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One Piece 904 Spoiler「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第904話

2018 May 10
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One Piece 904 Spoiler: The last Chapter end with Luffy bounty exploded.…!!! So what happens next..? find out story on One Piece 904 Spoiler Discussion 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第904話 at Mangaspoiler.com. if you would like to discuss the Spoiler or prediction, please leave a comment below.

One Piece 904 Spoiler Summaries

Source: 5ch
Translation: Redon

Chapter title: “All commanders of Revolutionary Army appear”
Cover story: Orlumbus tells his King (Standing Kingdom) that he will retire from adventurer.

Revolutionary Army moved its headquarter to Kamabakka Kingdom after they lost Vartigo.
Many RA including Ivankov and Inazuma already gathered at Kamabakka Kingdom.
Germa doesn’t belong to WG anymore due to WG decision.
Sabo is so glad to read the newspaper about Luffy. Koala talks with Ivankov.
Dragon decides to declare war against Celestial Dragons in Reverie.
Famous 4 RA commanders appear in Lurucia Kingdom (mentioned in chapter 903) where Pinkbeard is attacking citizens.
Pinkbeard is under the umbrella of Blackbeard and has 52 million bounty.
He wants to get the Lurucia Kingdom money which is supposed to be sent to Celestial Dragons.

Name of the commanders

Morley (West Army) Giant. He appears from under the ground. His okama speech style is scary.. “Why are you staring at me? Do you love me?”
Belo Betty (East army) She calls citizens in the kingdom as “trash” since they don’t have the courage to fight pirates. Sexy character with a cigarette in her mouth. She wears sunglasses and necktie.
Lindbergh (South Army) Cat’s whisker on his face. His speech style sounds Kansai Japanese dialect, which is pretty rare in ONE PIECE.
Karasu (North Army) Karasu means crow in Japanese. Seems like Karasu is the one who was talking with Sabo in Dressrosa. Skinhead and small voice.

Belo Betty encourages the citizens to fight pirates with her DF called Kobu Kobu no mi, meaning encourage-encourage.
When she waves her RA flag, it will awake others’ potential power. Morlley calls her as “flag-bearer for freedom”
Belo “Now what are you gonna do, you trash citizens!? Fight or die!! Choose your own fate!!”

Lindbergh freezes pirates’ pistols with “Cool Shooter”. Karas let his crows to take away swords from pirates.
Citizens grab weapons (sticks?) and fight courageously.
As a result, citizens with RA commanders win the fight. Pinkbeard tells them that Blackbeard will get angry, but
actually Blackbeard is not a kind of pirates who cares about his defeated subordinates according to Belo.

Belo “Well done!! Feel free to call us! We’ll never discard the weak citizens who have the courage to fight.”

She tells citizens to receive the award from WG about Pinkbeard and gives them a contact paper about RA.

2 days are left until Reverie starts.

Final page of this chapter doesn’t say OP will be on break, but ONE PIECE is not listed in the preview page. There’s possibility that OP will be on break next week. Considering this chapter has only 15 pages, Oda might be in desperate situation for deadline..
(Information thanks to redon)

4,400 Responses to “One Piece 904 Spoiler「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第904話”

  1. Big dick johnson - May 25, 2018 at 10:34 pm #

    So based on what we saw. I think greenbull has a zoan DF he hasn’t eaten in 3 days because his Zoan St allows him to such a thing. He has one of the following

    http://www.viralnova.com/animals-dont-eat/

    • pokopikos - May 25, 2018 at 11:08 pm #

      according to this hes a crocodile zoan …check this out

    • GomoGomoNo - May 25, 2018 at 11:31 pm #

      Not 3 days, he said 3 years!

      Also those would all be pretty terrible DF’s.

      • Big dick johnson - May 26, 2018 at 5:54 am #

        What?! Gotta re read the chapter lol

  2. GomoGomoNo - May 25, 2018 at 11:26 pm #

    Decent Setup and World Building chapter.

    – …I thought Oda was saving the best cover story for last, but so far Orlumbus is easily the worst…

    – Holy hell, now that’s a freaking fortress! Capone aint got shit on that. At first I thought it was smaller, but I looked back and the original 2 page spread reveal of the old Marineford and it’s a deliberate comparison shot by Oda. Comparing the size of the identical Japanese castles that are on top of the 2 fortresses, and also comparing the size of the Marine Battleships in front, this New Marineford seems to be much bigger. Probably at least twice as big as the old one, and we can’t even see all of it just yet because of the angle. The design is much better too.

    – Fujitora and Sengoku both trolling Akainu was hilarious. And Stelly is even more annoying as an adult so Garp trolling him was also great.

    – …kind of annoyed that we didn’t really get to see Greenbull. I mean it was kind of a semi troll-reveal. He clearly seems like guy, but I’m not ready to give up just yet on Greenbull being a woman. And that’s specifically because Oda is keeping the reveal hidden and also the whole bit about him loving women seems too obvious, like a set up. And with Iva back in the spotlight and Okama’s popping up left and right …you never know… however for now he definitely seems like a man. As far as the fasting for 3 years thing, it probably has to do with his DF. I still think that he’s a Mythical Zoan: Forest Spirit, so that could work for absorbing energy into his body and not needing to eat.

    – I’m guessing that Fujitora joined up with Smoker and Tashigi on their way to Vegapunks island? I think he mentioned being friends with Smoker. I wonder if he actually kept his word at that point and didn’t enter the island because it was classified as a marine base. But regardless, I initially thought Vegapunks creation was the Pacifista’s 2.0 that Sentomaru mentioned, but I think that might be a bit much to say robots could replace the warlords, I don’t think Oda plans to make them THAT strong. Plus it seems like those were already completed where as Fujitora seems to imply that Vegapunk has just recently completed something. It’s possible Vegapunk created something that’s Ancient Weapon tier, seeing as Luffy basically already has 2. Then again maybe the P-2.0’s weren’t complete just yet and Sentomaru and his “worlds tightest lips” was just blabbering about the P-2.0’s when they were still secret.

    – So some of the Revo leaders stayed back to protect the base, I’m assuming. Ans it makes perfect sense to send 3 infiltration specialist in first. Sabo we’ve obviously already seen sneak into a kingdom in disguise, while Karasu has crow-camo, and Morley can just tunnel right through the Redline itself.

  3. GomoGomoNo - May 25, 2018 at 11:28 pm #

    …the hell? Why is my comment modded? Is there a new banned word?

  4. Wickbert - May 26, 2018 at 12:34 am #

    New green bull DF theory:

    Hito hito no mi model: mummy

    Im just gonna keep naming DFs and ill eventually hit gold.

    • Wickbert - May 26, 2018 at 1:12 am #

      Even newerer more bizzare theory:

      this is a bit of a stretch so bare with me here

      Since tiger and bull are admirals who were conscripted into joining the navy, they probably had some other kind of job that involved military service, even if they were incredibly powerful it seems unlikely that would go straight to admiral without any experience, So i imagine they were something like general’s of an individual country’s army.

      with that thought in reassessing fujitoras power, gravity would be the perfect power do with flight based enemies (perhaps his homeland is at war with a sky island) akainus lava seems like a natural enemy to an invading battalion of woodenships.

      So my theory is that akainu is anti-naval, fujitora is anti-air force and that would mean greenbull is anti-army/ground troops

  5. Bwahahaha - May 26, 2018 at 1:17 am #

    D*mn you Oda. Just a single sentence about Green Bull not eating for 3 years and the entire One Piece Fandom go gaga searching for anything that wouldn’t eat. If you are in this website, you are probably laughing like Risitas right now.

  6. Ganja - May 26, 2018 at 1:28 am #

    I wish we could have a fight between luffy and garp, gear fourth vs fist of love, luffy is strong enough to fight garp at his current level and be an even match

    • Bwahahaha - May 26, 2018 at 1:39 am #

      It would be surprising if Garp do the fist of love the moment he sees Dragon.

  7. asme - May 26, 2018 at 1:43 am #

    2 days ago morley was on lulusia island. And just by now he already arrived at mariejoa. Wtf how can its so fast. Luffy and co needs 1 day from whole cake island to cacao island.

    I hope oda pay attention to the detail like this.

    • asme - May 26, 2018 at 1:46 am #

      And dont forget morgan. He already arrived at mariejoa while escaping from totland need atleast 1-2 days

      • asme - May 26, 2018 at 1:48 am #

        So according how fast morgan arrived at mariejoa. Just by now luffy should be arrived at raftel lmao. Wano island at minimum

    • Big dick johnson - May 26, 2018 at 6:03 am #

      What if WCI is really close to majerois.
      Distance By flight- half a day

      Distwnce by ship – 1 day

  8. Bwahahaha - May 26, 2018 at 1:50 am #

    I wonder why Garp is reintroduced as Vice Admiral

    • Persona - May 26, 2018 at 6:10 am #

      Ikr

    • Triple-X Drake - May 28, 2018 at 7:24 am #

      Luffy became active in the pirating world again, I think that’s the reason.

  9. Bwahahaha - May 26, 2018 at 1:52 am #

    Luffy is actually like the readers. I think that he doesn’t know Green Bull yet. Probably the rest of the Staw Hats already know how he looks like.

  10. lucci - May 26, 2018 at 1:55 am #

    i would like to see discussions on here what might happen in reverie arc.

    at the moment i think of something like there will be a meeting,
    revolutionaries barge in, do something (what the hell can they achieve?).
    then blackbeard pirates (or some plot they´re involved in) barge in,
    mess things up for the revolutionaries and the navy takes sabo and maybe dragon in custody. then strawhat grand fleet vs navy as upcoming arc.

    • lucci - May 26, 2018 at 1:57 am #

      actually the blackbeard pirates could be interested in getting hands on shirahoshi i dunno

      • asme - May 26, 2018 at 4:26 am #

        And the most interesting part.
        Dragon and green bull to show off their power.

        Garp left shocked see his son appear on reverie

    • asme - May 26, 2018 at 4:23 am #

      1. Fujitora success to end marine shichibukai relationship. More Explanation the power boost for marine made by vega 2. We will get introduction of kings from 20 royale family tenryubito. 3. Revultion army crash the reverie to kidnap/ kill the tenryubito that appears on the reverie

  11. Bwahahaha - May 26, 2018 at 2:10 am #

    Stelly might be a fodder among fodders and a member of the most useless characters in OP but he’s got the eyes on the RA’s movement. Though he is stupid, he saw Morley, Karasu and if the change in the movement of the wind is something that Dragon did, then he felt it too. Also, Stelly asking Garp to set him up to a Celestial Dragon is a probable hint, that Luffy’s mother is a Celestial Dragon, who fall in love with Dragon, whom the CDs opposed that gave Dragon the goal to overthrow CDs.

  12. Persona - May 26, 2018 at 6:03 am #

    Ugh.. Oda just used whatever food as names. Oda can’t move on from wci.

  13. Persona - May 26, 2018 at 6:16 am #

    Greenbull >>>>>>> Big Mom

  14. antarus - May 26, 2018 at 8:30 am #

    inb4 sabo goes starlord on akainu

    sabo:” mister dragon, I don’t feel so good”

  15. Billy - May 26, 2018 at 12:46 pm #

    Greenbull >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lameass BM.

    • Billy - May 26, 2018 at 12:47 pm #

      Oops! It’s been already written by another user already.

      Guess I am not alone into this.

    • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 1:13 pm #

      wait for when he reveals his flower flower no mi fruit

      • Bob - May 26, 2018 at 4:59 pm #

        robin already has that fruit

        • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 6:33 pm #

          actual flowers

        • Waie - May 27, 2018 at 2:12 am #

          Maybe a diet diet fruit :D

  16. antarus - May 26, 2018 at 1:13 pm #

    so if green bull has a ‘plants fruit’ the isn’t Sabo his weakness?

    • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 1:24 pm #

      also sanii, also akainu, also that fire guy in big mom’s crew

      • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 1:24 pm #

        just look at sanji vs binz in movie Z

    • Billy - May 26, 2018 at 1:28 pm #

      Fonder Fonji will be Godstomped by Greenbull

      • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 1:39 pm #

        yeah cause haki and better stats, but what about fruit?

    • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 3:10 pm #

      Not necessarily Oda could easily give him power over the types of plants/trees. There are many trees that can resist fire really well Baobab, Cedar,…
      See:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupressus_sempervirens#Other_characteristics

      Some trees even require fire for continuing the species. Some species of pine don’t have the cones open up until they are heated by fire. Ryo could use that in an attack even the pine seeds fly around carried by air then rain down like haki imbued bullets. A plant DF would not have very many weaknesses in the sense of DF counters. Even Croc’s sand drying fruit, fuji’s gravity and so on wouldn’t do as well as you would expect if Ryo can control plants.

  17. Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 2:57 pm #

    So wait Luffy is still going to solo BM r-rr-right guys?

    • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 3:07 pm #

      yeah but in elbaf

      • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 3:11 pm #

        B-b-b-but people said he would beat her in WCI…

    • goldroger - May 26, 2018 at 5:09 pm #

      big mom is fodder compare to admiral.she is weak.that’s why she didnt go down,that’s why luffy and co runs from her and wg/oda award him 1.5 billion bounty for being smart (run) and that’s why we spent over 30 chapters wait for cake to save the day and that’s why wci is the only arc that luffy loses many comrades.

      • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 5:48 pm #

        umm this is sarcasm or are you serious

  18. GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 3:52 pm #

    Kind of annoyed that we didn’t really get to see Greenbull. I mean it was kind of a semi troll-reveal. He clearly seems like guy, but I’m not ready to give up just yet on Greenbull being a woman. And that’s specifically because Oda is keeping the reveal hidden and also the whole bit about him loving women seems too obvious, like a set up. And with Iva back in the spotlight and Okama’s popping up left and right …you never know… however for now he definitely seems like a man. As far as the fasting for 3 years thing, it probably has to do with his DF. I still think that he’s a Mythical Zoan: Forest Spirit, so that could work for absorbing energy into his body and not needing to eat.

    • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 3:56 pm #

      I think oda is saving his ful lreveal for when action starts and he 1 shots Morley or something

      • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 3:57 pm #

        same way the reveals of aokiji, kizaru, fujitora shows their fruit powers

        • GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 4:05 pm #

          Yeah, I agree, it’s very likely Oda’s waiting to reveal Greenbull along with a DF powers display, but you never know with Oda, he could hit us with a double whammy…

        • Persona - May 26, 2018 at 4:18 pm #

          We see full teeth.. greenbull is a male.

        • GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 10:23 pm #

          Full teeth? What do you mean?

    • nickname - May 26, 2018 at 6:17 pm #

      I really like the forest spirit idea, would love to see that. We need more powerful zoans in OP, so Green Bull (and Kaido obviously) would be a great fit

      • GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 10:32 pm #

        Some of them I’ve seen in other works can also shape shift to look like someone/something else, so that opens up all kinds of possibilities with appearance if Oda goes with this kind of Zoan.

    • Lex - May 28, 2018 at 1:06 am #

      I think that Green Bull might be Luffy´s uncle and thats the deal about keeping him hidden since now. In manga stream translation Green Bull talked about his fasting an responded to Fujitora, that if “his sister” would feed him he would eat. It would perfectly make sence, if Dragon would meet Green Bull and through this connection Luffy´s mother would be revealed…

      • Lex - May 28, 2018 at 1:08 am #

        *keeping him hidden until now

      • Bob - May 28, 2018 at 1:45 am #

        the mangastream translation didn’t say anything about “his sister” it just said “a babe”

  19. GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 3:53 pm #

    I’m guessing that Fujitora joined up with Smoker and Tashigi on their way to Vegapunks island? I think he mentioned being friends with Smoker. I wonder if he actually kept his word at that point and didn’t enter the island because it was classified as a marine base. But regardless, I initially thought Vegapunks creation was the Pacifista’s 2.0 that Sentomaru mentioned, but I think that might be a bit much to say robots could replace the warlords, I don’t think Oda plans to make them THAT strong. Plus it seems like those were already completed where as Fujitora seems to imply that Vegapunk has just recently completed something. It’s possible Vegapunk created something that’s Ancient Weapon tier, seeing as Luffy basically already has 2. Then again maybe the P-2.0’s weren’t complete just yet and Sentomaru and his “worlds tightest lips” was just blabbering about the P-2.0’s when they were still secret.

  20. GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 3:58 pm #

    Also someone pointed out that Absalom is likely among the reporters taking pictures of Shirohoshi.

    Look on the page where they call her a beauty and it shows the line of reporters taking pictures. Look at the empty space right between the two guys who are talking. There is a “flash” between them and but you can’t see the person or the camera that made the “flash”.

    • ilvisionario - May 26, 2018 at 7:53 pm #

      Nice catch man!

      • GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 10:22 pm #

        It wasn’t me, I’m just passing along the info.

  21. antarus - May 26, 2018 at 4:02 pm #

    I still don’t get it where aokainu pulled these two top tiers out of his as.

    like c’mon, fujitora and green bull were just chillin for 60 years, outside of the forces that control op, like marines, yonkous, warlords, revolutionaries and sht? and they just waited for this draft?

    as pul

    • GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 4:11 pm #

      There are lots of places in the world that we don’t know about and strong guys that we don’t know about. Like…

      – Weevil was somewhere getting strong all this time
      – Blackbeard just randomly found a crew after leaving the WB pirates
      – Inu and Neko were just chillin on Zunisha all this time.
      – We’ll probably meet some really strong swordsman on Wano
      – Elbaf has the strongest army, so they likely have some very strong giants who live in the real Elbaf that we haven’t seen yet.

      …etc. Oda can always just come up with stuff because he leaves the ocean mostly open and unknown to us readers.

      • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 4:30 pm #

        weevil is young

        • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 4:32 pm #

          minks are not at admirals level, jack and fodders soloed zou. 5 years old BM soloed elbaf

          and in terms of unknown there is no such thing in OP at this point.

          the balance of the world is warlords plus mariens equals yonkous, said long ago

          there guys are on par with aokiji, kizaru, akainu.

        • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 4:37 pm #

          Inu and Neko together could easily be Admiral level before losing their arm/leg. They fought Jack for 5 days without significant injury on top of that they didn’t use their surlong form yet.

        • GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 10:21 pm #

          @antarus
          We don’t know how old Weevil is, but he’s old enough to be out there fighting and garner recognition. Thus why he was offered a shichibukai position in the first place.

          Look at how much stronger Carrot got with Sulon. What exactly do you think is going to happen to Inu and Neko when they go Sulon? They were already capable of fighting a Yonko Commander Jack on even terms, and the only lost when Jack used a chemical weapon. Inu stated that Sulon was their “True Form”.

          You’re living in a dream world if you honestly think Oda isn’t going to keep springing unknown strong people on us for the rest of this series.

    • Bob - May 26, 2018 at 4:57 pm #

      it definitely doesn’t make sense if you think the admirals are strong as emperors, but they aren’t, so it’s really just like them finding a couple of really strong emperor commanders.

      besides, fujitora probably wasn’t even admiral level when he first joined, not until they gave him his devil fruit, and even then I still think he is the weakest admiral

      • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 5:08 pm #

        you need monstruous strength just to ressist his gravity Attacks and escape from

        • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 5:20 pm #

          yonkou commander? these guys beat katakur iand cracker at the same time, while eating ramen and punching big mom

        • goldroger - May 26, 2018 at 5:33 pm #

          at same time?lol.he cant even beat sabo

        • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 5:37 pm #

          that sabo is almos tadmiral himself and stronger then luffy

        • goldroger - May 26, 2018 at 5:42 pm #

          you mean stronger than mc who is the “fifth yonko” who worth 1.5 billion berries?
          okay.

        • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 5:59 pm #

          the guy got trained by dragon since he was a small kid.

          luffy only got trained by rayleigh 6 months.

          as kids ace beat luffy al lthe time but sabo was equal to ace

        • Bob - May 26, 2018 at 6:20 pm #

          even zoro was able to break through fujitora’s attack so no let’s not pretend top tier is necessary. considering admirals have never won a fair 1 vs 1 against a single commander, no, they can’t beat two commanders at once. besides, if sabo is already admiral level, then that means dragon is above admiral level, or emperor level in other words.

          they could punch big mom, while she was sleeping, but they would do no damage. if she had a dream about food and started salivating she would dissolve the admirals

        • goldroger - May 26, 2018 at 6:43 pm #

          so please walk me thru this.beats 4 shichibukai,1 cp9 frontman,facing 4 admirals,face 2 yonkou and beats 2 yonkos commanders is less important to make ppl stronger compared to being trained by dragon since kid? which mean anyone who trained under dragon could be stronger than pirateking himself or it doesnt matter whoever luffy will beat one day as long as he havent train under dragon,he isnt that “strong”
          okay.

        • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 6:56 pm #

          so you tell me anyone luffy beat, sabo can’t beat.

          luffy had hard battles with yonkou comanders.

          sabo beat first fleet commnander of BB , Burgess so bad it wasn’t even a battle, but sabo punching a bag

          and sabo is spoecial like luffy, not just the trainer

        • goldroger - May 26, 2018 at 11:06 pm #

          if you say something it’s better backup it with manga fact.

          saying sabo stronger than luffy just bcause you felt so is ridiculous.

          sabo beats burgess so what?do you really think burgess equal to katakuri or cracker?kat and cracker stomped and overpowered g2 and g3 luffy without sweating in less than 3 mins of battle while same gear used to holds fujitora on equal ground.

          ace was about to low diff burgess and auger at same time 2 years ago at banaro island but thanks to bb who told them that they cant beat ace and order them to get back and stay away(http://mangafreak.com/one-piece/chapter-440/15).do you think katakuri cannot beat pre ts ace?

          burgess is weak compared to bb lv 6 prisoners crew like shiryu,basco shoot,avallo or san juan wolf.no dumbass believes that burgess is strongest captain division of bb heck he prolly not even top 3. sabo fights against fujitora and luffy fight fuji too(without G4).so i still wondering how could you say he is stronger than the mc a.k.a future pk.

          saying sabo stronger than luffy just bcause he beat burgess the first division captain (which you probably think as bb strongest captain) is like saying luffy is stronger than big mom because he beats 2 of her legit strongest commanders(unlike burgess) while we know bm can beat cracker and kat too.absurd right.

          last thing i check.bb wiped out ra’s headquarter and make them run from their own home.so much for sabo beats strongest captain of bb lol.and last thing i check luffy wreck yonko’s teritories and leave it in dissaray plus beats his top commanders.

          so again if you willing to tell me 1 solid evidence in manga that show luffy is weaker than sabo,i would be happy to hear that.

    • Wickbert - May 26, 2018 at 5:42 pm #

      Since the conscription seemed to be for the navy specifically, i suspect that they were probably something like generals or royal guards of their home countries most likely already in the new world, they could also be from a WG facility that is not under the navys control such as cp0

  22. pokopikos88 - May 26, 2018 at 4:20 pm #

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  23. pokopikos88 - May 26, 2018 at 4:23 pm #

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  24. Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 5:52 pm #

    Admirals after marineford:
    Couple of scratches maybe a broken rib or two for Akainu

    Yonko and commanders after marineford:
    Dead, lost an arm, crying, dead

    But yonko >>>> yonko commander > admiral

    • Wickbert - May 26, 2018 at 5:57 pm #

      And the only vice admirals who took any damage were giants and we already know they are massive pussy cats tier.

      • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 6:05 pm #

        VA = fodder in New World barring a few exceptions.
        Maynard = fodder
        Bastille = fodder
        Smoker = 95% fodder
        …and the list goes on
        So ya pretty much right about that

      • Bob - May 26, 2018 at 6:25 pm #

        actually the fact that pretty much no vice admirals took any damage is an indication that the amount of damage taken has very little to do with who was stronger

        instead we should be looking at the fact that another emperor showed up at 100% power and who they had come up with no underhanded strategies to beat beforehand and they all ran away crying and instantly gave up, including blackbeard who said “we’re not ready to fight you guys yet” after challenging sengoku directly and the other admirals not daring to go anywhere near him

        • Kouhei - May 26, 2018 at 6:41 pm #

          Whats left of the WB pirates and the Red Hair Pirates is too much for the marines

        • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 7:37 pm #

          Along with what kouhei said BB was going to destroy marineford so the Marines would have to fight with a handicap so that they don’t destroy marineford as well. Marines did not want to fight Shanks and Blackbeard at the same time for that reason as well.

          They had accomplished their goal and then some…executed Ace and killed WB to reafirm the countries in WG that they can protect them from yonko and other pirates.

          Oh and BB ran away from solo Akainu. So there is no way he was ready to challenge the Marines at Marineford without using the underhanded tactic of destroying the island itself.

        • Bob - May 26, 2018 at 8:01 pm #

          the fact that the marines can’t handle part of one crew and another emperor is proof that they can’t form a balance with 4 emperors.

          blackbeard was not on shanks’ side, if they were to continue fighting, shanks would be fighting blackbeard as well.

          they had accomplished the goal and insisted on destroying the rest of the whitebeard pirates as well. even after coby tried to intervene, akainu tried to kill him. it wasn’t until shanks showed up that they stopped. at that point they not only had the opportunity to take out the remainder of the whitebeard pirates, but another emperor as well, and yet they did neither because they couldn’t.

          if blackbeard was the problem then they could’ve simply killed blackbeard, problem solved, yet they couldn’t even do that despite the fact that blackbeard was significantly weaker than whitebeard was. I’m not sure how destroying an island is an “underhanded tactic” compared to getting whitebeard’s crew to turn against its captain, pushing the execution time ahead in order to to get them to act recklessly, flood the battlefield so they would all sink or take advantage of the fact that the emperor was old and ill, and then injured from his own crewmates’ attack.

          destroying the island is simply what he was capable of doing in a fight, and for it being an “underhanded tactic” apparently it didn’t work against shanks, since he said “we’re not ready to fight you guys yet.” the fact that he was reckless enough to attack marineford makes it clear in and of itself that he’s not afraid of the three admirals or even the fleet admiral which means the rational explanation is that blackbeard was running away from marines like all pirates do, doflamingo running away from tsuru, luffy running away from fodder marines etc. and has nothing to do with their fighting ability. if you actually think blackbeard plus all the level 6 impel down prisoners who were probably haki users had no chance against akainu then I don’t know what to tell you, and if they weren’t haki users then it’s not even a 10 vs 1, it’s just a 1 vs 1.

        • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 8:07 pm #

          I agree with bobs pov , just ddnt have tym or patience to write so much when I know mingo won’t understand shit

    • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 6:23 pm #

      Wow your mind can only comprehend dbz fights eh?

      • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 6:31 pm #

        ah shadyman the local idiot with no actual arguments

        • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 6:44 pm #

          Rich coming from a dipshit with shit for brains

        • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 6:49 pm #

          @ mingo Chan go watch doraemon or something if you are gonna keep making silly arguments with nothing but one sided mind numbing biasness, white beard pirates were weakened with teachs betrayl and whitebeards sickness too and so many factors that your puny mind forgot to mention

        • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 7:39 pm #

          @shadyman
          Notice how you have not even mentioned anything One Piece related at all in this discussion. Maybe you should go on to read those.

        • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 7:43 pm #

          “white beard pirates were weakened with teachs betrayl and whitebeards sickness too and so many factors that your puny mind forgot to mention”
          Here only the last part is not op related in case your mind only choses to see half the picture

    • Kouhei - May 26, 2018 at 6:36 pm #

      Is there anyone who believes yonko commander > Admiral?

      • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 6:43 pm #

        admirals are more underrated then sanji

        • Kouhei - May 26, 2018 at 6:53 pm #

          Seems like they are.

        • Bob - May 26, 2018 at 8:09 pm #

          no, admirals are extremely overrated. and sanji gets about as much criticism as he deserves post time skip

      • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 6:43 pm #

        It depends on the admiral and commander

      • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 7:31 pm #

        look at shadyman lmao

        • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 7:46 pm #

          @ mingo notice how you’re trying to bring others into this, so typical school boyishness Just go watch nobeta and doraemon

      • nickname - May 26, 2018 at 8:37 pm #

        They are, but fortunately it’s just a few ppl, most have realized that admirals are somewhere between close and on par with the yonkou.

        I feel like ppl just take those op dfs for granted because haki lol while ignoring how much of a threat they are for even the strongest fighters, shoutout to half of WB’s face.

      • Bob - May 26, 2018 at 10:55 pm #

        my view is that the top commanders are admiral level but are on the lower end of the spectrum, around fujitora level, the strongest admirals will always be stronger than the strongest commanders

        I also think fleet admirals are emperor level but on the lower end of the spectrum, the strongest emperors will always be stronger than the fleet admiral

        in other words if katakuri and kizaru were to fight I think kizaru would win but katakuri would put up a huge fight, however if katakuri fought big mom he would not be able to put up any fight and same as if kizaru fought big mom for that matter

    • goldroger - May 26, 2018 at 6:53 pm #

      slow it down.marines and shichi=yonko.
      wbp was 1/4 forces.

      if it was marines + shichi versus 4 yonko’s forces then we can talk about that real ” >>>> ” equation.

      • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 7:01 pm #

        Marines and schichi is slightly stronger than one full powered yonkou crew, true and the four would smash them to pieces but then the wg has gorosei, Kong and posssibly cp0, still the four of them would win if together , can you imagine four yobkous fighting side by side that would make anyone pisss their pants!

        • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 7:17 pm #

          it was clearly said that 4 yonkous= marine force and warlords

        • Bob - May 26, 2018 at 8:11 pm #

          no it wasn’t. the four emperors would not team up in a fight, so no, the marines and warlords are not equal to 4 emperors. never mind that they couldn’t even begin to handle 2 of them and were uncertain of the outcome with just one

        • Bob - May 26, 2018 at 8:13 pm #

          @antarus

      • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 7:32 pm #

        What did any of the shichi do against WB commanders or WB himself exactly?

        • Doflamingo - May 26, 2018 at 7:38 pm #

          Well yes by yonko I don’t mean all 4 emperors that much should be implicit seeing how the term is used around this website and others I think i’m in the clear.

        • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 7:41 pm #

          Well they did not fight to the death but did have brief sparring , there’s no point in pirates dying for the govt, in the end they always have hidden agenda
          Still the white beard pirates were without three top level commanders two of whom had the mantle to be yonkoi in future and a yonkou sick and old way past his prime, marines had the home turf and the entire rung was a trap to begin with!
          At full force in neutral grounds marines would need the schibukai to fight with their life on the line to beat fully powered wb pirates
          I think cp 0 gorosei Kong etc play a part in balancing act of the wg and not jus t marines and schibukai,

        • goldroger - May 26, 2018 at 8:46 pm #

          wbp been outnumbered.it was 1k versus 100k.it’s so simple,can you say same things if three other of yonko’s force were present at there?
          why not 4 yonko?yonko is 4.you cant fairly compare how admirals yonko and top 2 yonko commanders fairly since the yonko and yonko top 2 commanders getting outnumbered here and there by fighter as skilled as themselves.
          so i ask you to hold yr horse bcause there will be no fair assesment as long as 3 or 4 of yonko not present.it’s like pain beating sage naruto’s bunshin with mid-high diff then think pain is better.

  25. antarus - May 26, 2018 at 7:14 pm #

    so vegapunk’s invention that replaces the warlords:

    1) the new pacifistas that maybe are as strong as yonnkou crew or not much weaker? maybe pacifistas even know haki now????

    2) based on smoker and the kinds from PH, he discovered giantification, that he will use to….make al lmarines giants????

    3) some artificial ancient weapon?

    4) instead of cloninng kuma, now he cloned the admirals????

    4) he made kuma so strong, he is no yonkou level?

    • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 7:16 pm #

      what if he uses giantification on the pacifistas to make them as giant as , idk, san juan wolf?

    • Wickbert - May 26, 2018 at 7:45 pm #

      How about indestructible kairoseki pacifistas?

      • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 7:47 pm #

        Hell no they would be too op

        • shadyman - May 26, 2018 at 7:47 pm #

          Compared to vegapunk the revolutionary mink weapons guy looks like shit

        • Wickbert - May 26, 2018 at 8:23 pm #

          This is an invention designed to replace a group that includes the second coming of the worlds strongest man, the worlds strongest swordsman and the pirate empress, it is supposed to be too OP.

      • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 7:57 pm #

        seastone is option.

        like smoker already has some seastone weapon, maybe now pacifistas have seastone weapons

        • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 7:58 pm #

          altrough seastone was already invented, it would be more about figure a way to make it more versatibel and based on how much seastone you got

      • GomoGomoNo - May 26, 2018 at 10:41 pm #

        This was a theory from years ago when Sentomaru first mentioned P-2’s. This could definitely work but only to a certain extent. I think how much seastone is used depends on how strong Seastone actually is. I think at one point it was said to be indestructible, but since then we’ve seen some questionable stuff.

        Like the marine battleships are supposed to be lined with them underneath to ward off sea kings. But we’ve seen them destroyed multiple times. One clear example was when Law redirected Fujitora’s meteor right into the bottom of the ship and it busted right through it.

    • Wickbert - May 26, 2018 at 8:25 pm #

      What about some kind of mind control device that could turn the schibukai kuma-esque drones

      • Wickbert - May 26, 2018 at 8:27 pm #

        *into

      • antarus - May 26, 2018 at 8:31 pm #

        as much as I would like to see it, seems they replace them for good, nto just find a way to make them fully cooperate