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One Piece 912 Spoiler「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第912

2018 July 19
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One Piece 912 Spoiler: The last Chapter end with Great Adventure in Wano Starting…!!! So what happens next..? find out story on One Piece 912 Spoiler Discussion 「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第912話 at Mangaspoiler.com. if you would like to discuss the Spoiler or prediction, please leave a comment below.

One Piece 912 Spoiler Summaries

Luffy tells Otama that Ace has passed away. Otama is shocked and loses her consciousness. Tengu gets mad at Luffy saying that even if it’s the truth, he shouldn’t have told her now. Tengu is a swordsmith. He too has been waiting for someone for a long time. The place they are living in right now is called Amigasa village and it used to be a normal village, but one year ago, Kaidou’s army’s headliner Drake destroyed the whole village. The only place that is flourishing in Wano right now is where Orochi is living, the flower town.

All other places were turned into a wilderness by Kaidou. 4 years ago, the Amigasa village was so poor that people were starving to death, and one pirate ship arrived. As the pirates were weakened, the people from the village, tied the pirates up and took their food away. Once everyone from the village have finished eating, one pirate was able to easily untie himself. And that pirate was Ace. He intentionally let himself tie up and shared the food with them. Once they realize that, they thank Ace, and Otama especially was attached to Ace.

Once Luffy finished hearing that story, he takes Otama to see a doctor. Tengu tells him that he will stand out like that, so he gives Luffy his own clothes. Luffy wants to take the Katana that he found in the house with him, but Tengu doesn’t allow Luffy to take it with him. The katana that Luffy tried to take was “Nidai Kitetsu”. So Luffy suggests that he will exchange this with the katana Tengu is carrying. But Tengu says the Nidai Kitetsu is cursed so he doesn’t want to touch it. Although Tengu tries to stop Luffy, he still takes the Nidai Kitetsu with him. He rides on the Komainu, and Otama wakes up. Otama accuses Luffy of being a liar and rampages.

Ace promised her that once Otama becomes a great Kunocihi, she is allowed to go out to the seas with Ace. Once they get out of the bamboo groove, it’s exactly as Tengu said, it is wilderness. Beyond the wilderness, there are several factories, and in the wilderness, there are ferocious animals fighting against each other. Luffy wants to beat the animals and eat them, but apparently those animals also have drunk from the poisoned water, so he can’t eat them. On their way, there is a bad guy chasing women, but that bad guy gets easily beaten by a swordsman. Once Luffy looks carefully, he realizes that the swordsman is Zoro. They are happy that they were able to meet again, but at that moment, Hawkins appears with his underlings.

CHAPTER END
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Color page: Mugiwara pirates playing all kinds of sports (a collaboration w/ Yomiuri Shimbun)

Luffy, Karate
Zoro, baseball
Nami, tennis
Sanji swimming
Usopp, Shooting
Chopper, boxing
Robin, horse riding
Franky, basketball
Brooke, Football

3,774 Responses to “One Piece 912 Spoiler「ワンピース ネタバレ」 第912”

  1. Luffy Sama - August 26, 2018 at 2:47 am #

    Mouse is smart so you should be smarter

    There are five ways to trap a mouse!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDqAcM9FQRs

    • antarus - August 26, 2018 at 9:05 am #

      what kind of mouse, the one you hold your hand on or the one that eats all your cheeese?

      • Luffy Sama - August 26, 2018 at 10:18 am #

        I thought i made it clear . Please be smarter than the mouse!

  2. antarus - August 26, 2018 at 9:24 am #

    btw it’s super unlikely that nakama jimbe will be i nthis movie, there is no way he can make it to wano in the anime by 2019.

    sorry jimbe fans. but you can bet same about carrot lol

    • antarus - August 26, 2018 at 9:25 am #

      because the movies follow the anime

    • Mad19 - August 26, 2018 at 12:20 pm #

      Nah if it’s non cannon then Jinbe could be in the movie regardless.

      The crew was seperated in the anime/manga but they were all normally in the ship in movie Gold iirc

      • antarus - August 26, 2018 at 12:41 pm #

        but jimbe didn0’t join yet. and with his unclear situation in the manga, it woudl spoil his fate

        • Mad19 - August 26, 2018 at 1:04 pm #

          Υeah it’s highly unlikely that he’ll make an appearance in the movie, was just saying that the movies are kind of irrelevant to the situation in the manga.

    • GomoGomoNo - August 26, 2018 at 3:28 pm #

      Carrot is not officially a member, but Jinbe is. By the time the movie is released the anime will already have passed chapter 901, which is when Jinbe official joins. The anime is at Chapter 880 after this weeks episode. So that’s ~21 episodes, and the anime should end this arc in January 2019.

      And obviously the movie is not going to follow the plot of the manga because the Strawhats are still split up on Wano anyway. All of the Strawhats will simply be on the ship together and they will have a non-canon movie adventure as usual. The only thing will be that Jinbe will probably have to have his old design and not the new one Oda is keeping secret for his Wano reveal.

      • antarus - August 26, 2018 at 3:43 pm #

        jimbe is not yet member until he starts travelign with the crew.

        it’s not wnough to say it if he is left behind. reason jimbe is still not on cover color pages with the crew

        it would be wierd if aroudn the time we leave jimbe on cake sialnd to go to wano with him at mercy at BM movie strarts with jimbe adventure in the crew

        • GomoGomoNo - August 26, 2018 at 8:03 pm #

          What are you talking about? Oda just recently confirmed that Jinbe is in the crew and stated that the reason he hasn’t had him in the color pages is because he doesn’t want to spoil the surprise of what he’s changed about Jinbe. What kind of new level of arrogance is going on in your head when the author literally has Luffy say “I am you’re captain now”, and then actually comes right out and confirms that Jinbe will be in Wano with something changed about him, and yet somehow you’re still making up alternate facts for yourself to believe?

        • Sane - August 26, 2018 at 10:01 pm #

          https://i9.mangapanda.com/one-piece/901/one-piece-10495993.jpg

          Luffy: “I am your captain now! We’ll be waiting for you in Wano, you better come! Don’t die even if it kilsl ya!”

          Jimbei: “My gratitude captain!”

          Antarus: “He is now a crew member yet.”

        • antarus - August 26, 2018 at 10:07 pm #

          he is a memeber that as soon as he joins he is left behind. doesn’t he needs to actually travel with the crew to be proper mate?

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 27, 2018 at 6:00 am #

          @ Antarus
          Nope.

  3. antarus - August 26, 2018 at 9:50 am #

    but jimbw should be in the movie after this, in 2022 or 2023

  4. Kouhei - August 26, 2018 at 1:51 pm #

    One Piece movies are crap. The best movies, strong world and z, shows Luffy beating legends when he was still miles behind them in strength level. Shiki was Roger’s rival. Based on this, a new movie will be just like the others. I’ll prefer Broly instead.

    • antarus - August 26, 2018 at 2:03 pm #

      I like z, but strong world had pre ts luffy that was weaker then pacifista beat uo the guy that was pretty mcuh liek a yonkou and needed garp and sengoku to beat. that was BS

      but now it’s kidna hard to make villains for movies when luffy taking on strongest yonkous i nthe manga. tesoro was out of nothing

      they could put some impel down guys that escaped from level 6, but still clearly under yonkous. and rox that used to rule before roger

      then they will bring what, secret admirals?

    • shadyman - August 26, 2018 at 4:14 pm #

      One piece movies are crap ,the anime itself is crap, Dragon ball z movies were crap mostly, naruto movies were also crap mostly, I did like both dragonballz tv specials though….. they were related to the story
      Also very few anime are better than the manga, one example would be attack on titan and another fma

      • antarus - August 26, 2018 at 4:43 pm #

        or bleach. if op had bleach anime quality….

        • shadyman - August 26, 2018 at 5:21 pm #

          Bleach manga was boring when you had to read one chapter at a time ,was only good collectively and anime was very high quality for that time, even one piece back then had better anime version than todays,,, the op anime now looks like you are watching some verychildish doraemon level of anime and I praise anime in front of my fronds and gf but am ashamed to watch one piece when they are around

  5. Doflamingo - August 26, 2018 at 4:16 pm #

    Prediction: O-Tama will tame the lion that is on holdum’s body. None of the beast pirates will be able to use the mochi from her cheeks to have the effect that O-Tama has if they can get the mochi at all that is.

    Somehow she will end up doing it herself and end up basically controlling the lion to defeat the headliner. It might even be possible that she tames Holdum himself since their body is shared it might have a similar effect on the headliner himself…She’s starting to sound like a more prominent mansherry.

    • GomoGomoNo - August 26, 2018 at 8:09 pm #

      Yeah, I could see that happening for sure. I’m curious to see if that has the same effect on real zoans though. The Smiles seem to attach an animal/beast to their bodies somehow, but a zoan actually makes their entire body that creature. It’s going to be an interesting plot point.

  6. antarus - August 26, 2018 at 6:55 pm #

    favorite anime transformation. sanji’s germa suit transform should be liek this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7ml4ZmKmdQ

    • GomoGomoNo - August 26, 2018 at 8:11 pm #

      Why the hell is that so freakin long, lol? Even longer than the OP anime(unless they’ve made it even longer since I last watched it). By opening sequence standards that was practically like a whole movie.

  7. Luffy Sama - August 26, 2018 at 10:45 pm #

    https://nyaa.si/view/1069818
    Today`s anime in which Jimbei is wise & Katakori`s kung fu

  8. shadyman - August 27, 2018 at 6:01 am #

    Well now that we are bashing all the animes unworthy of the mangas kingdom anime tops this list , the anime has been censored for 10 year olds and there’s no blood none whatsoever in a warfare based manga… I guess the anime makers will only target the audience for monetary benefit s even if it means lowering the quality of the original

    • Kouhei - August 27, 2018 at 9:49 am #

      Couldn’t agree more. A real piece of shit

  9. Kouhei - August 27, 2018 at 9:53 am #

    ToG readers here? Next arc is gonna be intense. Full white + 2 thornes baam + yuri + androsi + fug guy vs jahad rankers. Fight for survival. I miss Khan though

    • Kouhei - August 27, 2018 at 9:54 am #

      *khun

  10. Sane - August 27, 2018 at 10:24 am #

    Magellan and Shiryu pre timeskip – 4th commander lvl

    Magellan and shiryu post timeskip lvl 2nd commander lvl.

    Magellan had motivation to become stronger now which is the humiliation of impel down that happened before the war. Magellan wanted to kill himself which shows a strong sense of duty. Now he hot stronger to never let that happen again.

    Shiryu got a new motivation, which is to become a pirate who seeks to reach Raftel alongside Blackbeard and probably ate som3 devil fruit.

    • antarus - August 27, 2018 at 10:38 am #

      I don’t think shilliew is 2 commander level yet if he has yet to eat the diamond fruit that will give him huge boost

    • ~7OPofD.w0rld - August 27, 2018 at 11:30 am #

      Shiryuu second commander level? And what exactly makes u think that he’s any weaker than Katakuri? And besides “commander level” is different for every yonkou, so that’s a really vague assumption, so even if we ASSUME that Shiryuu is the second strongest commander in the BB pirates, he might be stronger than the first commander of BM pirates, Katakuri

      • Bob - August 27, 2018 at 1:04 pm #

        I think it depends on aokiji’s role in blackbeard’s crew

        if he’s actually one of the captains, I would say he’s first commander level and shiryu is second commander level

        otherwise I would say shiryu is first commander level

    • Doflamingo - August 27, 2018 at 11:45 am #

      After running away from Lucci with his tail between his legs? I doubt he’s true second commander level especially seeing first fleet commander Burgess’s condition.

      • Sane - August 27, 2018 at 11:50 am #

        Burgess was never yonko first mate lvl. Poor dude was eye balling that gear4 and was hoping and dreaming of finally being able to compete with the likes of Marco, Katakuri, beckman etc.

        Best of luck next time Burgess.

        As for the blackbeard pirates they made Dragon and his goons run for their lives. They are opportunists so they got what they came for and left. They have nothing to gain fighting navy and ciphor pol.

        • Doflamingo - August 27, 2018 at 11:56 am #

          True but it shows the fight would not be easy and they have a possibility of losing something/someone.

    • GomoGomoNo - August 27, 2018 at 11:59 pm #

      As of now we’ve seen nothing to suggest either of them got anywhere near that strong.

      • Sane - August 28, 2018 at 10:12 am #

        Hence why its a theory, a prediction, a guess.

  11. Sane - August 27, 2018 at 11:51 am #

    Big Moms commanders – Paramecia

    Kaidos commanders – Zoan

    Shanks commanders – Non df fighters

    • Sane - August 27, 2018 at 11:52 am #

      Blackbeards commanders – logia

      • Controlminds- no mi - August 27, 2018 at 1:25 pm #

        I think Blackbeard commanders will be a mix of powerfull Zoan, powerfull paramecia and powerfull logia’s.

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 27, 2018 at 1:32 pm #

          Cause dude just Steal powerfull df’s. I don’t think the type matters as long as it’s powerfull.

        • Sane - August 27, 2018 at 3:07 pm #

          This was just a funny guess. As far as the manga goes then Blackbeards crew seem to only care for strong fruits without caring about the category. Burgess was interested in both logia and paramecia (Mera and Gomu).

          But Oda may want to give them all logias just give each crew a unique taste.

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 27, 2018 at 3:25 pm #

          Yup.

      • GomoGomoNo - August 27, 2018 at 11:50 pm #

        It would be interesting if Blackbeard collected the 2nd strongest DF for each of his Top 3, to go along with he himself having the strongest Paramecia, Zoan, and Logia.

        • Sane - August 28, 2018 at 10:14 am #

          I can totally see that happening. There have been many theories that Teach will come at the end of Wano and take Kaidos fruit. He will become the ultimate villain.

    • Bob - August 27, 2018 at 1:06 pm #

      whitebeard’s commanders — all

      • ~7OPofD.w0rld - August 27, 2018 at 1:31 pm #

        Was there a Zoan in WB crew? I don’t remember

        • ~7OPofD.w0rld - August 27, 2018 at 1:31 pm #

          I mean among the commanders

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 27, 2018 at 1:32 pm #

          Marco

        • Bob - August 27, 2018 at 1:51 pm #

          yeah, marco

        • ~7OPofD.w0rld - August 27, 2018 at 2:48 pm #

          Lol, yeah, Mythical Zoan, I had him pictured as a Logia

      • Sane - August 27, 2018 at 3:05 pm #

        Yup except logia. I dont remember a logia in his crew.

        • Sane - August 27, 2018 at 3:05 pm #

          Lol nvm i forgot Ace…

    • Luffy Sama - August 28, 2018 at 4:37 pm #

      Shanx has the time time df .He himself told me but its not in the anime or manga so you don`t know about it.

  12. Controlminds- no mi - August 27, 2018 at 1:32 pm #

    Marco

  13. Leptor - August 27, 2018 at 2:30 pm #

    Below average chapter for Black Clover.

    The captains seem so lame in that chapter especially the violet orca captains. That is also something that I don’t like about the elves stories they’re absurdly skilled to the point that it makes the captains and vice captains seem less relevant.

    I give that chapter a 1.7/10 (rounding to a 2/10). :p

  14. Leptor - August 27, 2018 at 2:32 pm #

    Pretty good chapter for Boku No Hero Academia.

    As a competitor I like chapters with competitions like that and having Shinso on both teams is an intriguing way to even it out and see which class he clicks with more. At first I figured that class a wins match ups 3, 4, and 5 however with Shinso on team b for match up 5 I can somewhat see team b winning that match up and team a winning match up 1 or 2.

    I give that chapter a 7.9/10 (rounding to an 8/10).

  15. kizaruuu - August 27, 2018 at 4:38 pm #

    Match ups

    Ace vs Katakuri
    Jozu vs Cracker
    Perospero vs Sanji

    • antarus - August 27, 2018 at 5:53 pm #

      katakuri low-mid diff

      jozu draws cracker( as long as cracker doesn’t play stupid and attack jozu himself)

      perospero wins if sanji doesn’t have the suit. but with the suit i go with sanji

      • shadyman - August 27, 2018 at 5:59 pm #

        Nah Sanji would win even without suit, sabjis fire ability is like supereffective against perospero

        • antarus - August 27, 2018 at 6:31 pm #

          perospero is still resistand with it, based on the explosion.

          and he is a very styled fighter too, likely with strong haki

          like pedro is very skileld fighter yet perospero put him o nthe groudn in 1 second lol

        • shadyman - August 27, 2018 at 6:49 pm #

          Yes I get that but you know Sanji is skilled fighter too and he’s next to zor in the crew and probably jimbei , at least can put up a decent fight against them two and with his fire based haki probably beat perospero who is around level of oven or daifuku and we saw Sanji sparribg on equal grounds with them and lol explosions in one piece depend on authors whims some survive the strongest of explosion without an armour like Pell San

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 27, 2018 at 7:21 pm #

          You’re overestimating Sanji and underestimating Zoro.

          Even with the Raid suit Sanji is still behind Zoro. Lol

        • shadyman - August 27, 2018 at 9:46 pm #

          You mean zolo the faggot ass bitch

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 27, 2018 at 10:22 pm #

          Okay.

        • shadyman - August 27, 2018 at 10:27 pm #

          Well it’s been a while since I triggered Billy san

      • Kouhei - August 27, 2018 at 6:03 pm #

        What’s the deal with this suit? We know nothing about it. And Perospero showed to be Sweet Commander Level, so there’s no way current Sanji can rival him. Jozu = Cracker is ok, but I think Jozu can do much more than what he did in Marineford.

        About Ace, he just appeared too early in the story, and that’s why most people consider him weakear than Luffy, Katakuri and other commanders. I think Katakuri and Marco are stronger than Ace, but it’d be a high diff fight.

        • antarus - August 27, 2018 at 6:32 pm #

          it seems to give you a good power up, if from useless germa turn into super fighters

    • Sane - August 27, 2018 at 7:17 pm #

      Katakuri
      Jozu
      Sanji

      • Sane - August 27, 2018 at 7:18 pm #

        without suit = High diff
        with suit = mid diff

    • Mad19 - August 27, 2018 at 9:06 pm #

      Katakuri low to mid diff

      Jozu mid to high diff

      Sanji mid to high diff

    • GomoGomoNo - August 27, 2018 at 11:46 pm #

      Katakuri def. Ace, Very Hard Diff

      I’ve recently had a change of opinion on Ace’s strength after the Ace Novels. Before I thought he was even with Jinbe or a little weaker, but looking back I think he grew stronger. Back then he was already capable of fighting evenly with Jinbe, for 5 days, despite the battle taking place right next to the ocean. And then in the novels Whitebeard says that Ace is growing stronger each time Ace tries to kill him. Put that together with Ace just being young and still growing, and I think he actually got stronger than Jinbe since their fight. I think Marineford gives Ace a bad name because it was written with him protecting Luffy. But just because he got his hand burnt in the first clash doesn’t mean he couldn’t have adjusted in battle and continued to fight Akainu for a long time if the situation was different. That’s like saying Luffy couldn’t beat Katakuri just because Katakuri had the superior version of the Gomo Gomo and outclassed Luffy to start out. As far as the specific match up against Katakuri, I don’t think there is anything in particular about Fire vs Mochi to note, however Haki would be interesting. Considering how Ace naturally picked up and learned Armament Haki mid battle, I feel like if he fought Katakuri he would probably start to do like Luffy and learn some better Observation Mid battle too. He’d lose, however he would put up a decent fight.

      —Jozu def. Cracker, Extreme Diff—

      I’d say they are close in strength, giving the edge to Jozu in power and durability and the edge to Cracker in techniques and stamina. Their DF powers match up pretty well with Jozu being a massive and powerful brawler who is not going to get thrown around by the Biscuits sword attacks, regardless of how many there are. He’s also just likely to straight bulldoze right over them, as that was one of his favorite moves. Or thrown a massive chunk of earth and squash them underneath. On the other hand Cracker himself has impressive cutting ability as he was able to cut through Boundman, which Doflamingo could not cut at all. However Doflamingo never actually cut Jozu either he just held him in place with Parasite, so it’s difficult to tell if Cracker would be able to cut Jozu or not. I’d wager yes though.

      —Perospero def Sanji, Hard Diff—

      Perospero is easily much stronger than Sanji however Sanji is very much tailor made to fight him. While he can make massive candy constructs rather quickly, it’s not faster than Sanji can fly. That should keep Sanji away from getting surrounded or losing his footing to Candy masses. More importantly fire is his Candy’s weakness, and we saw Sanji easily burn the candy that was holding the Vinsmokes. However that doesn’t give Sanji the W automatically because you have to take into account other things like Haki, Technique, and Experience, all of which Perospero probably takes the cake being a pirate and warrior since he was a kid and he is now 50. We saw that Pedro’s explosion was something powerful enough to knock Big Mom over for a moment, and even that was only able to take an arm. I’m not sure Sanji even has an attack capable of doing that. But that’s neither here nor there, more specifically I would look at how easily Perospero absolutely wrecked Pedro, who we saw was immensely skilled as the #2 Gaurdian Mink behind Neko, and capable of fighting on par with Tamago who is worth $429 mil. I highly doubt Sanji is much stronger than Pedro, if at all, although I’d say he is but barely. So really it’s only because Sanji’s powers are so perfectly suited to fight Perospero that this isn’t a stomp by Big Mom’s first born.

      • burnhotspot - August 28, 2018 at 3:35 am #

        Sanji vs peros is a difficult thing.

        While Sanji is weaker than Peros, none of Peros attacks will work other than his sword. Sanji powers are as if he ate mera mera fruit and can go full body flame mode without moving lol.
        meaning peros cannot lock down sanji like he did to brook.

        Even candy shields and others will easily be taken down by Spectre attack. TBH i dont know who’ll win, sanji has much higher speed and advantage but peros have more stamina, haki.

        • Will of fire - August 29, 2018 at 2:42 am #

          Does Pero have haki, did they even list it?

    • burnhotspot - August 28, 2018 at 3:29 am #

      1. Ace vs Katakuri, Kat high-vhigh dif.. Ace is like Sabo version1, unlike luffy, Ace fire attacks are mostly AOE and difficult for Katakuri to dodge even with future-sight. I’m not sure how good is Ace Armament Haki so, i’ll just go with this.

      2. Jozu vs Cracker, I’d go for Jozu vhigh diff. He just threw iceberg size of moby dick. I’m sure he can punch through that biscuit soldiers with his ultimate attacks.

      3. Sanji vs Peros, Sanji vhigh diff. Only because Sanji flames can counter peros.

  16. Billy - August 27, 2018 at 4:56 pm #

    Bob need a panel in the manga to show Nidai Kitetsu is a cursed sword only to later come up as, “I was trolling” to save his face.

    Come on asking for a proof from Manga to show Nidai Kitetsu is a cursed sword, really Bob have you grown this stupid????

    • Bob - August 27, 2018 at 11:35 pm #

      when did I say I was trolling?

      • burnhotspot - August 28, 2018 at 3:40 am #

        send bob and vegene

      • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 6:07 am #

        He hasn’t been right since forever so now for once he can rub it in your face bob. Lok
        You should understand the kid.

        • Bob - August 28, 2018 at 1:54 pm #

          gotcha

    • goldroger - August 28, 2018 at 1:43 am #

      billiboy just fyi.for someone with 3 swords,zoro is so useless on the latest chapter.i guess he need more time to recover from the wounds that hawkin gave.

  17. Leptor - August 28, 2018 at 4:02 am #

    One Piece, Boku No Hero Academia, and The Tower Of God all excel in a variety of ways so ranking them is a lot about which series appeals to me more. The Promised Neverland’s Series chapter isn’t as versatile however the quality of the writing is also awesome. Fairy Tail’s chapter is more fun and has more substance than the chapters ranked inferior. Nanatsu No Taizai’s Series chapter has a cool standoff and some intriguing looking magic.

    One Piece slightly > The Tower Of God slightly > Boku No Hero Academia > The Promised Neverland’s Series > Fairy Tail >>>> Nanatsu No Taizai’s Series >>>>>>>> Black Clover in my opinion. A pretty good manga week.

  18. Leptor - August 28, 2018 at 4:12 am #

    Ace vs. Lord Katakuri- Lord Katakuri wins that match up with mid to high difficulty. Lord Katakuri is superior in basically every way outside of devil fruit and in that aspect Lord Katakuri has superior control. Plus his character is superior in speed, defense, physical strength, and haki.

    Jozu vs. Lord Cracker- Lord Cracker wins that match up with high to extremely high difficulty. I’m not sure that Jozu is physically superior to Gear 4th and a character who bests Lord Crack arguably has to have both superior speed and physical strength to gear 4th Luffy.

    Sanji vs. Lord Perospero- Lord Perospero wins that match up with around high difficulty basically because of superior portrayal. :p

    Lord Katakuri > Lord Cracker somewhat > Jozu > Ace => Lord Perospero > Sanji.

    • kizaruuu - August 28, 2018 at 7:33 am #

      Why do you place cracker above Ace ??
      He was shown being physically superior to cracker if you ask me..
      He fought against Blackbeard by taking straight on attacks because his Df was neglected
      This was also mentioned by Van Augar when ace was fighting their captain
      That’s why I would conclude
      Katakuri > Ace > Jozu > Cracker

      • burnhotspot - August 28, 2018 at 8:55 am #

        Leptor still doesn’t know Ace also has Busoshoku haki.

        • goldroger - August 28, 2018 at 12:55 pm #

          imo he knew.he said superior in haki.

          akainu’s df superior than ace.doesnt mean ace doesnt have df right

  19. zehahaha - August 28, 2018 at 9:19 am #

    Sanji should never be compared with Zoro especially when he is considered as a loser.

    Let’s take a look at few chapters ago :

    1. Sanji got shot by BMP while protecting Luffy.
    2. Zoro got wounded while protecting Luffy and Tama.
    These 2 scenarios are the same.

    Sanji’s dream is to find All Blue whereas Zoro’s is to become strongest swordman. The gap between those two are big, one is cooking and the other is fighting.

    So, it won’t fair to compare which one is stronger.

    Peace _l_

    • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 9:48 am #

      I don’t think we shoudl compare ”hype up the germa suit next power up of sanji” with nomral moments liek that.

      fair comparison would be mihawk bs zoro, hyping up future swordmanship of zoro

    • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 9:49 am #

      reminder that zoro is the only guy in entire OP with strength based dream

      based on that he is world’s stronget man.

    • ~7OPofD.w0rld - August 28, 2018 at 11:22 am #

      Before the timeskip Sanji had the same dream he has now, but I don’t remember him being so damn lame and pitiable as now, in fact he was way cooler

      I must say though, the author did a great job of making a failure out of him

  20. antarus - August 28, 2018 at 9:51 am #

    didn’t notice before but all Bb pirates are twice the size of nomral humans, as in the normal looking ones, vasco shot is much bigger

  21. Sakanade - August 28, 2018 at 11:35 am #

    In case you’re wondering, I’ve gone to other forums, mostly talking politics now.

    • ~7OPofD.w0rld - August 28, 2018 at 12:35 pm #

      Politics eh? Basically the same thing as admirals vs yonkous…

      • Sakanade - August 28, 2018 at 3:24 pm #

        Still going?

  22. shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 12:44 pm #

    Kingdom latest chapter looks sick

  23. antarus - August 28, 2018 at 1:32 pm #

    at this point, i think sanji without suit could beat ace.

    i think ace was that weak.

    • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 1:42 pm #

      Smfh.. so you think Sanji could clash equally with an admiral?

      • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 1:46 pm #

        You think Sanji could fight for 5 days straight Vs jinbei

      • ~7OPofD.w0rld - August 28, 2018 at 1:49 pm #

        That was too damn obvious of a bait man

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 1:51 pm #

          Coming from Antarus you never know man.

      • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 4:44 pm #

        how did he he clash equally with admiral? he got 1 shot by akainu rofl

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 4:49 pm #

          He clashed with aokiji, and if akainu throwing him off with one punch is one shoting him then luffy got one shot by katakuri several times before he beat him up by that logic ,ace was up in no time after akainus punch ,only he stopped his fist with his body and all that crap but it dsnt really matter , people are entitled to their own opinion which is what they gonna stick to so ace , Sanji all are trash one way or other

        • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 4:57 pm #

          it was 1 attack that was based more on DFs elements clash

        • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 4:57 pm #

          same way even monet could clash eqaully with aokiji in 1 attack ebcause they have the same fruit

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 5:14 pm #

          Ur biasness is exposed when you take into account df powers in aokiii vs ace and not ace vs akainu , regardless I have made my point,, Vista a more experienced guy with new world and one piece world than both of us said it’s not a big deal ace being able to stop someone like aokiji ,

        • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 5:33 pm #

          well yes, aokiji was weak to ace’s fruit

          but while it’s same for akainu and ace, aokiji didn0t get 1 shot kld by ace because of fruti weakness. heck, not even enel that had same with luffy

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 6:10 pm #

          Ugh basically ace came in between akainu and luffy saving luffy ,when they fought directly ace only got thrown back a bit and was backup in the next panel I don’t call that one shot kill, the other shot well if an exhausted shanks had decided to come in between akainusfist he would have probbly suffered the same fate

        • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 6:50 pm #

          bot really because shanks should have yonkou level haki to protect himself

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 7:26 pm #

          I did say a tired shanks,,, besides haki concept was really vague pre ts

    • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 1:47 pm #

      Lol Sanji couldn’t even beat Burgess.

      • Bob - August 28, 2018 at 2:02 pm #

        I hate to say it but you might be right

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 2:04 pm #

          I’m always right, rather people accept it or not. Lol

      • Mad not 19 any more - August 28, 2018 at 2:15 pm #

        Source : your ass

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 2:23 pm #

          Nah unlike you I didn’t even know you could use an ass as source. No wonder all your arguments suck. You just pull them out of your ass.
          #facepalming..

        • Mad not 19 any more - August 28, 2018 at 4:09 pm #

          Must be the same source that told you the earth is flat then Lmao

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 5:21 pm #

          #yawning

          Another flat earth joke by the retard.. Her, who didn’t see that coming. Smh

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 5:22 pm #

          Her= Gee

        • Mad not 19 any more - August 28, 2018 at 5:36 pm #

          Still better than your jokes.

          Mad: the source was your ass

          flat earth- no mi: NO YOU ARE THE ONE WHO USES HIS ASS AS A SOURCE! HA! GOTCHA!

          hahahaha

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 6:03 pm #

          Except I was being serious, your arguments sound like the come straight outta your ass..

        • Controlminds- no mi - August 28, 2018 at 6:04 pm #

          They*

    • Mad not 19 any more - August 28, 2018 at 2:11 pm #

      I think Ace was stronger than current Sanji. Not by much though, i’m pretty sure Sanji would give him a tough time.

      • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 2:47 pm #

        As far as feats are concerned Sanji has been the lamest sh post ts ,yes even lamer than zolo chan …. but I think he’s stronger than people here give him credit for, he has been shown to be on par with oven and daifuku who are at least perospero level , perospero all he did was beat old jaguar mink Pedro whoe’s 77 for fukd sake, perospero he has no great offensive ability and his offensive haki has not been shown to be daifuku level who cud down multiple ships with his slashes or masts at least and Sanji blocked him with his leg nonetheless all Sanji can use is legs ,his other body parts are probably too underdeveloped when it comes to tanking attacks comparatively ofcourse

        • Mad not 19 any more - August 28, 2018 at 5:00 pm #

          Zoro is the goat

          Sanji also dodged Katakuri’s sniper shot which is quite an impressive feat considering the guy uses future sight. Though if Katakuri used his future sight at the time, it’s weird that he didn’t attack to the side that Sanji was supposed to dodge to. I consider Sanji superior to all these guys you mentioned. Don’t forget he attacked Daifuku while the latter was allready in the attack and Sanji even went unnoticed. If anything Sanji has proved his reflexes are top tier level.

          I don’t think his other body parts are underdeveloped or anything. He doesn’t use his hands for fighting because he’s a cook, that’s all there is to it. It’s just his fighting style that makes him seem kind of vulnerable because he doesn’t have a weapon and only uses his legs but i think Oda has tried to make it clear that all fighting styles are equal, otherwise it would be unfair and kinda lame anyway.

          Btw Sanji cracked his leg when he fought Vergo which was a huge letdown considering that his legs are supposed to be monstrously strong yet at the same time he tanked an attack (five colored strings) which fodderized Smoker in an instant.

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 5:18 pm #

          His other body parts are underdeveloped comparative to his legs is what I meant

  24. kizaruuu - August 28, 2018 at 3:08 pm #

    Why do people underestimate Ace ?
    He was the second division commander of the strongest man in OP
    Fought on an equally ground against Blackbeard .. he gave him at least a tough fight
    The same guy who was able to hurt shanks before eating the devil fruit

    Had a bounty over 500 Million as a rookie before he joined the WB pirates

    Possesed a troublesome devil fruit

    Possesed kings haki and according the latest novels also armament and observation haki

    Someone already mentioned it before but he was definitely introduced way to early in the story
    Back then the term haki and such wasn’t even in the conversation

    And people are putting him below Sanji level

    But let’s talk further about this topic… let me know what others think about Aces power level

    • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 4:09 pm #

      I honestly think he’s strong like strong enough to challenge an admiral as he did with aokiji and Vista said it’s only natural ,and like you said he challenged blackbeard and made him go all out,it’s just he died like that so now ppl get to adjust his power levels according to their own biased interpretation as all ppl interpret things dfrntly and some are more single mindedly biased than others… regardless after talkin g to people here for a while one thing I have realised it’s all so pointless , people aren’t gonna accept Ur version of the story over their own , most people dont like being told they could be wrong . It really doesn’t matter tbh

    • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 4:45 pm #

      he only got it because the posiution was open.

      since Bb wanmted to stay low

    • Mad not 19 any more - August 28, 2018 at 5:18 pm #

      It was only stated that Ace put up a good fight against Blackbeard, never that he stood on equal grounds with him. And Blackbeard wasn’t that strong either, he only used his tricky abilities and various situations to get himself an advantage. Don’t forget he was sent flying by Luffy back in Impel Down and was foddered by Magellan. Yeah, you could say he was caught by surprise as people use to say, but for a character like him to assume he was going to Impel Down without any information on the boss would be absurd. Let alone the fact that if his haki was strong enough he would both see Magellan’s attack coming and/or block it using hardening.

      You forgot to mention the most crucial information we got which is that he fought equally with Jinbe. Ace became stronger on the way but so did Jinbe. So Marineford Ace was likely slightly stronger than Marineford Jinbe.

      There is no evidence to suggest that Ace was stronger than Marco and Jozu, not even Vista. He never clashed equally with an Admiral either, that’s like one of the most fallacious statements i’ve seen on this site. He only used fire to melt ice, idk how much could that impress anyone. The real difference between him and Aokiji was later shown when he got annihilated by Akainu, the same guy who Aokiji fought equally with for 10 days.

      • Bob - August 28, 2018 at 5:24 pm #

        Blackbeard is always getting careless and letting powerful attacks hit him, his strength comes from his devil fruit power and that’s about it. he was unbeatable even by the three admirals even before eating whitebeard’s devil fruit.

        in real life fire > ice but in various anime and games fire and ice are seen as conflicting elements that are both strong against each other. this seems to be the case in one piece as well, since there was no mention of ace having a devil fruit advantage against aokiji, he was instead just praised as being the second division commander for being able to overpower aokiji’s attack. if aokiji’s attack was only overpowered because of an elemental advantage by ace, then he would never be able to fight for 10 days against akainu.

        as for akainu, he actually did have a devil fruit advantage against ace as is explicitly stated in the show, which you are conveniently ignoring. he was bested by akainu because of this advantage and later killed protecting luffy, neither of these things say anything about his power compared to aokiji.

    • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 5:31 pm #

      In the ace novel it says he got in the NW with 100 m bounty

    • Sane - August 28, 2018 at 8:18 pm #

      Ace had huge potential. But that he was not there yet. He died before he got to his prime. He was not Smoothie lvl or Jack lvl. But had he been alive for 2 more years he would have no doubt reached Katakuri lvl imo.

      • Sane - August 28, 2018 at 8:19 pm #

        Pre timeskip Ace was slightly stronger than Jimbei.

        • Luffy Sama - August 29, 2018 at 12:15 am #

          YES .Zoro is stronger than akaino.Shanks has time time d.f so he can show up suddenly in marijoa or at thee war .

        • Luffy Sama - August 29, 2018 at 12:17 am #

          He himself told me but its not in the anime or manga so you don`t know about it.

  25. antarus - August 28, 2018 at 4:59 pm #

    never got the Ace hype

    he had a draw with alabasta smoker( cannon ro not?)

    he got beat up by BB

    he beat some fodders

    I really don’t remeber what strong guy he beat to get such hype that they even question today if he is still stronger then luffy

    • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 5:17 pm #

      He did not have a draw, after ace got involved smoker couldt do anything, objective of ace completed ace ddnt come to fight navy but to meet his brother
      Bb said to all his crew they are no match for ace and he was strong enough for the admirals to sweat and try to kill him even if it meant fighting wb himself

      • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 5:31 pm #

        akainu was still going for luffy himself.

        and pre ts crew of BB loooked weak anyway

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 6:11 pm #

          Well your argument about the pre ts bb crew , I don’t think those same guys are too mug stronger even now

        • goldroger - August 28, 2018 at 6:34 pm #

          luffy and shanks also look weak.luffy especially.super weak.

        • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 6:49 pm #

          not saying in terms of looks, but in action they looked weak too. magellan 1 shot almost kld them

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 7:27 pm #

          Magellan one shot bb too, jinbei croco avoided him and even ivankov was beaten rather fast

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 7:28 pm #

          Some df are much more potent than others if one is not careful,

        • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 7:30 pm #

          but they had only fails compared to BB that beat up ace and kld trach, as in 2 commanders of wb

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 7:32 pm #

          So did ivankov

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 7:33 pm #

          If someone like doflakingo fought kaidou and lost and that was only thing he was shown doing in the manga , doesn’t mean he’s weak

        • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 7:46 pm #

          ivankov was said to be on par with kuma, so he has that over them

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 7:58 pm #

          Where was it said ,link pls

        • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 8:38 pm #

          they fought in the war, ivankov implied they were rivals

        • antarus - August 28, 2018 at 9:03 pm #

          idk who has the marineford chapters to give link. said that from memory

        • shadyman - August 28, 2018 at 9:19 pm #

          You know everybody fought everybody during war,,, and even vista implied ace was as strong as aokiji
          But you know what there no point in talking all that crap, fuck this shit, fuck ace, fuck akianu, fuck ivankov fuck that all
          We should just discuss the epicness of the new chapters and the manga rather than involve ourselves into never ending vague subjects,,,,
          Speaking of manga antarus I can tell you have not read kingdom , please try it and thank me later it’s probably the best manga out there right now
          Also have you been watching premier league matches??

        • antarus - August 29, 2018 at 11:25 am #

          ivankov and kuma go way back in the revos, not the same thing, you compare tomatoes with bananas

          the original 2 revs next to dragob since 15 years ago. ivankov said: rem what i used to do to you. yeah rivals

        • shadyman - August 29, 2018 at 11:38 am #

          M not comparing tomatoes to bananas you are and yes a lot of people belonged to revos in the old days not just them two doesn’t mean they are rivals no basis for that, their power levels maybe nearby, but to call them rivals is presumptuous and like tomatoes bananas,
          everything you say has been presumptuous but I get it any topic realt d to admirals and you start getting emotional and since ace is a commander no way can he be strong in Ur bias viewpoint
          And Vista did imply ace was equal to aokiji and by your logic ivankov implied he was equal to kuna , so ace =aokiji and kuna =ivankov based on what people implied