Naruto 「ナルトネタバレ」 689 Spoilers

2014 August 11

Naruto 689 Spoiler: The last chapter end with obito back and give kakashi his eye. !! so what happens next..? find out story on Naruto 689 ナルトネタバレ 第689話 Spoilers at if you would like to discuss the Spoilers or predictions, please leave a comment below.

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Naruto 689 Trivia: Studio Pierrot’s Settei sheets of Kakashi show that he was 140 cm in Naruto Shippūden 4: The Lost Tower 148 cm as a newly promoted jōnin at Kannabi Bridge and 168 cm when the Nine-Tails’ attack occurred.

503 Responses to “Naruto 「ナルトネタバレ」 689 Spoilers”

  1. Gildarts - August 20, 2014 at 9:04 am #

    Good chapter, good chapter. Sakura wasn’t useless at all and nobody gave her chakra so the spoiler was wrong. Kaguya must be done now, so we can move on. The only thing that disturbed me was that Kakashi could easily use a complete Susanoo because it’s the first time he uses MS and he also has a regular MS not an EMS.

    • Komori Ningen - August 20, 2014 at 12:27 pm #

      You’re using logic for Naruto ?
      Why would you torture yourself so much ?
      Nothing good will come from it

      • ijaylarge - August 20, 2014 at 1:18 pm #

        haha never use logic in analysing naruto just enjoy the errors and flaws

  2. ice - August 20, 2014 at 9:17 am #

    anyway they won’t make it
    because…..we saw Hogoromo explaining the Kages his plan to stop Kaguya

    • Steve - August 21, 2014 at 7:29 pm #

      Do we know that for sure? Maybe he’s explaining to the Kages how to save all the people that turned into white Zetzus under the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

  3. KarakuraNinja - August 20, 2014 at 10:19 am #

    Sakura saved the day… well I was close I guess, thought it would be another girl like Tenten.

    • Sakanade - August 20, 2014 at 11:07 am #

      I want a catfight. Sakura vs Kaguya on bikini.

      • toby - August 20, 2014 at 5:28 pm #


  4. dlVinE - August 20, 2014 at 11:06 am #

    Salute to Kishimoto for letting the most useless character Sakura take part in this whole ninja world as an active participant by letting her punch the most powerful character of narutoverse.
    When the enemy is completely occupied with almost equal rivals, she jumps in SHHAANNNAAARRROOOOOOO…(Bitch please).
    The amazing thing is Kishimoto saying ” Their power becomes one” .. WTF???

    • Sakanade - August 20, 2014 at 11:13 am #

      It’s ridiculous because her byakugan should’ve seen Sakura above her, and i know it wasn’t the blind-spot since Sakura isn’t supposed to know that. Explain that!

      • Titus - August 20, 2014 at 11:29 am #

        The 360 vision isn’t a part of the Byakugan. The user has to set up a field of chakra around themselves on their own.

      • monkey D. fart - August 20, 2014 at 12:15 pm #

        titus is right. tats how nenji beat the shit out of everyone including naruto. naruto won because the 360 view was off and naruto came in by surprise.

      • NARUTO_MY NINJA, MY NINJA - August 20, 2014 at 4:29 pm #

        I thought that was the primary ability is the 360 degree field of vision. I thought rotation was something the head branch could master?

      • KarakuraNinja - August 22, 2014 at 12:23 am #

        I thought it was an inherit ability. I think Kaguya was aware of Sakura btw, but even with that vision she couldn’t do anything.

    • Komori Ningen - August 20, 2014 at 12:24 pm #

      Wow it was actually quite interesting
      Good thing that I lowered my expectations to ground 0
      Now I enjoy it more

      • kyuubirasagen - August 20, 2014 at 12:39 pm #

        Your comment literally made me laugh out loud

      • Sakanade - August 20, 2014 at 1:34 pm #

        Lol, i wish i could lower as i please.

    • Eekram - August 20, 2014 at 3:20 pm #

      Is she still alive? wtf!

  5. Hakuba - August 20, 2014 at 12:59 pm #

    And therefore, Sasuke and Naruto will not be able to seal it because they didn’t know how this technique work … HAHAHA

    • Eekram - August 20, 2014 at 3:19 pm #

      They’ll be able to death. Its possible for Kishi. look at Kakashi. next thing we know he” burn Kaguya with his Amaterasu.

  6. Souzosuke - August 20, 2014 at 1:12 pm #

    In next chapter, the first panel shows Kaguya’s third eye beginning to shine, the next panel is all black with two words written in white letters, the panel says- SHINRA TENSEI

    • Uchiha Shisui The Heart And Soul Of MS - August 20, 2014 at 3:12 pm #

      (pain’s theme song starts playing)

      • Souzosuke - August 20, 2014 at 10:45 pm #


    • Eekram - August 20, 2014 at 3:18 pm #

      Then how ill NaruSasu respond to it? by developing or awakening new skill in an instant?

      • Uchiha Shisui The Heart And Soul Of MS - August 20, 2014 at 3:37 pm #

        Sauske gets a new ancient uchiha MS technique that only izuna uchiha could use…….kakashi gets te same technique 2 chapters later…..

      • Minato - August 20, 2014 at 3:54 pm #

        What technique is uchiha Shisui The Heart And Soul Of MS?

  7. Eekram - August 20, 2014 at 3:16 pm #

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that Kakashi able to use Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi. Kishi nailed ut. :-D
    What a sight! Nice development. in a blink of an eye everything will change.

  8. Leptor - August 20, 2014 at 4:22 pm #

    Decent chapter.

    The action was pretty good, and Kakashi’s words were powerful. My only complaints are still how Obito transferred his Sharingan to Kakashi and Kaguya is still boring.

    First decent chapter in a while for Naruto.

    I give this chapter a 3.6/10 (rounding to 4/10).

    • KarakuraNinja - August 22, 2014 at 12:24 am #

      decent? You sure you didn’t give the chapter a bad rating lol

  9. NARUTO_MY NINJA, MY NINJA - August 20, 2014 at 4:22 pm #

    It would be funny if Kaguya was a bone clone @.@

    • Titus - August 20, 2014 at 7:50 pm #

      I’m just waiting for this battle to end, to be honest.

      • Gildarts - August 20, 2014 at 9:24 pm #

        I am waiting it to end too. If it’s Sasuke vs Naruto great, otherwise I just hope Kishi ends it.

      • Rise_Phoenix - August 20, 2014 at 11:00 pm #

        Me too everyone hit or landed a blow to kaguya except Sasuke!!

  10. hortlak - August 20, 2014 at 10:55 pm #

    so current kakashi or ems madara, who is stronger?

    • Minato - August 20, 2014 at 11:14 pm #

      Kakashi is stronger, Madara won’t even get close to touching him

      • Titus - August 20, 2014 at 11:22 pm #

        Still see Madara as the much more skilled shinobi…

    • Leptor - August 21, 2014 at 12:06 am #

      I would say current Kakashi = or > Hashidaragato (Madara + Rinnegan + Hashirama’s cells) >>> beginning of war Kakashi/normal Madara.

    • Minato - August 21, 2014 at 12:51 am #

      Can someone explain to me how Madara would even touch Kakashi?

      • Titus - August 21, 2014 at 1:09 am #

        Did you used to think Obito was more powerful than Madara just because of his dimensional ability? But, as an example, Madara has limbo. An attack Kakashi can’t see or react to.

      • Leptor - August 21, 2014 at 2:02 am #

        @ Titus.

        Is that a response to me or Minato? :p

      • Titus - August 21, 2014 at 2:08 am #

        Was to Minato and shtuff

      • Leptor - August 21, 2014 at 2:09 am #

        Ah, okay. I figured that at first, but when he/she didn’t respond after a while I got curious. :p

      • Minato - August 21, 2014 at 3:12 am #

        Hey Titus, Had Obito displayed the Sussano along with combining Kamui with his moves like Kakashi did then I would think that Obito was Stronger….. Please keep in mind that Kakashi landed a blow on Kaguya that not even Saskue could

      • Titus - August 21, 2014 at 3:16 am #

        Sasuke’s hit Kaguya several times…

        Even Sakura managed to land a blow on her…

      • Minato - August 21, 2014 at 3:23 am #

        Sakura caught her off guard. I don’t recall Saskue hitting her Str8 up, correct me if I’m wrong

      • Titus - August 21, 2014 at 3:28 am #

        It’s happened more than once throughout the fight…

        From Amaterasu, to frontal attacks with his Susanao..

      • Trafalgar Law - August 21, 2014 at 10:49 am #

        actually titus all those instances sasuke failed and got knocked the hell back reread it i promise you its like that , its where i fromed the narto>sasuke cause naruto has been damaging and pressuring kaguya way more

      • Titus - August 21, 2014 at 10:51 am #

        I made my post after re reading.

      • Sakanade - August 21, 2014 at 1:42 pm #

        You are mistaken Trafalgar, about Naruto > Sasuke simply because he got Kaguya on 1 time. Why? Kaguya switched dimensions right after Obito helped find Sasuke to a gravitational dimension so that none of them could attack her, at the same time she couldn’t do anything except throw spears of bones. But even in that condition Sasuke could’ve wounded her when he leaped by transporting using his rinnegan, Kaguya switched dimensions again to avoid the chidori. In the new dimension where everyone were free from the strong gravitation of the previous dimension, this is where Naruto quickly moved and ripped her arm. He couldn’t have done this in the previous dimension, and thus no Naruto > Sasuke. Get it?

      • Minato - August 21, 2014 at 4:00 pm #

        Sakanade I don’t get it… All you’ve explain was that in the Gravitational Dimension Saskue’s Teleportation Techique gives him an Advantage, but even with that advantage he did 0 damage. Don’t get me wrong he is a treat to Kaguya but you can’t hurt something you can’t catch. Eg. Trunks VS Cell

      • Sakande - August 21, 2014 at 4:52 pm #

        I hereby annoint you Confused the first of his name.

      • NARUTO_MY NINJA, MY NINJA - August 21, 2014 at 11:06 pm #

        Minato’s right Sakande. Your statement is based on would’ve, could’ve, and should’ve. He DIDN’T do anything. Even after getting out of the gravity dimension he teleported to attack her and she still evaded his attack and evaded his Susano’o attacks as well. Since her inception, Naruto managed to land two attacks on here: He punched her when he used his sexy jutsu and ripped her arm off where Black Zetsu resided. Kakashi cut her right arm. And EVEN Sasukra managed to punched her and Sasuke just managed to get trapped in another dimension and needed rescuing. His purpose is to seal her cause he hasn’t been doing too much so far.

      • Minato - August 22, 2014 at 12:56 am #


  11. Souzosuke - August 21, 2014 at 12:30 am #

    What if the shinigami from shiki fujin is actually Hamura?

  12. Trafalgar Law - August 21, 2014 at 1:57 am #

    the combo is great but kaguya is sl boring

  13. Trafalgar Law - August 21, 2014 at 10:42 am #

    The source is the mangeykou power is in the uchiha chakra not the dna exactly, since they got the power from the chakra from the shinju remember the sharingan is activated when a special chakra in the brain is activated, so kakashi receiving obito chakra ( which i assume went to 100% since he died is immense , it got upgraded upon receiving the 10 tails power , and prior to that he was able to spam kamiu , control 6 bijuu at once, summon the gedou mazou , control the 10 tails , fight for hours and yet show no fatigue, it isnt a stretch that kakashi receiving an upgraded form of this chakra is capable of producing such awesome feats)
    Why naruto seems stronger than her and hagoromo, he has the 9 bjuu to complement him and she has the issue of not ever really engaging in real combat, while naruto has immense combat abilities and his skills have been multiplied exponentially
    now naruo>kaguya>sasuke>=kakashi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura

    • Sakanade - August 21, 2014 at 1:28 pm #

      He got the eternal mangekyo because he received Obito’s eyes. Funny thing is its the same eyes, and the method was to receive it from another set of eyes from belonging to someone else with mangekyou. Meaning it was different from Sasuke and Madara, meaning Kishi can allow anything.

    • Hakuba - August 21, 2014 at 3:27 pm #

      Buggy >>>> ALL

  14. ThonyL - August 21, 2014 at 10:48 am #

    Kaguya the worst character ever created in the manga universe, she is totally bullshit, but we have something interesting in black Zetsu, who thinks black zetsu will not die and the story will repeat itself with Sasuke

  15. Trafalgar Law - August 21, 2014 at 11:02 am #

    Also kaguya did notice sakura she was just focused on naruto and sasuke way too much
    she just couldnt do anything from that position

  16. Minato - August 21, 2014 at 7:00 pm #

    Hey Titus, what do you think will happen in the upcoming Naruto Manga since the Sage appeared infront of the Hokages and told them about sealing his mother Kaguya?

    • Titus - August 21, 2014 at 7:38 pm #

      Not sure

    • Minato - August 21, 2014 at 7:51 pm #

      I don’t think the Sage told Naruto and Saskue everything, maybe because he didn’t believe they would succeed.

      • Titus - August 21, 2014 at 8:09 pm #

        Maybe, maybe. Not sure if I agree that he ‘d task them with something like that thinking they’d fail, but maybe there was more to it than just the sealing, and like you said, didn’t tell Naruto and Sasuke everything.

  17. Sane - August 21, 2014 at 9:05 pm #

    Sakura was ACTAULLY useful…. talk about that :O

    • Minato - August 21, 2014 at 9:36 pm #

      She has been useful for a while now

  18. The Return - August 21, 2014 at 9:46 pm #


  19. SwagAssassin ;) - August 21, 2014 at 10:29 pm #

    Where is Yamato? :(

    • Samuelle - August 21, 2014 at 10:41 pm #

      Who knows, I forgot we saw him in a panel like how many months ago

      • jonas namikaze - August 21, 2014 at 10:57 pm #

        The last time we saw him he was beimg controlled by that Zetsu that could merge with people.

      • Samuelle - August 21, 2014 at 11:06 pm #

        The spiral one? I can’t b bothered to go looking ^_^

      • jonas namikaze - August 21, 2014 at 11:07 pm #

        Yeah the spiral one :)

    • Minato - August 21, 2014 at 11:08 pm #

      Yamato has been absorb by the Genesis Tree Jutsu…. this occurred after he was controlled by spiral zetsu

    • Doflamingo - August 21, 2014 at 11:25 pm #

      He’s waiting for the real enemy. Orochimaru.

  20. jonas namikaze - August 21, 2014 at 11:25 pm #

    I’m back kinda and I wanna explain something.
    – First of all I wasn’t even going to come back to any manga forums ever again because 1. I’m mostly depressed 2. I always talk about stupid shit that’s not good 3. I ruin the fun for others with my bad mood 4. I never discuss manga, so I figured it would be better for everyone if I just left, but I had a conversation with Kara a few weeks ago and he made me realize things I didn’t myself he made me realize the error of my ways and I’m really thankfulll for that :)with all that being said after I have thought about things in some time I decided to give this forum a last shot so I’m back with a better personality I have changed for the better

    • Minato - August 21, 2014 at 11:28 pm #

      Jonas you sound like Saskue, I guess you wanna be Hokage… I mean Admin now. LOL

      • jonas namikaze - August 21, 2014 at 11:48 pm #

        Lol being a leader has never been my style I’d rather be the under ground king xD

      • Titus - August 21, 2014 at 11:50 pm #

        Stop thinking so badly about yourself. You’re a cool person and contribute good discussions.

        We’re all glad you’re back.

      • Minato - August 21, 2014 at 11:56 pm #

        I’m fairly new here but I’ve enjoyed the discussion with Titus, Trafalgar Law and Sakande. Keep up the respectful discussions guys

      • jonas namikaze - August 22, 2014 at 1:58 pm #

        Thanks, Titus :) And btw what happened when we skyped? My screen just froze out of nowhere andn I could not restart my pc before the batteries were dead.

      • Titus - August 22, 2014 at 8:30 pm #

        Not sure

      • jonas namikaze - August 23, 2014 at 5:18 pm #

        We should soon do it again :)

      • jonas namikaze - August 23, 2014 at 5:23 pm #


      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 8:37 pm #

        Yup yup. No doubt

    • Uchiha Shisui The Heart And Soul Of MS - August 22, 2014 at 1:10 am #

      jonas, its always nice to have you here. just remmeber to look at the positives and not negatives :D

    • Sakanade - August 22, 2014 at 12:22 pm #

      If you feel bad just bully people on MS (like most of us do), you will feel better. Or just go to OP section and laugh at ‘logic’.

  21. burndyworld - August 22, 2014 at 12:21 am #


  22. KarakuraNinja - August 22, 2014 at 12:52 am #

    I caused quite a commotion on the internet these past few days. I went up to a Naruto hater and tried out a little experiment by criticising HxH for its lack of direction and plot and having asspull/short term storytelling and not having long term storytelling (as I noticed a lot of Naruto haters are Hunter tards) and hell broke loose with all these people bashing Naruto and overglorifying Togashi over and over to an extreme level. Going as far as calling it shit and HxH the best series ever. They went as far as calling me a hater and personally insulting me since they couldn’t handle criticism over their favourite series but it is ok for them to utterly shit on Naruto.

    And now I brought myself a whole ton of haters haha. This is why the Naruto online community is the most retarded (too many haters and pessimists who stir up unnecessary hate over a series and author). The people on mangaspoiler are the people I have gotten along with the most online, I also get along in Naruto (or anime/manga) discussions with so many people in real life. Just on the internet I meet some crazy apeshit idiots lol

    • Uchiha Shisui The Heart And Soul Of MS - August 22, 2014 at 1:07 am #

      hey kara (if you are the original) you curse way too often these days compared to before

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 11:48 am #

        I suppose I may have. Naruto haters are so stupid that their existence is beginning to piss me and others off. They are irrational and have a warped enough hatred of the series that they tard off to other stuff and hype it up and shit on Naruto. Someone in their right mind would be so extreme.

        The Naruto online community in just a disgrace.

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 11:50 am #

        and they are desperatly forcing comparisons between Togashi and Kishimoto.

        I found out though that Kishimoto actually came up with scarlet eyes first in his pilot Karakuri (thought Togashi did). This will be my next trump card against the Huntertards lol

    • Gildarts - August 22, 2014 at 10:16 am #

      People on the internet are like that because they can hide behind the computer, at least that’s what they think. I don’t really care about them.. I imagine these people as fat guys with long hair, glasses, neckbeards, with a One Piece shirt, in their mid 30’s.. they type all that while sitting with coke and pop corn in their bedrooms at their parents’ house.

  23. KarakuraNinja - August 22, 2014 at 12:54 am #

    Anyone saw that new episode?

    Damn, I enjoy the anime a lot these days. Haters gonna hate can go fuck themselves, this episode was entertaining and one of my favourite parts of the ten tails arc with the rookies doing their stuff.

    • KarakuraNinja - August 22, 2014 at 12:55 am #

      although I still think Sakura getting that power up is an asspull their for convenience to redeem her character. It felt really forced in and didn’t make too much sense when thinking back in the Naruto timeline.

      • KarakuraNinja - August 22, 2014 at 12:55 am #

        *there not their

      • Minato - August 22, 2014 at 12:58 am #

        The timeline made sense bro. 3 years

      • Minato - August 22, 2014 at 12:58 am #

        The timeline made sense bro. 3 years

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 11:51 am #

        You have to elaborate beyond that to convince me.

      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 12:02 pm #

        She had been building the chakra for the technique for 3 years, is what he was saying.

        Couldn’t have been an ‘asspull’ because it had been referenced more than once before she actually awakened it,

    • Gildarts - August 22, 2014 at 10:17 am #

      I forgot, I’m watching it now.

    • Sakanade - August 22, 2014 at 10:48 am #

      What puzzles me is why Naruto anime sucks while a newly released anime Tokyou Ghoul is better quality.

      • sage of the sex paths - August 22, 2014 at 12:52 pm #

        tv tokyo give it to new animators after pain arc

      • sage of the sex paths - August 22, 2014 at 12:53 pm #

        asking why they did that is beyond me but new animators probably were cheaper than the old ones

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 11:53 am #

        They usually take bigger risks when starting a new anime, so I think they try to draw people in with nicer looking animation. When it becomes a popular flagship, then quality is no longer as big a selling point.

    • Gildarts - August 22, 2014 at 10:53 am #

      I liked the episode although not Sakura’s flashbacks and the other teams’ attempt to keep up with Naruto and Sasuke is just sad. I think Sakura’s power up actually makes sense although I can’t remember how much chakra she managed to store. As I’ve said before I don’t like Obito as an enemy so this part is less enjoyable to me but the battle’s animation might make up for that.

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 11:54 am #

        It is just bizarre how she happens to awaken it right when Sasuke arrives and have that epic team 7 moment. Couldn’t she have used it sooner for summoning Katsuya, maybe when Neji died…

        I think it was a last moment attempt to make Sakura relevant.

      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 12:00 pm #

        She had been saying for a while that the chakra she had been building up for years was almost ready to complete the technique.

        Even if she had awoken it when Neji was impaled, I doubt it would’ve done much for his condition. Was already too severe of a wound.

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 1:19 pm #

        and what about all the fodder that died?

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 1:20 pm #

        and what do you mean that she has been saying it for a while? Did I miss something?

      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 1:46 pm #

        Think I’m wrong on that one, actually. My bads.

  24. jonas namikaze - August 22, 2014 at 7:08 pm #

    Here’s my prediction of what will happen.
    – Naruto and Sasuke will fail to seal Kaguya because Hagoromo didn’t give all the details about how to seal her because he’s the main villian he’s just using Naruto/Sasuke and the kages to get rid of her, so he can start his ultimate master plan and try to recreate the fruit and eat it and become the strongest being in the story, but the man that Kaguya is afraid of is Hamura. He betrayed Hagoromo after they sealed her hence the reason why he didn’t mention much of him

  25. Trafalgar Law - August 22, 2014 at 8:05 pm #

    Kara thanks hunter x has so many issues
    why did gon lose his shit over kite yet people nag about obito going crazy over rin , gon just met kite for a few days and was ready to throw away his life , completely change his character

    mereum is a decent bad guy, but he actually didnt do much he was an interesting character but in reality a very ineffectual villian, ton of potential but didnt do anything with it in the end
    worst is the idiots who get mad when they killed mereum who felt it was justified it was very justified meruem was a threat to humanity , yeah he changed in the end way too late
    or those who feel locking up alluka is wrong , id have killed alluka hes way to dangerous and a mystery
    then the changing arc villains,
    naruto has way better
    the terrible manga pacing of the ant arc, unnecessary characters
    the thing is when a series is mainstream it gets a ton of haters , and when a smaller but relatively much more unknown anime gains a fanbase they tend to gloss over its flaws , even tho in many ways naruto is better than hunter x
    greed island was pretty meh
    the voting of the new chairman arc was way toooooo long
    theres jst way to much dialogue in hunter x
    just cause a show has a lot of sudden deaths ( ala attack on titan albeit aot hs way more meaningless and non impactful deaths) doesnt mean the series is the greatest thing to happen naruto deaths always have a lesson and a lasting effect on the storyline
    i like hunter x but that and aot are way too overrated
    IMO among the more mainstream Fullmetal alchemist the best and the greeatest rated flawless execution

    • Titus - August 22, 2014 at 8:28 pm #


      • Trafalgar Law - August 22, 2014 at 9:13 pm #

        you disagree??? sorry i am a terible phone typer and always forget to proff read

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 12:31 pm #

        Titus, what does ‘Wow’ mean…?

        You are about on the mark. This is basically a mentality with these Huntertards, the Huntertards are generally Narutohaters at the same time. They shit on a popular series that didn’t meet their designer preference and take something shonen and less popular and hype it up while shitting on Naruto. Even though Togashi’s art most the way has sucked, so that already only leaves Togashi’s writing prowess to be impressive.

        I had no doubt before reading HxH that Togashi was a top tier writer, maybe the best writer I will ever find in this genre. How wrong I was because this series lacks plot and direction and just tells stories in almost standalone arcs that lose a lot of relevance upon ending. HxH looks more like a shonen series on the bandwagon to make money, either that or Togashi comes up with all these awesome ideas all the time and wants to make a story about it but then throws the Chimera Ants and whatever out of the window. He uses the same Hunter X Hunter universe since that is already established in fan base, even though Chimera Ants could have been its own series and it would have been better if it was because I think it being part of Hunter X Hunter pulled it down.

        If Chimera Ants was its own series, I would actually love it, it would also have given Togashi more writing power which doesn’t involve discarding Mereum for the sake of saving the flagship Hunterverse. The Chimera Ants concept was an amazing idea, just that it was brought about the wrong way.

        Hunter is a series that will continue for as long as it is popular, it has no signs of progression in plot. Only Togashi’s age can end this series like with Detective Conan or Jojo’s. Although Jojo was never so popular and was still going, I think Araki’s motivations might be more unique for continuing Jojo.

        Naruto and Bleach are also somewhat culprits of this, some speculation suggests after soul society the series should have went into the quincy arc. Pacing in Bleach is slow but it is excused because it tied to Kubo’s style in art and his emphasis on fights.

        Kishimoto is probably worse in this regard, the first half of Shippuden was slow and the villains Diedera, Hidan and Kakuzu were one dimensional and didn’t feel worth the many chapters they got compared to the rest of the Akatsuki.

        People say Obito’s battle is being dragged out to milk the final fight, I don’t think so in that case. Obito was just unmasked, so I think Kishimoto wanted to stall Obito’s panel time, while also making the final fight of a long series more impactful. Not saying he was the best, because after Neji’s death it was mainly just power ups here and there rather than portraying more darkness in war. I would have liked more death as well (but its shonen of course) and the battle against Obito fell to pieces because the way they defeated him could have been done ages ago if Naruto wasn’t so dumb at the time (Naruto’s lowest IQ at the Obito fight but smart every other time).

        Kaguya and maybe Madara may have been milking though due to the negativity around Obito from the bitchy readers. Shuiesha may have advocated Kishimoto into this, I think Kishimoto was pushing for Obito hard especially since he was the plot but the ending of Naruto wasn’t looking good when readers didn’t understand the complexity of Obito and interact with his character.

        Kaguya was just brought up so late in the series with no foreshadowing until Madara told Hashirama. Although this doesn’t annoy me anywhere near as much as introducing Cell and Buu into DBZ or throwing in random villains unrelated to the plot. Which makes this way better than HxH.

        Take Fairy Tail, another manga that is looking like a long flagship. At least Fairy Tail villains are capable of foreshadowing the main plot, which is way better than what DBZ ever did. DBZ just threw out standalone villains to extend the series, DBZ was a series that could just end when it wanted while Naruto and Bleach were not as they have a lot of things in the main plot to address. Even HxH could just end when it wants, the ending at the way things are going would be stale. You can call Gon and Killua/Alluka splitting at World Tree before Gon talks to Ging an ending to the series. When Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood ended, it felt like a long quest to overthrow a government had come to an end, it was a more satisfying closure. Even Rave Master, that had a long quest about fighting Dark Card (forgot their name, but think that was what it was called). Those were amazing shonen endings and made better because of how the plot was focused on a particular group of related villains.

      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 1:06 pm #

        Preferring one series over another is perfectly fine and all, but his arguments were terrible… That he has the audacity to call others who disagree with him idiots even with his overall lack of comprehension and ignorance on the matter is just, “wow”… Couldn’t really bring myself to respond to his post with anything but just that… Didn’t want to pursue an actual discussion with him… Off that post of his alone, he came off as the type with a copy pasted opinion… No offense to him as a person..

        Onto your post, while I disagree with damn near everything you said and even find a lot of it hypocritical and biased, it seems a lot more fleshed out and genuine than others, and is a more respectable and less annoying because of that…

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 1:18 pm #

        How were his arguments terrible? This is about the Huntertards that trash on Naruto so much to a ridiculous degree to make ‘their’ series sound better and overhype it.

        Yeah preferring a series is fine and all, we are just pointing out the extremities of what the herd of hipsters say. The arguments I have come across were very bad and reak of ‘HEY I AM A NARUTO HATER!! COPYING TOGASHI WORK AND STORY ABOUT GAY BOY CHASING ANOTHER BOY’. Almost all of them were pretty bad arguments made to shit on Naruto (as in proper shit). But I guess you would be bias against me because you herd with the haters and seem to think everyone who hates Naruto have a logical opinion rather than just becoming increasingly irrational because they got pissed off with earlier things but fail to see the many redeeming qualities. They are out to downplay the series and are too stubborn to not realise that.

        Naruto haters are like how Tobirama would explain Uchihas and their increased sensitivity to emotions. They to some degree need mental help because they stuff themselves in with a bunch of haters and go around trash talking a series all the time without ever considering dropping it if it was as bad as it was and enjoy it. They acuse anyone who defends Naruto with rational arguments a Narutard.

      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 1:37 pm #

        Well, for one, that he thinks that people didn’t like Obito simply because he was upset over Rin’s death, comparing it to how Gon was upset over Kite. That was terrible, being that the two characters actually acted completely different than each other, and that he exaggerated the lack of connection between Kite and Gon, or just didn’t know of their past.

        Then there’s the assuming again on your part…

        I don’t agree with every argument that is against Naruto. But there is plenty reason to hate the direction in which Naruto has been going. There’s been a clear lack of quality in the series for a while. Don’t really think I’m biased against you, either. If anything I’d be biased for you because of how long I’ve known you and read Naruto. But ya, the bias for Naruto in your posts right now is really obvious.

        I really doubt people are actually out there with some mission to downplay Naruto…

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 2:17 pm #

        If you think people aren’t out there to downplay Naruto, then you appear to be very ignorant of the sort of discussions that take place or haven’t experienced them yourself. After talking to many people, I have found a lot of bullshit among haters. It is very exaggerated. Unless you see it for yourself I can’t really open your eyes to it.

        There is a difference between constructive criticism and hating, you probably think I am referring to the ones that have a brain cell and don’t like the series as much. Although the Obito haters that decided to distort everything to make Obito sound like the worst villain ever are blinded by rage from the start since Obito was unveiled as Tobi, I noticed these links just as much as I noticed the people who overhyped HxH are Narutohaters that use the series as fodder to desperately hype up another shonen. HxH is a simple series that just makes up a story in the short term and hardly ties up anything in the long run. Not much happened in 350 chapters in this story, and it is dialogue heavy too… A lot of shonen accomplish more than that at this point. Like Rave Master would have ended in that time span with way more content packed into it. It is fine to love Hunter X Hunter, but I just don’t understand the tard mentality and spite from those extremists towards Naruto. Their arguments are usually invalid too.

        Also I don’t understand too much what you mean by direction in the series, do you mean the story and villains? How they aren’t just completely asspulled and irrelevant to the main plot like DBZ or HxH are? Or do you mean the expansion in the lore of chakra and how we the readers are not as certain about the rules of chakra?

        Naruto’s criticisms used to make more sense around the war arc, then when we entered Obito it has just been bitching left and right about designer preferences and calling things ‘flaws’ when they aren’t ‘flaws’ or people jumping the gun when they don’t understand something right away and making reactions of ‘THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT, FUCK YOU KISHIMOTO’ right after they read a chapter on a forum post instead of moving those frozen brain cells of theirs and thinking up theories or explanations like they do any other series. Take Madara’s susanoo (which wasn’t complained about as much because people love Madara), people said he needed the eyes to do that. There is an assumption the eyes do everything, not the chakra in the brain that turned the colour of their eyes. Instead of throwing a hissy fit and thinking they know the wrong logic, they don’t recall Tobirama mentioning that it is to do with the chakra. Which then takes us to Kakashi getting the sharinghan in his eyes as a result of gaining Obito’s chakra. It isn’t the eyes that are inheritently OP as people assume but the chakra. Even the ten tails chakra was what made Uchihas have these powers, so if that could happen, couldn’t non Uchihas become Uchihas through similar means like through Obito. But nah, people gotta hate and bash right away and what happens when people get angry, they become blind and arrogant towards naysayers. Engulfed in anger they lose their rational mind and true critique of the series.

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 2:27 pm #

        Funny I mentioned it is fine to love HxH but the Huntertards forbid people from loving Naruto, but not from reading it. Makes me lose my faith in the Naruto community at times with that logic. Hate what you read ^^

        And because I have been criticising HxH too much recently I need to remind people I still like the series but it isn’t special to me. I just find stuff cool like Gon and Killua trying to auction things off and the concept of the Chimera Ants race. I love the main characters despite most characters that are thrown in being irrelevant (funny how these same people complain about characters being irrelevant in Naruto even though they are more relevant than virtually every Hunter Character).

        I need to say this because I don’t want to reduce myself to the level of the at first rational Naruto critics that turned somewhat into haters after over criticising such as CodeProvider and now being incapable of providing sane reviews. It is too unhealthy to spend so much time telling people the flaws of HxH as it can have a psychological effect that leads you into irrationally hating the series and losing the ability to think open mindedly.

      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 3:07 pm #

        Hunter X Hunter as a series is way more intelligent than Naruto and is better at maintaining it’s plot. One of the things I felt you were very hypocritical about in your initial post was your complaining about people hating Naruto over a matter of designer preference when you hate HxH for the very same reason. That, or it’s just angst over it’s fans bashing Naruto. Probably a bit of both, but either way, a plot heavy series like HxH clearly wouldn’t appeal to someone like you who is evidently more into action packed stories. HxH fans compare it to Naruto because of the similarities, and hate Naruto because it clearly doesn’t worry about plot anymore.

        Direction as in story, yes. Villains are pretty ass pulled. Obito should’ve died back then. How he survived was bull. Unless you can explain how he awakened a mangekyo ability while unconscious(molding chakra in itself shouldn’t be possible while unconscious, let alone using a technique that shouldn’t have been in his ability to use at that point), and managed to slip through the rocks. Or how he survived at all with the left side of his body crushed. Should’ve died within seconds. Then there’s obviously Kaguya.

        Not the expansion in itself, just that there’s been no explanation to it, and that it contradicts pre determined in series laws.

        One other thing I don’t really understand about your argument is why you think enemies can’t appear unless they’re directly related to the main protagonist or his/her goals. I feel a world that completely revolves around a single person would be way less reasonable. Everything Gon had done up to the chimera arc was to find his father, searching in a world with near infinite possibilities. Gon stumbles upon a Kite, a person who can help him with that search, but he happens to be involved in shit of his own. Don’t see how that’s ass pulled or irrelevant. Especially when Togashi didn’t discard the idea of the chimera ants, and is still using them even after the arc focused on them is completed.

        Nor do I understand why it’s wrong for random villains to pop up in DBZ, considering it’s story from the beginning has been set up in an entire universe with various different aliens and people in it… And DBZ’s plot has also always been to protect the earth and/or universe.

        Ass pulls are things that happen with no explanation or previous implication of such, if you didn’t know…

        By that logic anybody should be able to utilize sharingan techniques with actual knowledge of how to use them…

        It really doesn’t make sense, Kara. There’s a reason behind the eye transplants that have been going on throughout the series. And Orochimaru’s whole body swap thing. Simply absorbing the chakra would’ve been a much simpler, cleaner process. In fact, it’s been done before. Sasuke had his chakra drained during the chum in exams, but the person he was fighting wasn’t able to use his ability…

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 4:51 pm #

        You think Obito came out of nowhere? Then you must ignore almost every post I made about Obito.

        I guess Tobi managing to retrieve Diedera’s arm from a dimension Kakashi’s eye sends things to doesn’t stop Tobi’s identity from being out of the blue.

        Series that just churn out completely new storylines each arc are the type that you never know when will end. When there is no sign of plot progression, it just looks like a series there for the sake of making money with a flagship universe. It lacks a tale. No direction.

        So you are defending the idea about DBZ having a universe set up for aliens and stuff, but you are calling Naruto villains who are tied to the ninja folklore and Akatsuki asspulls… now who is the hypocrite?

        Your arguments are pretty bad for most of that post. You seem like the stubborn type that would never get it through their head that the hate towards Naruto is exaggerated since you already see it yourself as having flaws. I guess you think it is ok that people go as far as bashing and saying ‘FUCK KISHIMOTO’ but still read the manga anyway for the sake of bashing.

        A lot of people fyi prefer short anime in general because they have a plot and don’t like what DBZ did. People want a sense of progression and not ‘we are gonna milk this series because it is popular’.

        A series with random arcs just slapped next to each other have little impact to a reader. Naruto and Bleach hyped up Madara and Aizen for the longest time through its main plot which allowed the series to have impact. HxH due to its short term writing and use of villains is a weaker series during its story arcs. Mereum is the most hyped up because Chimera Ants took over half the series. When a plot revolves around its main thing like what a story would then it has a heightened impact on the reader.

        Colouring a world is a cheap excuse, any series can do that but they don’t drag themselves out purely for that, although world building is how shonens make their money. Having a loose and open world just means you can churn out and dump ideas into it for decades and keep the popular flagship running.

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 5:00 pm #

        Ok, which candidates for Tobi would make more sense Titus if Obito was such an asspull that didn’t make sense when his body was crushed?

      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 5:21 pm #

        Never said that…

        Not sure what this second point has to do with anything…


      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 5:32 pm #

        Most if not all series are like that to an extent. Doesn’t mean the story has no direction.

        Not me? Like I said the idea of aliens in DBZ and it’s setting being pretty much infinite has been around since the beginning. Naruto however was not set up this way.

        Designer preference, blah blah blah… Don’t really care what type of length people prefer their stories to be. We weren’t really talking about that. Not to mention Naruto’s story is almost as long as DBZ’s now…

        Ironic considering all the hate Naruto and Bleach receive respectively. That, and how much praise HxH receives.

        A wider world allows for more possibilities. Which is why most series with that type of world can go on for longer without many holes.

        Not sure why you’re still stuck on the idea that a series is only long because of it’s popularity…

      • Titus - August 23, 2014 at 5:39 pm #

        It didn’t make sense that he survived being crushed, not that he was crushed.

        But I felt Obito should have literally been ‘nobody’. Something like a creation, similar to the Zetsu’s. Maybe with some of Madara’s own cells along with Hashirama’s. Being what made him so powerful and different from the other Zetsu’s. Sharingan could’ve been gained from a random nameless Uchiha that had potential and whatnot.

        Think this would’ve been better than Tobi being anybody else. Can’t really think of an already shown character that would’ve made for a perfect Tobi fit.

      • KarakuraNinja - August 24, 2014 at 12:41 am #

        That would have been interesting. I actually at one point thought Tobi would be no one and left to people for debate beyond the series ending. But Obito being Tobi still works since he was a character that could directly antagonise Naruto and Kakashi and be relatable to Sasuke. Minato’s pupil, Kakashi’s combrade, Sasuke’s relative and Naruto’s father’s student. It works.

        Well I am glad you didn’t say Kagami or Izuna. But I guess we have to be realistic, Obito was set to be Tobi. Kishimoto has been trying to throw us off from thinking that while at the same time leaving subtle foreshadowing that people wouldn’t as easily catch onto beside the Tobi=Obito anagram thing which you would get laughed at for even mentioning lol

      • Titus - August 24, 2014 at 12:53 am #

        In that sense, I guess it works. Just, his being alive at all is one of the biggest problems people had with Obito being Tobi, given there is no reasonable explanation for his being alive that could be given. The explanation Kishi gave just made it worse.

    • Leptor - August 22, 2014 at 9:36 pm #

      I agree with:

      -The Chimera Ant Arc being bad.

      -Hunter x Hunter and Attack On Titan, although great, are a little overrated. However, I would say FMA is just as overrated, if not more so. At least, IMO.

      However, I disagree that Hunter x Hunter having a lot of content in it’s chapters is a bad thing. It allows for better pacing in general, and gives us more to look forward to every chapter.

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 5:07 pm #

        I think heavy dialogue depends really.

        Although as a writer of weekly JUMP, I think heavy dialogue is advised against. It can get boring to put too much in. I think relevance is more important, if it regards important things in a main plot then dialogue isn’t as bad. Even to cover mysteries.

        I understand why Togashi does it though (but this is only the chapters after Chimera Ants since I watched then read). His series introduces things that are intellectually stimulating which is one of the best things about the series. Unlike DBZ which is childish level, HxH is a more intelligent version of DBZ since it brings in detective/mystery sort of elements.

    • Ashura - August 22, 2014 at 11:55 pm #


      If u watched the original hunterxhunter you would know that gon met kaito in the first ep. He saved gon from getting attacked by gunta’s dad…. Not only that, he was the one who influenced gon about being a hunter after he told him the truth about his Ging.

      • KarakuraNinja - August 23, 2014 at 11:58 am #

        wait what? They pulled a FMA Brotherhood and censored early parts. Damn…