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Fairy Tail 「フェアリーテイル ネタバレ」 441 Spoilers

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  1. Kai Titus Jodye *** - July 6, 2015 at 6:04 am #

    Fairy Tail is out

    http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/443

    • Nidai Kitetsu - July 6, 2015 at 6:21 am #

      damn beat me by a second

    • Nidai Kitetsu - July 6, 2015 at 6:35 am #

      that actually wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be, Natsu not back down suggests he thinks he could take her, which is good. curious about Natsu’s arm now, why did he grab it.

      • Gurusei - July 6, 2015 at 6:59 am #

        Dragon scales on Natsu’s arms?

      • Nidai Kitetsu - July 6, 2015 at 10:17 am #

        the reason the dragons were inside them for so many years was to prevent dragonification, Igneel said that they would be fine so I don’t think Natsu’s arm would have scales.

      • Kai Titus Jodye *** - July 6, 2015 at 1:54 pm #

        There was that dragonification page with Natsu half transformed a few chapters ago. But yeah, I don’t think that’s it.. It seemed a given that Hiro would go somewhere wit the bandages, but I’m glad he’s finally doing something with it. Maybe Zeref partially opened the book or something.

      • Kai Titus Jodye *** - July 6, 2015 at 2:25 pm #

        Unlikely, but I’ll be upset if it’s nothing more than an injury given to him by someone powerful.

    • persona - July 6, 2015 at 6:45 am #

      A good chapter for me.
      A funny echi scene for the first half of the chapter. And they will find laxus n co soon.
      A good show of power by Marin.

  2. LogicoftheVI - July 6, 2015 at 2:34 pm #

    This was a really good chapter. The little ecchi bath scene was entertainingly funny. Never expected to find Laxus as part of Blue Pegasus. I really was not expecting Brandish to kill Marin and with such ease too…smh Fairy tail got 12 more of these beasts to deal with!!! WTF! Damn…this arc is shaping up to be really good.

  3. Kai Titus Jodye *** - July 6, 2015 at 6:05 pm #

    Thinking Brandish’s magic could be ‘Arc of Time’, or a variant of it

    • LogicoftheVI - July 6, 2015 at 7:28 pm #

      That makes a lot of sense. She moved the island through time to change it….hmm you may be on to something.

      • Amerikkka - July 10, 2015 at 2:29 am #

        Never mind. Turns out Brandish actually just shrunk the island.

  4. Leptor - July 6, 2015 at 6:52 pm #

    Good chapter.

    There isn’t much progression in the chapter, but Brandish’s characterization so far is good. I think she’s somewhat unique for a significant Fairy Tail antagonist and hilarious. It’s also nice to get a better picture on how powerful Makarov is. To me, Makarov has always seemed to be one of the most powerful characters in the series, with the way characters like Erza and Jura have reacted towards him. He defeated Jose, a Wizard Saint level character, with ease without even using close to all of his abilities. I think Makarov received unfair flack due to his loss to Hades, but I thought he was hindered in that fight by his old age and emotional state over fighting someone who was like a father figure to him. There was also confusion over the Wizard Saint ranks, but I didn’t think Makarov was included since he wasn’t a Wizard Saint at the time and I think that has become clear at this point. Still, I wasn’t entirely certain that Makarov is as powerful as I thought he was, as Mashima’s power levels at times seem inconsistent and it had been a while since Makarov had been highlighted. This chapter seems to confirm that Makarov is one of the most powerful characters in the series, though, as Gray wonders if Brandish may even be more powerful than Makarov. In other words, Gray isn’t certain that Brandish is more powerful than Makarov despite arguably being the most powerful character he has come across so far.

    This chapter does a great job at hyping Alvarez. Often times I wonder how Fairy Tail is going to defeat an antagonist group on their own, and they do sometimes end up doing so. This time, though, I really don’t see how they can defeat Alvarez alone. At best they, combined, may be able to give the main members of Alvarez a run for their money. Even then there are still the thousands of subordinates of the main members of Alvarez. It does seem the Wizard Saints will help, though, and possibly other guilds as well. Still, the protagonists are going to need a lot of firepower here.

    I give this chapter a 5.8/10 (rounding to 6/10).

    • Kai Titus Jodye *** - July 6, 2015 at 7:52 pm #

      Was a mistranslation.. Mangapanda had it right. They were talking about Gildarts. We were already made well aware of Makarov’s limits, with more than just the battle with Purehito.. He’s really not that powerful.

      • Leptor - July 7, 2015 at 6:27 pm #

        ???

        MP (what makes you say it’s automatically correct?) says “The old man”. Every other translation I’ve seen states Gramps and the like.

        Makarov has only “lost” to Hades so far, and again it was under specific circumstances. So I’m not sure what else makes it “clear” that he’s not one of the most powerful characters in the series.

      • Titus - July 7, 2015 at 7:07 pm #

        Because every other site gets their translation from mangastream, and mangastream like you, assumed ‘old man’ was Makarov and translated it as ‘gramps..

        Makarov’s loss to Purehito wasn’t circumstantial… There was nothing in that fight holding him back.. He had already lost before his illness kicked in..

        Other things that made his power in contrast to others as clear as day would be his rank in the Saints, his fighting evenly against Jose, his awestruck reactions to the strength of characters whose limits have already themselves been made evidently much weaker than what Natsu has demonstrated recently, actual feats and battles where he performed worse than characters you’re trying to put him above, etc.

        Actual feats, statements, and such put Makarov no stronger than Gildarts as we’ve last seen him, and Natsu one-shotted a person who fought toe to toe with the level of Gildarts’ strength Makarov likes to use as a reference bar.. Gray and Natsu wouldn’t hold that much reverence to a characters power who’ve they long since surpassed..

      • Leptor - July 8, 2015 at 7:31 pm #

        1. MS isn’t translating old man from MP. It’s reading the raws and then coming up with it’s own translation, and when you consider Patapon is one of the newer translators, it certainly doesn’t hurt the credibility. So MS isn’t assuming anything here as far as we know.

        2. You’re not assuming old man means Gildarts any less than one would assume that it means Makarov. The difference here is that Makarov is significantly older and unlike Gildarts is old regardless of how one defines old.

        3. The CR official translation is out:

        http://i.imgur.com/JMepvi5.jpg

        Most translations I’ve seen, including the official CR translation, say Makarov. MP’s says old man, but that fits Makarov even more than it fits Gildarts.

        As far as your points on Makarov’s level of power goes:

        4. Except Hades being infinitely powered by his ship and the hindrance emotional attachment presents.

        5. Makarov’s rank amongst the Wizard Saints hasn’t been stated, and in fact we now know that Makarov isn’t included amongst them.

        6. Makarov owned Jose without even using close to all of his abilities. That’s one Wizard Saint Makarov is far, far, far, far, far more powerful than. Some time after that Jura, another Wizard Saint, stated he was nothing compared to Makarov.

        7. Makarov being impressed by other characters’ level of power =/= him automatically being weaker than them. He wasn’t explicitly comparing them to himself. It also doesn’t help that Mashima is known for hyping characters earlier in an Arc to benefit fights later in the Arc, i.e making Rogue and Sting seem like a huge deal to hype up Natsu vs. Rogue and Sting, only for Natsu to defeat them with relative ease. Jura was one of Laxus’ main opponents for that Arc, so it would fit Mashima’s standard writing to hype up Jura before his fight with Laxus. Also, Gildarts had not yet been dethroned as the strongest non-Master member of the guild at the time, so as far as we know he was still more powerful than Laxus at the time. Laxus, who defeated Jura while still having a decent amount of energy left.

        8. If you exclude the part where Gildarts’ magic was temporarily taken away, I wouldn’t say the fight between him and Bluenote was nearly as even as you’re making it out to be. I do agree that Natsu, at this point, is more powerful than Gildarts. I wouldn’t say he’s far above his league, though. Notably above it, maybe, but not far above it. He’s possibly even surpassed Makarov at this point. Long surpassed, though? I wouldn’t say so, especially given the most recent chapter (unless most translations- including the official CR translation- are somehow proven wrong).

      • Titus - July 8, 2015 at 7:50 pm #

        1. No idea how you interpreted what I said that way…

        I said they assumed ‘Old Man’ was Makarov, not that they re-worded mangapanda’s translation..

        2. Gildarts was more commonly referred to as Old Man.. Not gramps..

        3. How do you think 3 different translations came up with 3 different names for the same person? No one word in Japanese has those 3 different meanings.. They assumed it was one person based on a nickname that can be associated to more than one individual.. It’s something you’d need the raws for, but everything considered Gray was most likely referring to Gildarts.. I’ve known mangastream and other translations to take more liberties on translations than mangapanda..

        4. Except he resolved himself to protect Fairy Tail regardless of who he was fighting against from the go. Nothing suggesting he held back. And Purehito being powered by the ship is an irrelevant point, when there are still people who fought more impressively against him…

        5. Wrong again… We know that from the Revival Arc that Makarov was still included as one of the Saints even after the 7 years, and that Jura is ranked higher than him..

        6. They fought evenly.. Makarov won because he used Fairy Law. A technique that could’ve defeated Jose in one shot when used in the hands of anybody whose mastered it, regardless of how powerful their magic is…

        7. It means that his power is not far off from theirs.. His reactions went beyond his merely being impressed by their growth.. He was awestruck by how powerful they were..

        Also, Laxus didn’t have much power left at all.. It was emphasized how none of them were in any condition to fight after their respective battles..

        8. Natsu one-shotted Bluenote with a basic technique.. Gildarts traded blows with Bluenote consistently even before losing his magic.. The difference is huge..

      • Leptor - July 9, 2015 at 10:33 pm #

        1. You said MS assumed “old man” meant “Gramps”, which requires you to either assume that the correct translation is “old man” or to assume that they translated it based on MP’s translation.

        2. In an official translation, how many times are Gildarts and Makarov each referred to as old man?

        3. This requires you to assume what word they based it off of. Also, I posted the official CR translation in my previous post in this discussion. CR is a website with officially licensed Manga chapters released. Generally neither of those two sites are the most accurate, but considering Patapon was recently added to MS’ translation staff and MP was made fun of for it’s awful translating this week and that MS’ translation matches up with the official CR translation, I’m significantly more inclined to say it’s Makarov. Even if we went with the less accurate translation, I would need proof that old man refers to the much younger character who is debatably not even old than the much older character. However, I’m going with the more accurate translation either way.

        4. Makarov resolved to use Lumen Histoire until he didn’t. Makarov was caught off guard when Hades revealed that he’s Purehito, which allowed Hades to counter Fairy Law. He had also thrown Makarov to the ground before Makarov even started asking if that was Hades. They had also used Jupiter on Makarov prior to that. Makarov proceeded to say that he doesn’t want to fight Hades. Makarov yelled that he won’t let him touch the guild out of emotion. Makarov was still being emotional at the end of their tussle, so I don’t actually agree that he fully resolved to fight Hades, but even if I did he resolved to use Lumen Histoire until he didn’t.

        5. Revival Arc? As in the current Arc? If so, when? We were just informed that Makarov isn’t part of the Wizard Saints since the Wizard Saints are the Magic Council and Makarov isn’t on the Magic Council. Also, for that matter, Warrod is ranked higher than Jura despite Jura being more powerful than him.

        6. Makarov and Jose barely fought prior to Makarov using Fairy Law. Fairy Law is part of Makarov’s power. Makarov barely uses any of his techniques and yet easily defeats Jose.

        7. In what way does it automatically mean he’s not far more powerful than them? Makarov states Jose’s power is impressive- despite being far, far, far, far, far more powerful than him. Makarov is easily impressed and it had been years since he had last seen Jura. Laxus seemed to think he was capable of defeating Sting even while being battle worn, and he was walking around relatively okay.

        8. We barely see them fight outside of Gildarts having his magic temporarily stolen, and other than a brief even clash Gildarts is in control as far as what we see on panel goes. Despite being battle worn from Bluenote landing blows on him while his magic was temporariy stolen, he overpowered Bluenote and defeated him relatively quickly at that point. Also, what you’re saying here implies that Natsu and Gray are far above Gildarts’ level. Yet they’re amazed at Brandish being more powerful than him in your mind. Even though the evidence is significantly in favor of them talking about Makarov, even if they were talking about Gildarts, it would imply they aren’t far more powerful than Gildarts.

      • Amerikkka - July 10, 2015 at 12:18 am #

        1. Yeah, what I’m not getting was why you thought the latter assumption made more sense…

        2. Looking back, you’ll see Makarov is most often called “Gramps”, or “Master”. Never really “old man”.

        3. Nah, CR is the translation you deemed as most accurate in this occasion because it didn’t conflict with your own reasoning… Usually what you tend to do.. In all reality, two credible translators themselves who most would see as no less than any other translator saw fit to address whoever Gray was talking about without an honorific like “Master”. These two translations that, likely for a reason, are undoubtably more renown that the one you’re using..

        Objectively, one would usually go with majority rule in this situation, and the 2 translations over your one saw fit to address whoever with a name referencing his age.. Completely different from an honorific like “Master”..

        4. Purehito explained why it wasn’t a good idea to use ‘Fairy Law’ in that situation… It was clearly a matter of reason, not emotion..

        You act as if Jupiter, or his being sent to the island had any effect on how well he could perform…

        And stop leaving out information…

        For one, Makarov said that he doesn’t “want” to fight him. He never said that he “wouldn’t”. Makarov also said “You are not a part of my family anymore”, and “I will not give you my guild”. The guy was clearly resolved to defy him.. Purehito even mentioned this himself..

        5. Revival arc as in the last. We’ve moved on..

        It was said they rebuilt the magic council with the Wizard Saints, and wished to get a hold of Makarov for that reason, but couldn’t reach him..

        Warrod’s already been confirmed as the exception to that ranking system as far as fighting prowess is concerned.. His magical power is still certainly higher.. He just doesn’t have much fighting magic..

        6. Stop saying “easily defeated” when he used Fairy Law.. Like I just said, that technique in the hands of anybody can defeat any person no matter the difference in their strength.. Makarov and Jose were actually stated to be equals in strength before that altercation..

        http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-47-page-15.html

        7. Makarov really isn’t much stronger than Jose… Why do you refuse to acknowledge what kind of spell Fairy Law really is?

        8. We saw them fight enough to see at what level they stood against each other… Fact of the matter is, no matter what you say about it, Gildarts still at one point during that fight went blow for blow against Blue Note..

        Yeah, far above Gildarts’ level before the 1 year time skip.. We know nobodies seen Makarov since.. The possibility that Gray had met a stronger Gildarts makes most sense, since Natsu met him, and he’s actually been traveling around Fiore..

        All you really have as “evidence” is your one translation and refuse to accept anything other than it..

      • Amerikkka - July 10, 2015 at 12:19 am #

        “The spell’s strength was so great that it defeated Jose Porla, a Wizard Saint, in a single blow.”

        http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Fairy_Law

        Notice how it said the “spell’s” strength, and not Makarov’s..?

    • Leptor - July 11, 2015 at 12:22 am #

      1. The former is your argument. Your argument isn’t evidence of itself.

      2. That doesn’t really answer my question, though. I can just say if you look back you’ll see Makarov called old man from time to time, but without a reference of how often (and for Gildarts as well) it doesn’t really say much.

      3. ??? This isn’t the least bit true in really any way, shape, or form. You’re more than welcome to cite any and all references of me ever choosing a less accurate translation. I’ve always used the most accurate ones available. I didn’t deem CR to be the most trustworthy one. The website releases subscription based licensed Manga chapters. It’s an official translation. It’s not just a random free illegal website with a random translator. Also, I’m not sure what you mean when you say I only have one translation. At the beginning of this discussion I explicitly stated most translations I’ve seen state/imply Makarov, and have specifically referenced multiple translations. In fact I’ve only seen you reference one, and it’s one that just as reasonably, if not more so implies Makarov than Gildarts. Considering that the most accurate translations say Makarov, that only adds to the likelihood that the translation you’re referencing is referring to Makarov. I’m not going to completely ignore any further proof that may be uncovered, but so far almost everything (and every important piece of proof/evidence) points towards Gray referring to Makarov.

      4. Makarov could have easily just released Fairy Law, but stopped in his tracks when he got caught off guard by Hades’ identity and sat there while Hades gave a speech and conjured up Grimoire Law. That also led to him being thrown around. Okay, and Makarov expressing that he doesn’t want to fight Hades is an emotional expression.

      5. Mest says that per Makarov’s plan and with Warrod’s help, they formed a Council made up of the Ten Wizard Saints (and they do specifically say Ten Wizard Saints). Lucy then says that she remembers hearing that the Magic Council (the Ten Wizard Saints) have become concerned about Makarov’s whereabouts. She doesn’t say anything about them wanting to contact Makarov to become a member of the Magic Council as a current Wizard Saint. In fact, her reason for bringing it up is because it means the Magic Council isn’t aware of Makarov’s plans in regards to Alvarez. Also, while looking this up, I very interestingly found MangaPanda’s translation referring to Makarov as “The Old Man” (the same reference you’re using for “The Old Man” meaning Gildarts in the most recent Chapter). Warrod is confirmed to not be consistent with the idea that the higher the rank, the more powerful they are, he’s not confirmed to be an exception to the way the rankinng works. He’s not confirmed to be an exception to a rule, he’s confirmed to be a contradiction to your interpretation of the rule.

      6. This also responds to points 7 and 8 of your response. Fairy Law is part of Makarov’s power. The strength of one of his abilities contributes to his own strength. Basically everything you’re saying here about Fairy Law here is all the more reason I rank Makarov as highly as I do.

      6. Okay, but if Gildarts briefly clashes with Bluenote technique for technique and overwhelms him the rest of the right despite Bluenote having significant help, it doesn’t do much to convince me that Bluenote is around or close to Gildarts’ league. As far as only having one piece of evidence goes, it’s basically the exact opposite. You’ve only referenced one translation, and as stated above it’s actually a translation consistent with one that calls Makarov “The Old Man”. I’ve referenced multiple translations, including an official one.

    • Leptor - July 11, 2015 at 12:34 am #

      Also, I just noticed that MP also has Erza saying they can’t challenge Alvarez in a fight since it’s an opponent that even Makarov himself can’t defeat. In other words, she’s saying “If Makarov can’t defeat them, we (the Guild) would have a really hard time doing so”.

    • Leptor - July 11, 2015 at 12:39 am #

      Also, Gray is the one who calls Makarov “The Old Man” in Chapter 440.

      • Amerikkka - July 11, 2015 at 2:20 am #

        2. It’s a waste of time. Even if I were to you’d likely still deny it till’ the grave, and ask for a reference other than myself… The cycle wouldn’t end, and as it is now, I’m pretty much already done.. So I’m basically telling you to find it yourself..

        3. Official manga translations are only that because they’re legal, not because they’re more credible. A reference would be in your argument right here.. Notice how the translations you’re opposing in this argument here are now just “random free illegal website with a random translator, but should you choose to reference them in another argument they’re then the most accurate and credible? I could put through the effort to find you a mirror to look into and dig trough ancient topics where you’ve either done the same you’re doing now or have been called out for the same thing by another person, but why, when you’ll likely deny it as you did then or can probably recall it yourself.. But this is really besides the point, I’m not trying to make this into a personal argument…

        Not sure how you twisted it and can only somehow remember one reference from me, especially when you responded to a point where I for a 3rd or 4th time referenced both of those translations.. And looking back through this conversation, I can’t see where at any point you referenced any translation other than CR, or even used the word translation in plural(until this point) when trying to back your argument..

        4. Even if you say that, it’s clearly not the case.. Activating Fairy Law requires a movement. One in which Purehito would’ve reacted to had Makarov actually gone through with it..

        Yeah, it’s an emotional expression, but not one that implies he held back during the fight… An attachment in itself clearly doesn’t imply that either would show restraint against the other..

        5. I’d kinda understand confusion in what discussion I was talking about since I honestly didn’t actually make that entirely clear, but I have no idea why you’re bringing up that conversation when it wasn’t even a part of the revival arc that I referenced…

        I’m talking about the discussion they had with Lamia Scale when they tried to find Wendy. It went like so:

        Yuka: Without the council, there would be no way to manage the guilds, right? So a year ago, the ten saints got together and reformed the council.”
        Natsu: “The Saint Mages as the council… That sounds pretty damn powerful…”
        Happy: “So then Master must be there too!”

        Yup. “So then Master must be there too!”. Meaning, Makarov was still a part of the council.

        And to clear any further doubt if there is any, they go on to say…

        Lucy: “So you would think, but his whereabouts have been concealed”
        Natsu: “So then he ran away?”

        Not at all… Ooba’s statement confirmed the Saints are ranked in order of strength. Jura’s reaction to the Saints above him confirm that they are more powerful than himself, and that he wouldn’t be able to restrain them with his power. Warrod’s the only confirmed exception.

        6. Except we were talking about his actual magical power compared to others… Since the statement stemmed from what you thought was Gray’s reference of Makarov’s strength in comparison to Brandish’s.. Not the power of his technique..

        7. That there was a fight at all shows that Bluenote was close enough to Gildarts’ strength to be considered at his level…

      • Amerikkka - July 11, 2015 at 2:23 am #

        Does that even sound right to you? Just Team Natsu took on an enemy Makarov couldn’t defeat before.. Use reason to figure out what she really meant by that..

    • Leptor - July 11, 2015 at 7:24 pm #

      1. Okay, so you don’t have a reference, and I actually do have one of Gray calling Makarov “The Old Man” in chapter 440 in the same translation you are using.

      2. Official translations are professionally done. I’ve always chosen official translations over translations from random free illegal websites with random translators when available. As I said, feel free to find any and all times where I’ve done the contrary, and based on what you’re saying here it doesn’t appear you know of any. It’s not a matter of remembering it. I’m asking you to post a link to every time I’ve done that. I’ll post any time you’ve mentioned any references and any time I’ve mentioned any references:

      You:

      “Mangapanda had it right.”

      This is the only specific translation you’ve referenced for this point.

      Me:

      “So MS isn’t assuming anything here as far as we know.”

      “The CR official translation is out:

      Most translations I’ve seen, including the official CR translation, say Makarov. MP’s says old man, but that fits Makarov even more than it fits Gildarts.”

      I mention multiple translations here, including two specific ones.

      3. Makarov had already conjured up Fairy Law. All he had left to do was release it. Makarov being emotional itself is the hindrance, because he clearly doesn’t want to fight someone who is like a father to him, and when you’re fighting someone you love it’s significantly more difficult than fighting others.

      4. The issue with what you’re saying here is that Yuka explicitly states that the Ten Wizard Saints got together and formed the Magic Council, meaning at least two times that it’s been said that the Ten Wizard Saints are part of the Magic Council. There are only Ten Wizard Saints, so unless you’re proposing there are Eleven Wizard Saints, what Happy (not the most informed character) thinks is irrelevant. Also, the solid possibility that he simply thought Makarov would have been reinstated by that point exists since they had already been established as being back from Tenrou Island for more than a year by that point. Characters have reacted that way towards Warrod as well, even though he’s not actually that powerful by comparison. Also, Jura only started reacting that way when the Wizard Saints were about to start fighting. Warrod also didn’t really react to Wolfheim, who by your reasoning should be far more powerful than him.

      5. ??? The power of his techniques contribute to his overall power. Magical Power is what represents their power in general. Also, if I separated Fairy Law from his Magical Power, that would really only enhance my point since it would mean Gray was excluding Fairy Law when making that statement. So Makarov without any of his most powerful techniques would be comparable to Brandish barring any proof on the contrary that may be discovered later on. I’m not sure what you mean when you say Natsu, Gray, Erza, and Wendy fought an opponent Makarov couldn’t defeat. They didn’t fight Brandish, and Erza has stated multiple times that they need to try to avoid fighting Alvarez, someone that they hold in higher regard than themselves because “even Makarov can’t defeat them”. Considering just one out of many members of Alvarez had them worried, I would say that speaks volumes of Makarov.

      6. ??? Natsu has had fights with multiple characters he’s far more powerful than. I don’t see why simply having a fight means the characters fighting are around or close to the same level.

      • Amerikkka - July 11, 2015 at 8:06 pm #

        1. http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-166-page-9.html
        http://www.mangapanda.com/135-44553-9/fairy-tail/chapter-166.html

        2. “I’m asking you to post a link to every time I’ve done that. I’ll post any time you’ve mentioned any references and any time I’ve mentioned any references:”

        Do you know how tedious and ridiculous that request is? You’re asking me to dig through the site for references beyond this conversation.. It’s not that I’m making up stuff and don’t know of any occasion, it’s that I’m not going to waste the time..

        In that one point that I acknowledged, but even then it wasn’t a reference of your own, it was a response to a translation I referenced myself… Throughout the conversation, you’ve only brought up CR on your own..

        3. If Makarov had released it, Purehito would’ve released one of his own, hence the hesitation… It really doesn’t go any beyond that..

        Makarov said the guy was no longer a part of his family, so you can’t use familial connection like “father figure” as an argument.. He also said that he wouldn’t let him have his guild, meaning that he would fight Purehito with his all if it came to that, and he did. You’re still not acknowledging either of those points… Like I said, all you have is the connection to assume the emotional restraint, and connection in itself doesn’t imply Makarov held back. In fact, everything else from Makarov’s words to his actions show that he went at Purehito with his all to protect his family, Fairy Tail..

        4. Ten Wizard Saints is a title, no different from 7 Schichubaki.. No matter how many members there are presently they will always be referred to as either the 10 Saints or the 7 Shichibukai.. Look back anywhere in either series to confirm this yourself.. You’re also still picking and choosing what points you acknowledge.. I figured you’d pull something like that even though there’s no reason why Happy wouldn’t be knowledgeable of Makarov’s position as a Saint, which is why I referenced more than just him.. Lucy, who is a character that is plenty informed, confirmed that Happy’s assumption was a reasonable one..

        Literally no character has reacted that way to Warrod.. The guy’s never even flexed his muscle, for there to be a situation where characters could react that way to him..

        “Also, Jura only started reacting that way when the Wizard Saints were about to start fighting.”

        Exactly.. Not understanding why you thought that was supposed to be some kind of rebuttal.. Jura reacted to Wolfheim’s magic power..

        Warrod’s a character that’s more affiliated to Wolfheim that Jura is, which is why he didn’t react.. He knew there was nothing to worry about..

        5. Yeah, we were talking about magical power, not who would come out on top in a fight… Of course Gray didn’t consider Fairy Law, magic power was the only focus of his comparison… Hence him saying “it” might be even greater.. Hell, magical power was the only thing they were talking about the entire chapter in regards to her strength… I really have no idea how you could’ve possibly figured otherwise…

        Team Natsu fought Hades knowing that Hades had defeated Makarov… Natsu even tried to fight Brandish in this very chapter..

        6. Natsu’s never lasted long in a fight against someone who is as much more powerful than him as you think Gildarts is from Bluenote unless they were holding back…

      • Amerikkka - July 12, 2015 at 12:23 am #

        Warrod’s magical power also is probably higher than Jura’s..

        http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-344-page-19.html

        Even if he can’t fight better, his magical power still seems consistent with the ranking system.. His strength’s just lie elsewhere.. And hell, maybe he can fight, and all of what he said was just a complete show of modesty..

      • Amerikkka - July 12, 2015 at 2:31 am #

        Jura talking to Makarov about the traditional Saint gathering..

        http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-256-page-17.html

    • Leptor - July 13, 2015 at 12:17 am #

      1. Thanks for the reference, but it’s still only one. I’ve already posted a recent one including by the same translator that translates Gray saying “The Old Man” in the most recent chapter.

      2. I’ve always been consistent on taking the most reliable translation available. Official translations > MH translations > broken down translations from forum posters > translations from Manga websites such as MS and MP (with the more reliable translations depending on the translators at the time). There may have been times where I’ve referenced translations from MS or MP when there were no better ones available (MH doesn’t have every chapter translated and I don’t have access to every official translation at all times) at the time, but I’ve never taken a less reliable translation over a more reliable one. So yeah, when you claim I have done that a lot, I expect you to name all the instances I’ve done so and if you can’t then that’s fine but I need more than your word. I referenced MS’ translation when I said that it says Gramps.

      3. Makarov already had his ready to release before Hades had even conjured up Grimoire Law. When you’re being emotional, “you’re not my dad anymore” isn’t much of a concrete statement. Makarov says he doesn’t want to fight him (because Hades is like a father to him) after he says he isn’t part of his family anymore. Makarov also has an emotional expression on his face when he says he won’t let Hades have his Guild. Also, almost right after their fight started, Makarov’s old age started hindering him in his fight against Hades (I had forgotten that it was only around 10 pages after their fight started). Makarov wasn’t really in that bad of shape up to that point.

      4. Wizard Saints is the title. Ten describes how many of them there are. Oka Shichibukai means Seven Shichibukai, not Shichibukai on it’s own. Natsu and Happy have been out of touch for over a year and almost no one knows what Makarov has been up to. It wouldn’t be that strange for any character, let alone a character like Happy, to be misinformed on the status of a character they’ve been out of touch with for over a year. As for what Jura says, he doesn’t say anything about the Wizard Saints, but even if he had he could be telling him that since Makarov has been out of touch on the Wizard Saints for years and/or wants him to show up to reclaim his spot amongst the Wizard Saints. Erza was sweating when Warrod asked them to lower their voices. In fact, Erza basically based her entire opinion of him just off of his rank. If you think Warrod may just be modest, then I can simply say that maybe Makarov is modest. My point here is that there’s a difference between being worried just at one character’s level of power and being worried about the idea of multiple Wizard Saints fighting inside a small space. Jura didn’t show much of a reaction to the initial presence of Wolfheim. It was Wolfheim starting a fight between him and potentially multiple other Wizard Saints that had Jura worried.

      5. I’m not really sure where you’re getting the idea that a character’s power and the power of their techniques are separate. So there’s really not much to say here just on your word that they are for some reason two different things. Knowing that Hades defeated Makarov and knowing that he’s more powerful than Makarov are two different things. As for Brandish, Natsu is impulsive, and the reaction of the main members of Fairy Tail in that scene make it clear that she’s at least around their level. Yet they’re impressed that she’s more powerful than Makarov. Plus, I’m talking about Alvarez in general. Erza says they shouldn’t fight Alvarez (Brandish only being part of Alvarez) because “not even Makarov can defeat them”. Erza bases that opinion off of Makarov not being able to defeat them. For Erza to be impressed that what is by far the most powerful organization in the series so far can defeat Makarov says a lot about Makarov, and the fact that she says they shouldn’t fight someone Makarov can’t defeat also says a lot about Makarov.

      6. I’m referring to Natsu vs. Max.

  5. Thomas Fernando - July 7, 2015 at 1:55 am #

    what a damn great chapter..

  6. God of the side - July 7, 2015 at 7:10 pm #

    This chapter had everything in it:
    -new op people,
    -sexy girls,
    -a good up comming arc teaser,
    -Noxus being alive/not retired

  7. Laxus - July 8, 2015 at 1:45 pm #

    You know fairy tail is a lot about bound. Laxus has the best bound with makarov.
    Laxus & Gildarts will have a big entrance to balance the fight.
    +Laxus will be the next Master as he wanted.

  8. Titus - July 8, 2015 at 6:32 pm #

    今週号の感想ありがとう!来週は驚きの展開になります。お楽しみに!
    Thank you impressions of this week issue! It will be the deployment of surprise next week. Look forward to!

  9. Amerikkka - July 9, 2015 at 1:28 am #

    yo

  10. Amerikkka - July 11, 2015 at 11:25 am #

    FAIRY TAIL フェアリーテイル 444話 ネタバレ

    『皇帝スプリガン』

    ————————————–

    島民たちは近くの漁船団に
    全員拾われた

    ナツたちも一息ついていると、
    突如海底神殿(潜水艦)にワープ

    そこはメストが諜報員に
    指示されて飛んだ場所

    中にいたのはソラノ

    ソラノは既にマカロフの居場所も
    掴んでいるという

    ————————————–

    その頃マカロフは…
    帝国首都・ヴィスタリオンで
    客人として扱われていた

    マカロフはいかにもな独裁者を
    想像していたので意外に思う

    皇帝は武闘派連中を
    なだめようとしているという

    そんな皇帝が1年ぶりに
    首都に帰還したとの騒ぎを聞き

    マカロフも通りを見ると…
    その姿は…ゼレフ!!

    煽り
    「大いなる【闇】の台頭…
     それを統べるは、人類最強の敵
     黒魔導士(ゼレフ)!!」

    Fairy Tail Chapter 444 – Emperor Spriggan
    – The islanders are picked up by fishing boats
    – The fairies warp underwater to a submarine, which is located at the sea bed
    – On the submarine is Mest’s spy, Sorano (Pretty sure thats Angel from Oracion Seis/ Crime Sorciere), who has information on Makarov’s Location
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Meanwhile…
    – Makarov is in the capital, he was treated as a guest
    – Makarov is now the emperor and is fighting/training school students, when he heard commotion and returned to the capital
    – Makarov sees a figure on the street, who is the cause of the commotion
    – The person on the street is Zeref
    “The rise of Great Darkness, ruling them is humanity’s strongest enemy, the dark mage Zeref!”

    _____________

    • persona - July 11, 2015 at 11:55 am #

      I know zeref will come into play! Another hype from hiro.

    • Nidai Kitetsu - July 11, 2015 at 12:05 pm #

      what in the fuck

      • Amerikkka - July 11, 2015 at 12:28 pm #

        It’s the part with Makarov that’s weird. I’ll try and wait for the actual release before judging it, but I really don’t know how I’d feel about that development if it ended up true.

      • Nidai Kitetsu - July 11, 2015 at 1:21 pm #

        the guy just keeps throwing curve balls it’s weird

      • Amerikkka - July 11, 2015 at 2:39 pm #

        Makes what Brandish said last chapter confusing too. If Makarov was like a guest, or the emperor even, I don’t see how members of Fairy Tail entering Alvarez would compromise his position and possibly his life.

        Then, why Zeref? Why now? Why in Alvarez?

      • Amerikkka - July 11, 2015 at 8:32 pm #

        A bit clearer spoilers

        Chapter 444 Emperor Spriggan

        People from Caracal Island are all saved by fishermen nearby

        Just when Natsu and co. can relax a bit from the previous event, they all suddenly being teleported to an undersea temple (a submarine)

        It’s where Mest teleporting to after getting instruction from the spy. The one waiting them there, is Sorano.

        Already know where Makarov is.

        He’s at the capital of Arbaleth Empire, Vie Stallion. And he’s being treated as a guest/visitor there.

        Makarov is surprise to see that the emperor is not a dictator as he thought.

        And the emperor is now out for stopping a group of militant.

        After hearing an emperor like that is returning to the capital after the one-year outing, Makarov goes look to the street, and he sees…

        “Rise of the great “darkness”, the leader is human’s biggest enemy, the Black Wizard (Zeref)”

        Continue at
        Chapter 445 Ugly Fairy

  11. Amerikkka - July 13, 2015 at 7:29 am #

    new fairy tail:

    http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/444

    • Nidai Kitetsu - July 13, 2015 at 7:38 am #

      oh shit, Zeref is the emperor of Alvarez

      • Amerikkka - July 13, 2015 at 7:43 am #

        and seems like he’s about to mess makarov up

      • persona - July 13, 2015 at 7:45 am #

        Who’s the Goddess that old man talking about in his card? Mavis?

      • Amerikkka - July 13, 2015 at 7:47 am #

        I’m guessing.

        Probably a card game created by Zeref.

        I wonder where he got the name Spriggan, though. His old priest?

  12. Thomas Fernando - July 14, 2015 at 8:05 am #

    thanks for the spoiler guys