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One Piece 889 Spoiler「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第889話

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One Piece 889 Spoiler: The last Chapter end with Luffy is down due to Katakuri’s just one attack right before he releases Rhino Schneider second time.…!!! So what happens next..? find out story on One Piece 888 Spoiler Discussion 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第889話 at Mangaspoiler.com. if you would like to discuss the Spoiler or prediction, please leave a comment below.

ONE PIECE 889 SPOILER SUMMARIES

Source: 2ch
Trans: remembz on reddit

ONEPIECE 889 Chapter Title: Unknown Mama

An angry Daifuku calls a genie and it attacks Carrot.
Carrot quickly dodges it.
On the contrary, fleets that get caught in the genie attack are half destroyed.
According to Jinbe, the Mink tribe get their wildness awaken by looking at full moon and become violent.
But if they can’t control it well, they’ll fight overnight and exhaust themselves.
Brooke hears it, runs on the sea by himself heading towards Daifuku’s fleets to help Carrott.
It’s been 8 hours since Big Mom’s outburst, something abnormal has happened to her body.
Big Mom gets thinner little by little.
Following Big Mom’s order, Napoleon calls back Prometheus and Zeus.
Sanji and Bege fight like cats and dogs on Bege’s ship.
Bege insists that since the cake is for Big Mom they should put poison and bombs in it.
Sanji doesn’t like his own cooking getting intervened so he let Bege taste the cream on the cake.
Being wrapped in happiness, Bege faints.
Daifuku’s fleets become unsteerable due to the battle between the genie and Carrot.
Fighting under Sulong form too long, .
Brooke asks her how to get back to her original form her response is covering her eyes.
Zeus and Prometheus joins Big Mom.
Prometheus stays on Big Mom’s hair.
Holding the sword Napoleon on one hand, hair-burning Big Mom jumps to Zeus and raids the Sunny.
Everybody is stunned.
“Be ready to discard the ship!” shouts Jinbe.

Chapter End

1,644 Responses to “One Piece 889 Spoiler「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第889話”

  1. Bob - January 15, 2018 at 6:16 pm #

    luffy was able to block katakuri’s attack by seeing the same future as him.

    do you guys think that’s how sanji managed to dodge the bean?

    • Kouhei - January 15, 2018 at 6:57 pm #

      I think It was bean’s speed vs Sanji’s speed, and Sanji is faster.

      • Bob - January 15, 2018 at 7:04 pm #

        yes but katakuri was surprised that he dodged it, in other words he didn’t see that future

        • goldroger - January 15, 2018 at 11:04 pm #

          it’s different.luffy also dodges katakuri attacks tons times.sanji coo not even half luffy’s

        • Goldroger - January 15, 2018 at 11:09 pm #

          Imho katakuri’s FS ability works thru him seing a fuure that doesnt involve his action,but then he decides to change that by interferering with his own action.however that future with his action can’t be seen by him(maybe because his time limit of fs or bcause it’s the nature of the ability)

        • Bob - January 15, 2018 at 11:17 pm #

          well sanji’s observation haki was the best of the monster trio which is another reason luffy getting this future-telling ability is so disappointing when that was like the one aspect that sanji actually excelled in, but who knows maybe sanji already has that ability

          katakuri can see a future with his own ability which is how he knows where luffy is going to dodge

        • goldroger - January 15, 2018 at 11:34 pm #

          i dont think he has the best.spesialize not make him best.luffy was sensing caribou before zoro and sanji even realise it.dodging a jelly bean is a feat but dodging tons attack that make katakuri itself not just suprised but frustated is on whole different level.on this arc luffy proves that he has better coo.again haki only bloom on extreme battle and only luffy who always get extreme battle.

        • goldroger - January 15, 2018 at 11:39 pm #

          same like oda tell ppl zoro spesialize in coa but in the end luffy who has best coa even his basic coa on latest chapter can compete against katakuri’s busou byogou (which is next lvel of busou koka)eventho few hours earlier his hands gey swollen when hit it.but clearly his coa boosting thru extreme battle

        • Bob - January 16, 2018 at 12:21 am #

          luffy, zoro, and sanji sensed Caribou at all around the same time but I think the sbs was just Oda’s way of showing who was best at each type of Haki, which is why Sanji dodged a bean and Luffy got stopped by katakuri when he tried to break mother caramel’s picture in the same room

          his haki has been improving throughout this fight but I think his specialty will always be conqueror’s haki

          comparing him getting surprised from someone dodging one attack to frustrated from someone dodging a bunch isn’t really fair when he only actually threw one attack at sanji to begin with, luffy has managed to avoid some but for the most part he’s been getting stomped

        • Tipdrill - January 16, 2018 at 1:01 am #

          I think it is just plot.

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 1:54 am #

          like i said earlier,katakuri can seen future only when he isnt involved in it,but when he involved,he cant see thru it,that’s why future seen is best for counter attack,not for making initial attack/first move.after all we’ve seen him suprised many times by luffy.sanji just dodge 1 movements,luffy try to constantly dodge combos.that’s no comparison at all.luffy get stomped mostly bcause like i said,future seen is perfect for counter attack.

          i think you need to reread m8 the chapter,luffy sense it first then ask if they were sense what he senses.then they realize it after luffy said it.

          https://cdn.opbforums.com/manga/One%20Piece/650/9.png

          as i said.specialize not make them best.again manga proved that only luffy who capable step on advanced lvel of coa and coo.this guy doesnt even need to specialized it bcause tell him to balance it.so by the nature of it.if he improved his coc,he have to improve his coa and coo too.he doesnt even need to train it anymore since situation(extreme fights) force his 3 colors of armaments.in fact we’ve seen not only his haki that improve but his raw strength and endurance too..

          we have to accept it like or not.right know luffy’s standing on his own league amongs the monster trio.bcause his experienced many extreme fights and he is balancing all of his haki pretty well.along with his df,he left the two away.

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 2:03 am #

          because rayleigh tell him to balance it*

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 2:16 am #

          luffy master at sense presence.just like rayleigh can tell exactly the amount of monster in russukaina exactly.while zoro and sanji failed to sense yeti brothers and fall for their ambush.

          https://cdn.opbforums.com/manga/One%20Piece/650/9.png

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 2:18 am #

          sorry i mean
          http://www.t5forums.com/forum/media/anime-and-manga/145-one-piece-discussion-thread/page267

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 2:21 am #

          https://cdn.opbforums.com/manga/One Piece/666/10.png

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 2:25 am #

          sorry bob my phone fckd up

          luffy sense yeti bros

          https://cdn.opbforums.com/manga/One%20Piece/666/10.png

        • Bob - January 16, 2018 at 2:38 am #

          yes you are right luffy did sense it first, as far as punk hazard goes they saw big footsteps and heard an explosion so luffy actively tried to seek them out. zoro and sanji were bickering so as you know their observation haki wasn’t active since it requires focus.

          currently there’s no direct comparison between luffy’s and sanji’s since fishman island could be explained by any number of ways but I use the contrast between zoro and sanji on punk hazard. zoro only feels “some strange aura” but sanji is able to pinpoint it as a woman’s tears falling, so his observation haki is clearly on a different level from zoro’s.

          I know it’s my opinion and not fact, but I think that oda’s statement on what they specialized in also is an indicator of who is the best at which makes sense since sanji fights more with speed than power.

          in my opinion it’s like this:

          conqueror’s haki:

          luffy – 3
          zoro – 0
          sanji – 0

          armaments haki –
          zoro – 3
          luffy – 2
          sanji – 1

          observation haki –
          sanji – 3
          luffy – 2
          zoro – 1

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 3:12 am #

          yeah,i respect that.i cannot be blind to oda’s formula about who specialized in what haki.

          but we know oda sometimes changed things along time.since that equation is made from almost 4 years ago,and all we see only luffy that has extreme fight in every arc based on newest info from rayleigh that haki bloom more thru extreme fight and he tell luffy to balance those 3 colors( https://mangahi.net/read/one-piece-chapter-597/?paje=16 ) so for me luffy has same number on every aspect of 3 colors of haki.

          as ray said.ppl tend to mastering haki to cover their strengtht and weakness,just like cracker hate pain so he strengthen his coa,and kata has great pride and coolness so he develop his coo to avoid get ashamed)luffy has unmatched will bcose he dreaming being most free man in the world aka pirateking so he “automatically” specialize in coc.but in the extreme fight,we can see with bare eyes that his coa and coo that he really improved as the result.since coc cant be trained,it just improved thru the personality of the prson.

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 3:29 am #

          zoro and sanji also see the footprint but they are too dumbass to realize

          http://www.mngdoom.com/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/669/4

        • Bob - January 16, 2018 at 3:36 am #

          yeh I think they were being dumbasses arguing with each other. I guess rayleigh is telling luffy that often times people tend to specialize in one of the three. so I guess luffy trained mostly in the technique of conqueror’s haki (since the power can’t be improved except by becoming stronger overall)

          well I think the evidence is on your side here, so you are probably right, I just think that oda mentioned their specialties to note that they were the best in those areas out of the monster trio but I have no proof for that

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 3:37 am #

          zoro and sanji :
          http://www.mngdoom.com/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/669/
          luffy:
          http://www.mngdoom.com/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/666/10

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 3:42 am #

          yeah i always believe in oda’s equation but manga on luffy favor on improve his 3 colors.although as you’ve said,i still believe 3 of them specialize in what they prefer(zoro coa,luffy coc and sanji coo) but i think specialize it doesnt make luffy cannot surpasses zoro coa and sanji coo since he is the main character,their captain and ofc pk ways is harder than both of the other two way

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 3:49 am #

          ah i mess up again lol

          sanji &zoro
          http://www.mngdoom.com/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/669/3

          luffy :
          http://www.mngdoom.com/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/666/10

        • Goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 2:58 pm #

          Luffy sense it first before zoro and sanji:

          https://cdn.opbforums.com/manga/One%20Piece/650/9.png

    • GomoGomoNo - January 15, 2018 at 9:53 pm #

      I think he just sensed the attack coming.

      But honestly I’m not quite clear on what’s what anymore. Aside from how far ahead they “see”, what’s the difference between using CoO to dodge an in coming attack, and using CoO to “see the future”?

      • Persona - January 16, 2018 at 2:57 am #

        Coo to “dodge” can only be used effectively if u r fast enough to dodge. Case: boa sisters against Luffy.
        But if u can see the future, u will have a couple of seconds to adjust ur movement so the enemy won’t dodge ur attack and vice versa, even tho in reality u r lacking in speed.

      • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 3:45 am #

        based what enel showed.regular coo cannot read random movement.but future seen can see it.as long as the FS ability user not interfering it he can read it.once he interfering it,he cannot see the result/that future post he interfere.that’s what i catch from coo concept.cmiiw

  2. Kouhei - January 15, 2018 at 6:36 pm #

    I think Luffy saw the future against Mihawk, even though some people don’t agree and say it was just instinct or something.

    http://i8.mangareader.net/one-piece/561/one-piece-896877.jpg

    Mihawk’s words “unusually calm” confirms that.

    • Bob - January 15, 2018 at 7:04 pm #

      he was showing observation haki to be sure, but I think it was just normal observation haki

    • GomoGomoNo - January 15, 2018 at 9:50 pm #

      Mihawks comment doesn’t really make sense though, seeing as Luffy was panicked and on edge, definitely not calm. I think Mihawk was just surprised that Luffy didn’t go through with the attack.

    • goldroger - January 15, 2018 at 11:03 pm #

      not future just his imagination.that occurs to us all sometimes

  3. warriors_not_winning_in_2016 - January 15, 2018 at 8:20 pm #

    from the chapter 891 franpe age has been changed as oda corrected it to the 36th daugther

    https://twitter.com/Eiichiro_Staff/status/952769448112357376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.rawgit.com%2Fs9e%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fmaster%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23952769448112357376

    https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/7qhntp/oda_corrects_error_with_flambe_birth_order_now/

    • Bob - January 15, 2018 at 8:54 pm #

      her age is still the same

      • jammin' - January 15, 2018 at 9:09 pm #

        The point is that pudding is older than 15

        • Bob - January 15, 2018 at 11:18 pm #

          yes I know, someone already linked it on the previous page

    • GomoGomoNo - January 15, 2018 at 9:46 pm #

      Thanks for posting that, I’m not on Twitter.

    • Tomodachi - January 16, 2018 at 4:10 am #

      Those reddit comments are fucking annoying. People chose to drop this series because of this detail? What about when hundreds of people were killed? Why not then? What about when people were used for forced labour? Pansy ass bitches. Cherry picking on a whole other level.

      • Persona - January 16, 2018 at 4:27 am #

        Seems Reddit users r more retarded than here. Lmao

        • Tomodachi - January 16, 2018 at 4:38 am #

          Expressing outrage by typing a long ass comment on a website filled with Oda cocksuckers about an issue in a fictitious series of which the main theme is PIRACY. They’ve exceeded my expectations.

  4. jammin' - January 15, 2018 at 9:21 pm #

    @Bob You don’t have any reason or evidence to suggest he continued training either. Work gets in the way of a lot of things. Im sure you can understand as well as anyine else since you must have school, a job, or something that you need to do that takes time away from a few things you want to do. Besides, if he had continued training, whether alone or with a mentor, he should have at least demonstrated even the slightest bit of haki. Luffy uses haki which as you know tremendously increases offense and defense.

    • Bob - January 15, 2018 at 11:20 pm #

      pretty much everyone in dressrosa had haki, even kin’emon and kanjuro. anyway his job involves fighting so that’s its own type of training and given he’s a warrior of elbaf there’s no reason to believe he was shown training hard as a kid and then just stopped

  5. Savage - January 15, 2018 at 10:36 pm #

    Mangaspoiler is officially dead huh..

  6. seekmsn - January 15, 2018 at 10:42 pm #

    given jinbe will join after the arc ends, who shall be next?

    if oda follows the trend since the start of the series:

    in the east blue: 3 male, 1 female
    in the grand line: 3 male, 1 female.
    in the new world: for now, just 1 male (jinbe), and so likely at least a new female member.
    many think carrot or either pudding. I seriously doubt pudding. she’s got a pretty dark sad past, but no lost loved one, and she doesn’t really have any real fighting skills aside from her gun and even at point blank range sanji dodged easily. plus she’s a chef, the straw hats don’t need another chef.

    carrot: I’ve got nothing against her, if she joins then great. but she doesn’t really have that straw hat vibe. she has no sad past (if anything, it seemed rather normal), no lost loved one (unless pedro is dead counts), or a dream (again, unless seeing the world as a whole counts). plus they already have 1 talking animal in the crew (chopper). I see her as nothing but an ally and potential member for the grand fleet.
    granted if she joins, she would be likely the only female who is (physically) real strong with super human strength (due to being a mink) and her sulong form.

    the only female I’ve seen (past and present) who may have the biggest chance of joining later would be hancock. this is just my own opinion, but she has a tragic past, and only a part of her past was shown and I honestly think if its ever shown I think it has a lot of potential. I think she may have awakened her Haoshoku haki during her time as a slave and may have been responsible for freeing tiger at the time. her dream may want to be to abolish slavery (loss of a loved one is still debatable though but possible).

    her title of shichibukai will be revoked one day.
    I found this theory was quite interesting:
    http://www.onepiecegold.net/nakama-theory/2/

    • ~7OPofD.w0rld - January 16, 2018 at 2:32 am #

      Boa would be nice, but I’d like Bonney to join, or Perona…
      Carrot would be nice if we didn’t have Chopper…Baby5 would have been the best……..still can’t believe Oda wasted her on that gorilla. She had the looks, she was funny but not to annoying, had a sad past and a great DF ability, though in order to use the full extent of that ability she would need a partner I suppose, not that team play would be anything new in OP, but well..no use crying over spilled milk…

      • Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 7:14 am #

        Yeah Bonney would be a great addition, She’s crewless(former captain like Jinbe), she has a sizable bounty and an awesome ability. Plus she holds a grudge against BB and is a threat to the WG for some reason.

    • Big dick johnson - January 16, 2018 at 3:12 am #

      Fish men and wano ninja and then a mink

  7. Bob - January 15, 2018 at 11:21 pm #

    @gomugomuno he’s exhausted against katakuri too and the not defending thing has already been covered like 3 times lol

  8. Leptor - January 16, 2018 at 12:52 am #

    Pretty good chapter for The Tower Of God.

    It’s refreshing getting some more back story on various characters. They’re rather unique as well. They almost make Endorsi and Koon seem somewhat antagonistic. But there’s likely more to it than that as Koon observes with Endorsi’s character. The Mangaka does an amazing job of giving some more back story information while keeping parts of their back stories mysterious. It’s awesome seeing God Jahad!

    I give this chapter a 7.6/10 (rounding to 8/10).

    • Wickbert - January 16, 2018 at 2:09 am #

      Don’t be fooled, that is a fake jahad

      • asd - January 16, 2018 at 10:38 am #

        I think too that either it’s a fake Zahard or he was really a kid just like that.

  9. goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 6:11 am #

    it’s nice to see oda finally corrected the mistake about flambe number in families.just like many ppl here think.

    anyway i think The fact that Kata’s back has never touched the ground doesnt mean he hasn’t had many tough battles or face tough opponent in his lifetime.it is either he never faced opponent who overclass him in coo or he never face anyone who make him lose his composure.

    after all,he lost his composure over silly thing or shall i call it plot convenience.i bet he can fight g4 all day without even unscathed as long as he is remain calm.that’s the point of luffy getting fs ability.

    • ~7OPofD.w0rld - January 16, 2018 at 8:54 am #

      I just seriously hope Oda didn’t introduce Flambe for Luffys sake, like making Katakuri loose composure over some shit or whatever, it’s really important how this fight ends imo, and if it’s not a decisive victory for Luffy then he doesn’t even have the right to even talk about taking down a yonkou or becoming Pk

      • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 9:06 am #

        well i afraid that is the oda’s intent from the start lol.at least making kat lose composure to create an opening for luffy.that’s whe he put kata’s biggest fan there,the one who admired him so much.i think it’s either his mouth will be revealed again or luffy managed to put katakuri back to the ground that make him so ashamed to every witness and start losing his composure again.

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 9:11 am #

          if that what will happen,oda just make katakuri as stepping stone for luffy.with all his greatness get pale compare to luffy’s.it will be ironic but at least oda already hit the mark by making luffy acquired glimpse of future seen and improved all aspects of his battle skill thru this fight.

  10. Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 7:39 am #

    Luffy’s Haki

    Rayleigh mentioned back in Rusukaina that Luffy had a natural talent for haki. Someone who is naturally gifted in a skill can greatly improve at it with less effort than someone who isn’t.

    Back to Marineford, Garp said “He was born with ‘it’ as I thought”. This is clearly referring to CoC Haki since you can’t get it through training. I believe people with this haki can instinctively use CoA & CoO.

    We’ve seen an example of luffy using CoA back in Alabasta when he crashed into Smoker and Ace in that restaurant and sent them flying. Some will say it’s for comedic effect, but the mere fact that both were sent flying through multiple walls convinces me otherwise.

    He also used CoO to pick out the real mister 3 out of multiple colored clones in little garden and when asked how he knew which was was real he just replied with “Instinct”.

    Back at Marineford, when Luffy used CoC, Akainu immediately said “Seems he used it unconsciously”.

    I think what makes CoC terrifying is the fact that its user has the ability to conquer haki(CoA & CoO) itself and gain abilities of those who trained in those areas for years in a short amount of time. Which is why everyone at Marineford and now Katakuri saw him as a serious threat. Doffy back in dressrosa stressed the fact that they need to be careful of strawhat since he can used CoC.

    • ~7OPofD.w0rld - January 16, 2018 at 9:00 am #

      Ace and Smoker were simply caught of guard, it’s not like they have their abilities activated at all times, lol that scene was really funny

      • Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 9:21 am #

        I don’t think it was ever stated that you have to activate a Logia ability, otherwise they wouldn’t have been invincible pre-time skip. Other than intangibility they can transform into their natural element. So in both cases Paramecia and logia they are activated at all times.

        • ~7OPofD.w0rld - January 16, 2018 at 10:05 am #

          IMO while a bullet or a sword might might just pass through them, a massive attack can send them flying if they’re not ready 4 it, so if they want to dodge a massive attack they need to activate that natural element to escape

          And while some Paramecia like Luffy are always activated, some are not like Foxys noro-noro beam, Hancock mero-mero, Leo, Law…

        • Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 11:31 am #

          Yeah true, but also remember there are different types of paramecia. Luffy’s and Buggy’s is body modification, Cracker, Magellan, Mr. 3 produce and Foxy/Hancock project.

          For example in chopper’s case who ate the Hito Hito no Mi, he doesn’t need to transform into human form to have human reasoning and speech, that ability is activated from the get go. Then you get Baron Tamago who transforms whenever he gets defeated.

          So far all logias with the exception of Blackbeard don’t have variety in the use of their ability, like I said below ‘normal’ logia users are the element itself meaning they don’t need to activate it but take on a human form.

        • Persona - January 16, 2018 at 3:23 pm #

          Normal logia needs to be activated otherwise those df users won’t be able to hold anything. Fire will burn through everything. Ice will make other objects freeze or at least drop the temperature. Wind can’t hold anything but blow things away. So logia needs to be activated. Otherwise how would ppl do anything when they first eat the df, lmao. Sabo already showed us how he needs to activate the fire.

        • Persona - January 16, 2018 at 3:26 pm #

          Tamago’s df isn’t logia right? It’s an evolution paramecia in forms of egg/chicken.
          Hito hito no mi is different kind of zoan. Sengoku became Buddha like golden statue while Chopper’s hito no mi isn’t named as a model or anything. So… My point is Chopper became were raindeer instead of full human.

        • Bob - January 16, 2018 at 3:47 pm #

          by default the ability is activated, though it can be deactivated as caribou said he had to “hide” his devil fruit power

          the ace and smoker thing was comic relief just like nami beating up luffy on the ship. the idea that it needs to be activated so that they can hold things isn’t really true because smoker can still hold his jutte. them being able to hold and touch things is logic on par with, why do their clothes change as well, why does chopper’s hat get bigger in monster point, why doesn’t luffy rip his clothes etc. it’s an unimportant detail that’s never really addressed

          that being said, there are some characters that were born with observation haki, so I don’t think luffy had the ability or he would’ve been using it for a long time. characters showing signs of haki before formally learning it is pretty common though, even coby did

    • Oda on Hiatus - January 16, 2018 at 9:16 am #

      Logia DF doesnt activate instantaneously … that would mean that the user cant hold anything and cant even lie in bed. It is a conscience use of the imaterial ability. Luffy caught them by surprise and they didnt have time to react to that… also it was for comedic effect imo. Oda would’ve probably used a different scene to show luffy’s CoA.

      Also i think your theroy about CoC overpowering and its learning ability would be proven accurate in the arcs to come, or at least a part of it. There is more to CoC then just knocking down fodder. I said a while ago that it can also has something to do with “seeing the future”, “hearing the voice of all things”, “feeling the auro of everything around”, etc.

      • Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 9:32 am #

        They haven’t said that you’d have to have your guard up all times. I think it’s the opposite, you’d have to control your body to take on a human form. Evidence of this was when Zoro sliced Monet in half, she was so scared she couldn’t put herself together again. Same with Tashigi in smokers body, she turned into smoke without willing it.

      • Oda on Hiatus - January 16, 2018 at 9:51 am #

        YEs, you caould have a point. I think that Oda just didnt give it too much thought to thie point of view, as otherwise i thikn it would be really difficut for Logia users to control your body conciously to determine which bodypart is solid and which not… but anyhow, little is important now since anyone who can use haki can hit them.

        • Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 11:22 am #

          Yeah for sure

  11. Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 7:48 am #

    Sanji vs Katakuri’s bean bullet

    It’s clear that katakuri can’t see the future in which he intervenes or else he would’ve seen Sanji dodge his bullet. Bege hinted at this when he said, “You may see the future, but it doesn’t mean we can’t change it”.

    I think if sanji were to square of 1 v 1 against katakuri, he’d be able to predict where Katakuri would attack unlike luffy. I.e if Sanji threw a punch and Kata decided to go for his shoulder to counter the punch, Sanji could use his speed + CoO to dodge the shoulder attack. Though the same can’t be said about attacking, it’s clear that he would need to future seeing ability to know where to attack.

    • ~7OPofD.w0rld - January 16, 2018 at 9:28 am #

      I think Sanji would do even worse than Luffy against Katakuri, because his attacks only consist of kicks so they’re more limited than Luffys hence easier to predict, though as far as only dodging goes he could be around the same level as Luffys, I mean just like Luffy used to dodge at the beginning of the fight Sanji could also dodge by kicking the air (sky walk) to avoid an attack in the last moment, but of course that would have it’s limit…

    • antarus - January 16, 2018 at 10:00 am #

      oda did say sanji is the one that spe…lizes at coo

      and out of him and luffy or zoro, he dodges Attacks much more often, luffy is half tank half dodger, sanji is pretty much dodger

      • Tomodachi - January 16, 2018 at 10:39 am #

        specializes is allowed.

        • antarus - January 16, 2018 at 2:26 pm #

          oh, i keep forgeting that

        • Persona - January 16, 2018 at 3:29 pm #

          Admin banned ciali s without space ofc. Not special but since speciali st contains cia lis, it’s blocked.

      • Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 11:20 am #

        Couldn’t have said it better myself

      • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 11:28 am #

        so forever luffy cannot outclassing sanji coo?
        because last time i check it’s only luffy that acquired future seen ability and has voice of all things.

        • Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 11:48 am #

          I don’t think the VOAT is CoO related, otherwise we’d see a lot of CoO users using it. Talking/hearing Sea Kings and Zunisha is strange and unfathomable to anyone witnessing it.

          Shirahoshi is limited to hearing and talking to Sea Kings.
          Momonosuke is limited to Zunisha or any of its kind.
          Luffy like Roger hear both, even with the Poneglyphs which is why it’s called ‘All Things’.

          This could be another type of haki that’s rarer that CoC, like only 1 in a generation can awaken this ability.

          Rayleigh said his crew was impatient in learning the truth of the world. I think it’s because people like Shirahoshi and Momonosuke weren’t born then (granted Odin had the same ability, although it was never stated he could command Zunisha).

          Point Luffy’s existence is a special case, so him surpassing Zoro and Sanji in their specialty isn’t too far-fetched. He’s their captain after all. And another point, specializing doesn’t translate to being the strongest at it. It just means Zoro is better at CoA than CoO & CoC. Sanji is better at CoO than CoA & CoC.

          So if Luffy’s CoO is at a level where he can see into the future, it simply means his CoC is at a higher level than his CoO.

        • goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 12:13 pm #

          i got yr point.imho,the voice of all things somewhere lies between coc and coo.since the power can hear/understand the “voice” of creatures or even innanimate object cannot be trained and seems only the choosen one capable to use it and one coo feature is sense someone or something presence.but it is just an option beside yours view above.

          yes i totally agree with luffy is a special case and specialize in one colors not making them strongest at it.after all,luffy specialize in coc and it cannot be honed thru train,it just grows along user’s will from time to time.but coa and coo is different,they can be honed through train or extreme battle–if want it to bloomed more,and among the monster trio,luffy is the only one that has more extreme battles which each of his opponent has specialized in any colors or skill(he fought like hundred beast on russukaina,fought hody in water,doflamingo,chinjao,cracker,katakuri)so no wonder he is gain more experience in coa and coo then the other two.

        • Triple-X Drake - January 16, 2018 at 1:47 pm #

          Yeah, I guess Oda giving Luffy all these hard fights is to grow a gap between him and his two strongest crew mates like the other Yonko. I think Luffy’s overall strength and the gap between himself, Zoro and Sanji will be shown implicitly in Wano.

        • antarus - January 16, 2018 at 2:25 pm #

          sanji does need some extreme battles, like it was implied to improve haki, but focusing on one type of haki should make you better then someone focuing on all 3.

          but then again, oda seems to make luffy great with all types of haki so idk

          for sure sanji needs more then sheephead and bobbin to get his coo at ”future” thing

        • Goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 2:57 pm #

          @antarus
          You said sanji Dodges attack more often while he is not.luffy is the one who dodge more often and he has great reflexes based on their fights.right now there is sanji coo >luffy coo,since luffy already acquired future seen ability.he is leaving sanji behind.in fact even before get it,he already displayed great coo:
          You can see the quality of luffy coo and compare it to sanji :
          sanji &zoro
          http://www.mngdoom.com/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/669/3
          luffy :
          http://www.mngdoom.com/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/666/10

        • Goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 2:59 pm #

          RLuffy sense it first before zoro and sanji:
          https://cdn.opbforums.com/manga/One%20Piece/650/9.png

        • Goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 3:01 pm #

          right now there is no sanji coo >luffy coo,since luffy already acquired future seen ability*

        • antarus - January 16, 2018 at 3:16 pm #

          the concept of haki is flawed anyway.

          coo pretty much allows you to see in the future the very next attack by default

        • antarus - January 16, 2018 at 3:25 pm #

          and there is also the thing that luffy gets many more battles and much longer, maybe that’s why he looks to dodge more then sanji lol

          at the wedding sanji dodged jellybean from katakuri then multiple bullets from pudding, also back montblank cricket he dodged multiple bullets from him

        • Goldroger - January 16, 2018 at 3:41 pm #

          Luffy dodged pacifista lasers.hody’s mizu bullets.mingo,cracker,katakuri and so on.every single enemy he face he showed feat that speak volume about his coo.last time his coa so weak that hody can bypass it,few chapter ago his hands swollen by kata’s coa,but last chapter we’ve seen him match kata’s busou bogyou/strong mochi with his base coa.luffy cannot train his coc.that’s why he spend all of his time on training and his extreme battle to honed his coa and coo.manga proves that no matter what goda said about how sanji specialized in coo.oda also said 2017 is year of sanji lol

    • Bob - January 16, 2018 at 3:53 pm #

      when bege said that it wasn’t katakuri using his own attack so that doesn’t really prove he can’t interfere. katakuri has used attacks multiple times on luffy who attempted to dodge and still managed to land them, so I don’t think katakuri using the attack means he can’t predict it being dodged otherwise the ability is really no different from normal observation haki.

      voice of all things is a different ability altogether

  12. antarus - January 16, 2018 at 10:04 am #

    funny, sanji is the only guy that only uses legs in battles….yet guys like doflamingo, katakuri, luffy, sai have more convincing and damaging leg kicks then him, even if for them its more like a bonus, since they have many different types of attacks

    • Bob - January 16, 2018 at 3:56 pm #

      vergo’s kicks were also stronger lol

      • antarus - January 16, 2018 at 5:27 pm #

        don’t even remind me about that.

        he didn’t even break his legs pre ts, when his legs used to be much weaker.

        now with haki, running for 2 years he breaks his leg in the first nw 1vs1 duel.

        • Bob - January 16, 2018 at 6:48 pm #

          yeh I think he broke his leg trying to kick kuma but he had already taken a ton of damage at that point

          also I think blue gilly only fights with his legs as well, not sure if he’s stronger though

      • ~7OPofD.w0rld - January 16, 2018 at 6:18 pm #

        lol, imo that was also a mistake Oda should have never done, now it’s like every time Sanji defeats some1 stronger than Vergo it won’t be believable unless this bastard also breaks Sanjis legs

        • Bob - January 16, 2018 at 6:48 pm #

          at this rate he might never beat someone stronger than vergo

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