet. The marines didn’t lose any significant name during the war while the yonko lost at least 2 with others injured. The Marines didn’t have the support of all 7 shichi either, 2/3 Admirals didn’t receive more than a scratch and I don’t recall more than 3-4 VA being in trouble while WB’s forces who were augmented by Luffy’s team from ID still lost.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:49 pm #

          Actually the entire war was

          Moriah, Doflamingo, Mihawk, Aokiji, Kizaru, Akainu and Smoker + Vice admirals and marines

          vs.

          WB, Marco, Jozu, Squad, Vista, Crocodile, Oz Jr., Jimbei, Hancock, hundreds of level 1 to 5 Impel Down and Luffy + New world captains and crews.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:51 pm #

          You can add pacifistas and Kuma to the WG if it makes you feel better.

        • Griffith - February 9, 2014 at 10:02 pm #

          ^ it wasnt entirely like that as then half way through the war it became more of people wanting to get their own best out of the war or do their own thing.

          Hancock was on no ones side but Luffy’s

          Doffy was there to have fun whilst taking out WB Pirates down

          Moriah wanted Marines to die and WB Pirates as well for his zombies

          Kuma – No explaination needed

          Mihawk – Was clearly shown to fight WB Pirates and the ID convicts

          3 Admirals mainly fought the commanders if not WB at one stage or another

          Vice Admirals was all fighting the WB Allies

          Luffy was gonna fight whomever got in his way to save Ace but WB Pirates were after the same thing so they fall hand in hand even though Luffy never gave a shit about WB or his crew or allies

        • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 10:05 pm #

          @doflamingo Correct me if im wrong WB crew was outnumbered 10 to 1 ofc they would have all those casualties

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 10:06 pm #

          Its without doubt those who came to support Ace were much greater in number and had more great powers than those implored by the WG.

          Ace’s allies were still slaughtered with relative ease.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:14 pm #

          Yet, when it came down to it, the world government and Shichibukai forfeited at the idea of facing a second Yonkou.

        • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 10:19 pm #

          @fame WB forces did not outnumber the marines… Where did you get this idea from?

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 10:21 pm #

          Excuse me Leptor, I’m not sure what you’re reading but it plain clear that the reason the fighting stopped was because Sengoku granted Shanks’ request.

          Coby practically pleading to Akainu to stop the war and stop slaughtering pirates whilst injured fodder marines were being left to suffer.

          Nothing at all to do with fear of facing a yonko again.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:22 pm #

          There were over 100,000 marines present + a number of PXs + the Shichibukai.

          In Whitebeard’s case, there were around 50 ships I believe. So, maybe around 2,000-3,000 pirates on his side.

        • Griffith - February 9, 2014 at 10:23 pm #

          @Leptor what are you smoking dude i need some of that

          Firstly the Marines + Shichubukai have enough forces to just about handle 1 Yonko (2 years ago)

          But now they are capable of handling 1 yonkou without the use of the Shichubukai

          So going back it was clearly highlighted that Marines would have got swept by Shanks’ crew because they just had enough forces to handle 1 not 2 yonko

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 10:25 pm #

          You repeatedly ask questions that warrant obvious answers, Blvck

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:26 pm #

          @ fame.

          Akainu was going to continue regardless of Coby’s cries. The former made that abundantly clear.

          What stopped him from taking action was Shanks.

          Indeed, when Shanks challenged them to fight, they got scared. The look on the marines’ face said it all.

          Sengoku was even willing to get in trouble just to avoid fighting another Yonkou.

          So, knowing this, how do you think they would have reacted if the Big Mam Pirates also decided to fight them along with the Red Hair Pirates?

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:27 pm #

          @ Griffith.

          Their point is that the Shichibukai by themselves are capable of countering all 4 Yonkous at once.

          They’re also suggesting the marines could do the same.

          Not that they could counterbalance just one Yonkou.

        • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 10:30 pm #

          @fame You said something false so I corrected you

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 10:30 pm #

          @blvck
          I’m not worried about excuses the results point to the opposite of your conclusion about Shichi + Marines = yonko.

        • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 10:31 pm #

          @Griffith you got the wrong idea bud

        • Griffith - February 9, 2014 at 10:32 pm #

          I think the majority is confusing on this its just that should all 7 Shichubukai work with one another with the Marines then they are in all aspects a power to behold but like everyone knows any of the shichubukai would even turn on themselves.

          But it was clearly interpretated that they are needed with the marines to just be able to fight an Yonkou head on. (So only 1)

        • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 10:33 pm #

          @Doflamingo They really dont

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:34 pm #

          @ Toys.

          We are discussing the Yonkous as an entire force. All four, in other words.

          For one to say that 7 Shichibukais = world government = all 4 Yonkous combined is demonstrably false.

          Otherwise, defeating the Whitebeard Pirates would have been a cakewalk and they would not have balked at having to then fight the Red Hair Pirates after the fact.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:35 pm #

          @ Griffith.

          That’s agreeable.

          Again, though, what we were disputing is the idea that the Shichibukai (by themselves) = all 4 Yonkous combined (which is what fame was saying).

        • nickname - February 9, 2014 at 10:36 pm #

          The marines didn’t surrender, both sides agreed on stopping the fighting. With Ace and WB dead they already accomplished their main objectives anyways, so taking on yet an other without being in top shape just didn’t make much sense at least not as much as waiting for an opportunity to take on Shanks in top shape does.

          The outcome of this fight would have been far from being certain tho, considering that bar Akainu all of their top fighters were still in decent to good condition.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 10:37 pm #

          Leptor, it seems you’re just fixated on the fictional idea that the marines lost that war and if you can’t pass that then they forfeited at the chance of facing a second yonko.

          It should be to anyone reading without bias that the man who calls the shots for the marines saw sense and sided with both Coby and Shanks who wanted the slaughtering to stop.

          If Sengoku wanted to take Shanks down too he wouldn’t have granted his request. The ceasefire was granted at request for the sake of the losing pirates being slaughtered and injured fodder marines.

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 10:39 pm #

          @Leptor
          The original comment:
          “It showed us in the war it took Marines+Shichibukai= 1 Yonko” – Blcvk

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 10:39 pm #

          @blcvk
          Do you understand what equals is?

        • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 10:44 pm #

          I take that statement back its Marines+ shichibukai= 4yonko

        • nickname - February 9, 2014 at 10:45 pm #

          And that original comment is BS, the shichi hardly participated in the fighting and some even turned against them but it was still a clear win for the marines.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm #

          Blvck was talking about a fantasy in which WB took on everyone at Marie Joa by himself without his allies and top tier commanders.

        • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 10:49 pm #

          Never said anything of the sort

        • Doflamingo - February 9, 2014 at 10:52 pm #

          @Blvck
          Well if you take that statement back its a completely different story. However I don’t agree with that either. In the story it suggests Shichi = 4 yonko = Marines but now Fuijtora wants to see if Marines > 4 yonko + shichi.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 10:53 pm #

          @ nickname.

          Let me simply ask you two questions:

          1. Based on how the marines reacted at having to face a second Yonkou crew, do you honestly believe that the WG + Shichibukai were going to be able to challenge them? (If you say yes, their reaction makes zero sense, but I’m still curious to see how you answer).

          2. Based on that same reaction, do you honestly believe they could have challenged the combination of the Red Hair Pirates + Kaidou and his crew + the Big Mam Pirates?

          @ fame.

          That’s a strawman fallacy. I never said the Whitebeard Pirates didn’t lose.

          I was speaking specifically in regards to Whitebeard vs. Akainu, in which you claim the latter dealt the decisive blow on the former.

          Saying I’m biased is ad hominem- and in all likelihood, hypocritical, with all due respect.

          Sengoku accepted getting in trouble (and, indeed, having to resign) just to accept Shanks’ deal.

          @ Toys.

          Maybe, but the debate started with fame claiming that the 7 Shichibukai are equal to all 4 Yonkous combined.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 10:55 pm #

          Do you comprehend that when ‘yonko’ is used its not always referring to an individual but that characters overall battle power?

          So next time you want say WG+Shichibukai = 1 yonko at the war, try evaluating that 1 yonko = WB + 16 captain commanders and 1056 new world pirates.

          In turn I will acknowledge that at the war WG+Shichi = 4 admirals, Garp, 3 Shichibukai + about 7 vice admirals and fodder marines.

        • nickname - February 9, 2014 at 11:16 pm #

          @Leptor
          1. Pretty normal reaction for the sudden appearance of a frikkin yonkou you deemed completely busy somewhere else.
          Sure the fodders were scared but shocked or surprised is a better description for their overall reaction, especially since Shanks arriving totally unexpected plays a crucial role there. It’s not like the WG prepared to fight two yonkou afterall.

          2. 3 yonkou? Hell no.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 11:21 pm #

          @ fame.

          What are you referring to? I always figured you were talking about the entire crews.

          If anything, I’d find it more plausible if you were referring to 7 Shichibukai individuals being equal to 4 Yonkou individuals (although I would obviously strongly disagree with that as well).

          However, you said 7 Shichibukai = 4 Yonkous combined. Yes, I assumed you were referring to all their crews- as you should be, since that would be the context here based on what has been said.

          @ nickname.

          1. Actually, I meant their reaction after Shanks openly challenged them. He said if he has any takers, they will take care of everyone there. The marines got scared when Shanks said this.

          2. Well okay then. That’s my point exactly. Even the marines + Shichibukai combined being = to all 4 Yonkou alone is a stretch to me. That’s why I usually say “somewhat neutralize”, because I am in no way convinced they’d be able to fight on par with all 4 at once. However, what I am specifically debating here is 7 Shichibukai (by themselves) vs. all 4 Yonkou combined.

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 11:27 pm #

          Leptor, same thing that throws a lot of people off. They forget ‘Shichibukai’ and ‘Yonko’ translate directly as ‘7 Warlords’ and ‘4 Emperors’ respectively. Nouns both singular and plural according to context.

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 11:34 pm #

          I know, but I’m not sure what your point is.

          Are you saying that you weren’t saying Shichibukai = Yonkou (which naturally means the 7 that are part of the Shichibukai and their crews vs. the 4 that are part of the Yonkou and their crews)?

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 11:44 pm #

          I was saying the 7 Warlords + assets = 4 Emperors + assets = WG + assets. That doesn’t mean 1 warlord can’t defeat Shanks/BM/BB/Kaido one-on-one.

          We know 2 have failed (croc/moria) and 1 isn’t strong enough (jimbei) but that can’t be generalised to Mihawk/Doflamingo/Hancock/Kuma/New Guy.

          I was saying that when speaking of strength there is no algorithm to determining who would win in a one-on-one bewteen a yonko and shichi.

        • Griffith - February 9, 2014 at 11:48 pm #

          Damn to think this escalated a bit too much … :O

        • Leptor - February 9, 2014 at 11:59 pm #

          @ fame.

          I disagree on your point about individuals, but that’s neither here nor there.

          I was aware that you were including the entire groups of each one (assets as you call them).

          What I’m saying is that Shichibukai (the 7 characters + their assets) being = 4 Yonkou (+ their assets) is demonstrably false on the basis that the WG + Shichibukai combined were clearly unable to cope with fighting 2 Yonkou at once, and it’s even more clear that they wouldn’t be able to fight all 4.

        • fame - February 10, 2014 at 12:10 am #

          Hence why I made the post above regarding those who actually participated in the war and who’s side they were actually on.

          I dont know how you interpret the Marines couldn’t handle 2 yonko, they pretty much slaughtered the enemy with relative ease.

          You also haven’t accounted that the WG didn’t bring all its marine forces to war, we have no idea how much of it remained stationed in the New World.

        • Leptor - February 10, 2014 at 7:55 am #

          @ fame.

          Sengoku also participated, albeit only a small amount.

          Those new world Captains are part of Whitebeard’s alliance, so they don’t count as extra help.

          So, I’ll give you that the marines lacked Garp + Hancock + Vergo.

          On the other hand, the other side had the additional help of the prisoners + Hancock (albeit only a small amount) + Luffy.

          Crocodile participated on both sides at some point or another.

          Be that as it may- even with Garp still available to them, the marines were shown scared at the prospect of facing a second Yonkou crew. Not when the Red Hair Pirates arrived (though that too), but when Shanks said they’ll wipe out everyone there- and the marines got scared. Then, Sengoku accepted hefty responsibility to agree to their terms.

          Does that mean they wouldn’t have also beaten the Red Hair Pirates while also fighting the Whitebeard Pirates? I’d say it’s pretty clear that they wouldn’t, but that doesn’t matter.

          At the very least, I think we can all agree that they would not have defeated a third- much, much, much less a fourth.

          If they could have, defeating the Red Hair Pirates after fighting the Whitebeard Pirates would have been a breeze.

          Who did the marines not take aside from Vergo? Who knows, but we know it couldn’t have been more than some Vice Admirals + Rear Admirals + Commodores + Captains + Vice Captains.

          We already know all the Admirals were dispatched, and naturally so were Sengoku/Garp.

          At any rate, it’s clear that the Shichibukai on it’s own is not equal to the Yonkou. As it stands, even with the marines on their side they do not actually appear to match the entirety of the Yonkou (unless the marines literally left the majority of their forces in the new world- which is obviously not the case). Even if on the nearly impossible chance that they did leave the majority of their forces behind, I’d still say it’s doubtful that they would match the Yonkou as a whole.

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 9:43 pm #

        If you are the mafia and you’re at a stalemate with a group moving in on your turf, why would you want to ally with another group?

        • Griffith - February 9, 2014 at 9:55 pm #

          Yup and even it was stated to even see or hear an Shichubukai team up with one another would be something out the ordinary

      • Blvck Gxd - February 9, 2014 at 9:44 pm #

        Even if pre timeskip Marines=Shicibukai= Yonko the marines got stronger didnt? SO going by fames logic we now have Marines> Shichibukai= Yonko. Making the Shichibukai utterly useless, I dont recall the Shichibukai getting stronger actually a lil weaker no offense to buggy fans so now its Marines>Yonkou>Shichibukai again going by fames logic… Im scratching my head here

        • fame - February 9, 2014 at 10:03 pm #

          Honestly think about what you’re typing. The manga told you directly that the marines are indeed much more powerful than ever now. Not to mention feats of the new additions/replacements to the shichibukai.

        • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:32 pm #

          marines+ schibukai = yonko

  22. goldroger - February 9, 2014 at 9:45 pm #

    @nidai kitetsu
    Nidai u smartass follower of billy i never say shank dont have coc 12 years ago i say his capability freaking weak comparing current shanks.his current coc as yonko is amazing.

    And what the fuck is wb’s great pirate standart?Does it written as great as u say-_-
    wb acknowledge him bcose he was in roger ship,go back read the story when shanks meet wb.

    no yonko lived in east blue for years.yonko residenced in new world thats fact(go write description of yonkou).it’s enough to prove that shanks wasnt yonko 12 years ago and checkmate for u.

    • SwagAssassin ;) - February 9, 2014 at 11:16 pm #

      @goldroger
      What makes you think he was weak compared to now? Did you personally confront him and measure his strength?

      If WB acknowledged him just cuz he was on Roger’s crew, then why would he bring up his duels with Mihawk?

      Again, you keep going on with your baseless arguments. How is Yonkou’s residing in the NW a fact? Are you telling me that after Luffy becomes PK, he won’t ever visit his village? There is no proof whether Shanks was a yonkou or not 12 years ago. There are some points in favor of him not being a yonkou, but there are no concrete facts. LOOOL I died at the “checkmate” part xD

      • goldroger - February 10, 2014 at 12:30 am #

        of course he’s weak, he didnt make mountain bandits fainted 12 years ago,current shanks capable make the strongest pirate crew fainted.he loses arm to sea monster eventho by purposes,but lose part of his body is too much,which later the monster get its ass kicked ass by noob luffy.

        dumbass go read yonko description.
        if u cant find it, ask google and find out where their lived..

        visit and lived is two freakin different words.shanks been lived there for years(he make base fuckin camp)

        if u can find yonko in grand line(outside new world,oda will make luffy wipe she/he just like oda meke luffy wiped shicbukai)

        that’s why oda showed us moria get beating to pulp after came back from NEW WORLD by kaido not outside NW.

        try to look what implied and not just wait oda feed us with explicit fact.be smart reader.

        • goldroger - February 10, 2014 at 12:38 am #

          the pirates rute: first part grand line–>new world–>one piece(uknown area of new world).ppl who lived in new world is choosen by nature(fact)if theyre weak enough either get killed they will back to first part of grand line.

          if yonko reside in first part of grand line,the rule about survive only in 2 ways(under yonko or against yonko)is occur in first part of grand line .

        • Billy / Hakuba - February 10, 2014 at 12:53 am #

          From when in the world Hoashoku Haki became the only criteria to evaluate an individual strength noobskull? Why you need Luffy’s latter part kicking Sea King’s ass? What has this to do with Shanks being an Yonkou or not in the past, blcokhead?

          Google is required for dumbass like you, don’t categorize people on the same league of yours, moron.

          You don’t know your own limits of extreme idiocy, come on unleash your crappy more & more thoughts, I am enjoying. You have a pile of laughing stock here in MS, ooooohhhh yeeaaaah. As I have insisted your reputation is leaping in a lightning speed, showcase it. I am laughing to death with each & every post of yours.

        • goldroger - February 10, 2014 at 12:54 am #

          and PK and yonko is different
          of course if luffy being PK he might come to his home town bcose he has reached his own dream.but not if he only being a yonko because he havent get one piece..why ppl come back to his home while he havent fullfilled their dreams in new world?either bcose their mom is sick or he got their ass totally wiped out in NW.
          will zoro back to his home town before he reach his dream?possible but meaningless.
          that’s what happened to shanks.

        • goldroger - February 10, 2014 at 1:01 am #

          lmao billy the noob appear

          rayleigh:every famous man who made name for themselve has COC.

          go check where yonko lived billy,that’s a checkmate for u

          u lil noob stucked in the idea of first part grandline bcose u can’t move on, been 13 years and one piece is all about first part of grand line back days.but from now on it’s new world-the hardest sea that leads by 4 yonko.move on.

      • goldroger - February 10, 2014 at 12:39 am #

        the pirates rute: first part grand line–>new world–>one piece(uknown area of new world).ppl who lived in new world is choosen by nature(fact)if theyre weak enough either get killed they will back to first part of grand line.

        if yonko reside in first part of grand line,the rule about survive only in 2 ways(under yonko or against yonko)is occur in first part of grand line .

    • Billy / Hakuba - February 10, 2014 at 12:44 am #

      DAMN PATHETIC!!!!

      I have derived a new inference form your own propositions:

      – Billy is a Leader. Why?

      – Because he has followers.

      – Roger is a Loser.

      The first part part & third part is not subjected to any clauses, however second part is subjected Mr. Roger’s UBER foolish thoughts.

      You crap filled skull with a crap formed brain, don’t use lethal words which doesn’t suits you. These words will make you more idiotic rather than being charismatic.

      CHECK MATE, I (Billy, the Boss) have been giving it for you right from day one. I have cornered you each & every time unlike you who tries to pulls this stunt with words alone whilst no set of actions.

      I wonder how you are surviving in your real world. >.>

      • goldroger - February 10, 2014 at 1:08 am #

        Lmao u are bending my concept too far chump.

        3 kinds of ppl
        LEADER(luffy)
        FOLLOWER(zoro)
        —————— that’s fact
        LOSER (billy)
        why?
        bcause he said the follower greater than the leader,and he has been following the follower and more over he use his joke to support the follower claim it as fact and his logic.

        go fuck yr homework kid.

      • controlminds-no mi - February 10, 2014 at 9:02 am #

        everyone with twitter has followers..
        doesnt make you a leader silly:P

        smh

  23. Haiti305 - February 9, 2014 at 10:02 pm #

    Can we talk about something that is not mihawk n shanks, ever since this came up it’s been nonstop u guys just keep bringing up the same points there is no new evidence, let’s just bury this for now n talking about some other stuff that I may have missed or still dnt know

    • SwagAssassin ;) - February 9, 2014 at 11:12 pm #

      You can bring something interesting up :D

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 11:14 pm #

        He’ll bring Haiti up

        • SwagAssassin ;) - February 9, 2014 at 11:19 pm #

          Shit’s so far in the past, yet people still affected :(

  24. Griffith - February 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm #

    Damn its been too long since i had a good debate with some oldies on here

  25. Titus - February 9, 2014 at 11:09 pm #

    naruto iz da bestestsss mango evar

    • SwagAssassin ;) - February 9, 2014 at 11:17 pm #

      at list fary tail iz shit cumpar 2 naruto lulz

    • you can never fill that bottomless pit - February 9, 2014 at 11:18 pm #

      you suck at trolling, dear fairytail fan :)

      • Titus - February 9, 2014 at 11:22 pm #

        whatever do you mean?

        nardo is my most fav mango evarr, yo

        fuk dat one piss shit

        • SwagAssassin ;) - February 9, 2014 at 11:24 pm #

          one piss in so many lvl k fuk 2 u

        • you can never fill that bottomless pit - February 9, 2014 at 11:35 pm #

          heh

          http://www.mangaspoiler.com/2014/02/02/one-piece-737-spoiler-%e3%80%8c%e3%83%af%e3%83%b3%e3%83%94%e3%83%bc%e3%82%b9-%e3%83%8d%e3%82%bf%e3%83%90%e3%83%ac%e3%80%8d-%e7%ac%ac737%e8%a9%b1/comment-page-14/?replytocom=528959#respond

          by the way,

          is it true that mashima’s doodles excite you?:D

          fairy tails fans are like rare animals. i like to observe those freaks and watch what they might do. could be interesting. thats why i am keeping an eye on you :)

          ahhhh and,

          your pathetic efforts to spam my section with talks about that stupid manga failed miserably, poor thing hahaha

        • Titus - February 9, 2014 at 11:49 pm #

          His doodles?

          Your link didn’t redirect me to any comment

        • you can never fill that bottomless pit - February 9, 2014 at 11:59 pm #

          Titus – February 7, 2014 at 12:34 am #

          One Piece – 3
          AoT – 8
          Bleach – 2
          Naruto – 2
          Fairy Tail – 8

        • Titus - February 10, 2014 at 12:03 am #

          Ahh, I was actually trying to be kinda humble with that Fairy Tail rating

          Should usually be a 9 or 10

          and I was being generous by giving OP a 3…

          What of it, tho?

        • you can never fill that bottomless pit - February 10, 2014 at 12:08 am #

          gosh,

          dealing with idiots isnt something i am not good at

          well,

          Titus: nardo is my most fav mango evarr, yo

          Titus:
          One Piece – 3
          AoT – 8
          Bleach – 2
          Naruto – 2
          Fairy Tail – 8

          still dont get it? :/

    • fame - February 9, 2014 at 11:30 pm #

      The only fans with the right to troll other manga right now are FT fans. Fairy Tail fans be like “N*GGA WE MADE IT!”

      • Gildarts - February 9, 2014 at 11:31 pm #

        Yeah Fairy tail is the real deal right now

        • you can never fill that bottomless pit - February 9, 2014 at 11:41 pm #

          ummm

          i wonder if you are as fun to obserave as titus

          we’ll see, i guess

          i am adding you to my collection of freaks.
          what tricks you can do, i cant wait to see :)

    • Griffith - February 9, 2014 at 11:47 pm #

      Psssh Please Panda Naruto … meh i cant be bothered to talk about something that use to be so good so ending it there

      • fame - February 9, 2014 at 11:58 pm #

        Naruto’s had stupid developments in parts but its still great. Fairy Tail though used to suck phallus and snort crack, then it went to rehab and got its life in order like EMINEM.

        It could have pulled an Amy Wine-house on us like Hitman Reborn and OD’d but it didn’t.

        • Griffith - February 10, 2014 at 12:02 am #

          Haha

          Well i wouldnt even put garbage like FT in Bleach’s league never mind Naruto or OP they eat Bleach and FT put together but yeah Naruto been up and down a lot

        • Titus - February 10, 2014 at 12:05 am #

          Do you even read FT?

        • Griffith - February 10, 2014 at 12:05 am #

          Yeah its the same ecchi nonsense or nakama crap

        • Titus - February 10, 2014 at 12:06 am #

          How far in, like 3 chapters?

        • Griffith - February 10, 2014 at 12:08 am #

          Nope up to date with it

          Finally FT got wrecked shame Happy is gonna turn into an large puff ball

        • Titus - February 10, 2014 at 12:09 am #

          Ahh, so it’s not ignorance just terrible taste..

        • Griffith - February 10, 2014 at 12:10 am #

          I just hope Hiro kills some people off too many fodders in that guild or kill someone and keep him/her dead

        • Griffith - February 10, 2014 at 12:11 am #

          anyways been a long time since i heard OC from you … Fufufufu

        • Titus - February 10, 2014 at 12:19 am #

          Mmm, did you used to go by a different name?

        • Griffith - February 10, 2014 at 12:19 am #

          :hmm: :maybe:

        • Titus - February 10, 2014 at 12:32 am #

          Ehh, kk

        • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:37 pm #

          agreed FT is shit

    • kakarott - February 12, 2014 at 8:34 pm #

      naruto has become shitty now and fairy tail is shitty frm the begnining